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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#27651: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:31:48 PM

I loved a lot of the Cell moments in this. His speech as Goku charged the Kamehameha was amazing, and I loved how he got so angry at the forfeit that he started calling goku "Kakarot". It makes sense that his angriest cells are Vegeta's.

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#27652: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:33:25 PM

"We here at Team Four Star do not condone child violence. We do, however, find it hilarious."

As a side note, what made me more angry than the episode itself was the reaction of the chat and what TFS said about the topic after the episode ended.

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#27653: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:33:39 PM

More like Dogfighting really.

The original inspiration was Bug Catching and how competitive it gets with who can catch the biggest.

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#27654: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:35:11 PM

[up][up] can you link to what TFS said? I havent' seen that

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#27655: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:35:11 PM

[up][up][up]What did they say?

edited 23rd Jun '17 8:39:40 PM by LSBK

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#27656: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:38:36 PM

[up][up][up] Don't they sometimes also put rhino beetles into a tiny arena and see if they'll fight?

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#27657: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:41:02 PM

The original inspiration was Bug Catching and how competitive it gets with who can catch the biggest.

Oh, I know, hence the Tall Grass being where wild Pokemons roam originally.

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#27658: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:43:32 PM

And the Bug Catching Contest in Gen II.

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#27659: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:49:00 PM

my problem with Goku is he decided to tell Gohan at the last minute that he is going to fight cell. That just does not make any sense at all. We can at least excuse the dumb idea of giving cell a senzu bean to pride and making the fight fair or Goku was that bloody confident in his son, but Gohan should have been in on the plan a lot sooner then just before the fight.

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#27660: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:50:49 PM

And even then, Goku was ultimately wrong about how much power Cell was really holding back, so for all we know that fight could have gone in Cell's favor if it wasn't for Super Saiyan 2 (and the potential rage boost Gohan could have also been getting with that.)

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#27661: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:51:16 PM

That's a problem we all have.

Honestly, the only reason I can come up for that is that Toriyama wanted the Gohan intervention to be a surprise, even though it was already fairly obvious that he was going to do something at that point, and probably not that hard to figure out where things were actually heading. So a writing flub, basically.

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#27662: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:52:17 PM

That just means Goku wasn't strong enough to force more power out of Cell, something that wasn't his fault.

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#27663: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:52:25 PM

Watched the episode. It honestly wasn't that bad and I even chuckled at most of the jokes surrounding Goku sending Gohan to fight.

But the context of it is different from the original for the sake of playing up the bad parts and completely ignores the fact that Gohan already ''knew' he was stronger than Goku, he was just in denial about it.

Also, the Dende jokes need to die. Please stop, they aren't funny. Nice cameo by Videl at the ending there and they're blatantly setting up her attraction to Gohan in the next arc.

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#27664: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:52:47 PM

Could be that Goku didn't realize that Gohan didn't realize how strong he was. To him, Gohan surpassing him was probably the most obvious thing in the world, so of course Gohan would know that he was just as ready as Goku to fight Cell, right?

But the context of it is different from the original for the sake of playing up the bad parts and completely ignores the fact that Gohan already ''knew' he was stronger than Goku, he was just in denial about it.

In this episode, maybe. But there's some stuff in previous episodes that plays up that Gohan is casually on Goku's level, and doesn't quite realize what that means. Like, in the last episode, there was the body-splitting thing where he was able to keep up with the non-divided Cell's movements and was surprised that the others couldn't.

edited 23rd Jun '17 8:55:39 PM by Enlong

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#27665: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:53:42 PM

Here's the Twitch VOD. They start talking again after the episode ends which is around the 45 minute mark. You can also expand the chat to see what they were saying at the time.

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#27666: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:03:31 PM

Dende's voice is back to normal...

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#27667: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:06:31 PM

TFS have been really inconsistent with how they've omitted some canon lines establishing Gohan's strength while adding new ones that support the original. But cutting it here makes the previous lines wasted.

It's going to be pretty hard to go from that scene to 'oh yeah Gohan actually IS stronger than Goku'

[up][up] oh, i thought it would have been a typed response

ehhhh i feel like i'm not going to want to watch it, are you able to summarize?

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#27668: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:12:10 PM

It's going to be pretty hard to go from that scene to 'oh yeah Gohan actually IS stronger than Goku'

Ah, I figure they can swing with the angle of Gohan not thinking that he is that strong, and fighting poorly because of that. But that's me.

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#27669: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:41:34 PM

[up][up] The entire chat just starts chanting "FUCK GOKU" after the episode ends and Kaiser is amused by it.

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#27671: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:56:50 PM

In this episode, maybe. But there's some stuff in previous episodes that plays up that Gohan is casually on Goku's level, and doesn't quite realize what that means. Like, in the last episode, there was the body-splitting thing where he was able to keep up with the non-divided Cell's movements and was surprised that the others couldn't.

And makes that remark about, "Well, then you're going to have a lot of trouble when he starts getting serious."

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#27672: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:07:31 PM

I'll never tire of the announcer referring to Goku as an orange, wife-beating hillbilly.

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#27673: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:25:56 PM

Ah, so continuing the gag with the guy in Not Times Square. That is kinda amusing, actually.

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#27674: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:41:16 PM

Isn't that guy voiced by Grant?

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#27675: Jun 23rd 2017 at 11:42:32 PM

I don't get the people complaining about Dende here. Like, all that happened was that he was unable to see the fight as God, and Popo offered him some dank cush to clear his mind. It was actually kind of a sweet scene, and it called back to Kami and Popo bonding over pot earlier very well.


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