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Cracked up at that, more so with how Goku sees it as just a fight and ultimately won't give Cell what he wants.
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edited 23rd Jun '17 6:05:54 PM by Prime_of_Perfection
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And that can largely be attributed to the way Goku himself grew up, and Gohan's life prior to all of this. Still not an excuse, but context does matter.
Less seriously, yes, the way they're handling Cell and the way he views all of this is entertaining. It's the continuation of him making everything sexual, but now it's less rapey.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:07:12 PM by LSBK
Which boils down to how that meme doesn't make sense, since he was there for most of his son's life, spent an entire year bonding with him in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, supports his son's dreams, and has died twice in order to save Gohan's life. Yes, this clearly makes him a bad parent.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Meanwhile Piccolo abandoned Gohan in the woods for months, beat the shit out of him for several more months, and basically never interacted with him for seven years despite being alive and perfectly able to see him.
WHAT A GREAT DAD.
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He's only a few years older, so...big brother fits him nicely.
Goku never came out and explained to Gohan that he was stronger till 5 seconds beforehand.
It was really selfish to attempt to pull the Unspoken Plan Guarantee.
See, people keep bringing up Piccolo's hypocrisy, but this is what gets me: yes, Piccolo made the same mistake in the past, but it blew up in his face hard. He literally died for it.
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Let's say Bob beats his son. Regularly. Just wails on his kid. He's an awful father and he beats his son. Then, one day, something happens that changes his life. He recognizes he f*cked up. He tries to be a better person.
Then he sees Tom beating his son. Is it hypocritical for Bob, from the position of life lessons gained, to try and convince Tom to stop beating his son? Should he just sit back and let Tom continue beating his son, secure in the knowledge that if you've ever made a mistake then you are forever disallowed from speaking out against other people making the same mistake you did?
Like, that's not how wisdom works. At all. Wisdom is just lessons learned from f*cking up, and the point of wisdom is to pass it along to others so they won't f*ck up like you did. Piccolo f*cked up. Now he sees Goku f*cking up and he calls it out because it's literally the same f*ck-up. The only thing he's wrong about is that when Goku does it, it works, because the narrative likes him more than it does Piccolo.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:24:48 PM by TobiasDrake
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I don't think Piccolo considers what he did a mistake. Like, they all would have died if Gohan wasn't there, and the ones who did die wouldn't have been brought back without him doing what he was doing.
When I mentioned hypocrisy, it wasn't because Piccolo did a shitty thing (though it was, just like Goku springing this on Gohan is) but is ragging on Goku for the same thing, it's that he, more than anyone, should understand where Goku was coming from with this.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:27:07 PM by LSBK
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He doesn't physically get anything...
But he does get pride in his son finally realizing his true strength and taking the mantle.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:24:40 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.TFS is no longer Crossing the Line Twice, they're using the line as a damn jump rope. And it is hilarious.
And Goku isn't a terrible father; he's just a brain damaged Saiyan who didn't quite have a normal childhood doing the best he can with what he got.
Which doesn't exactly work since Gohan prolongs the fight far longer than he should, due to increased sadism, which blows up in everyone's face. Mostly Goku's though, and Kaio-sama, and Bubbles, and Gregory depending on whether or not he exists during a specific point in time.
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I'm not sure if that excludes someone from being a bad father.
If anything, that's a pretty good reason why someone shouldn't be a parent.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:27:28 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Piccolo realized what he did was a mistake during the fight with Nappa. It's why he gives up on trying to persuade Gohan to fight Nappa - an act that does not prevent his decision to bring Gohan to the fight from backfiring so hard that it literally kills Piccolo.
And much like here, Gohan being there at the Saiyan fight does eventually wind up working out, but only for Goku 'cause the narrative loves him. All Piccolo gets out of it is a noble death protecting Gohan from the consequences of bad decision-making.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:28:25 PM by TobiasDrake
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it's not the narrative loving Goku - he got the shit beaten out of him and had to admit defeat. Gohan really did step up, and even held off Vegeta long enough for Goku/Kuririn pull off the spirit bomb.
What Piccolo did was awful, but he was still right about Gohan's importance. What Goku did was nowhere near as bad, and far more necessary.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:33:50 PM by Saiga

There's two things though 1) Gohan was literally the only one strong enough to defeat Cell and 2) TFS went out of their way to omit the scene where Goku admits that he knows Gohan doesn't want to be a fighter, but a scholar.
The problem with the "Goku is a Bad Father" meme, and the way TFS goes about perpetuating the joke, is it ignores the actual context within the series. Goku's faults as a father isn't because he spends all of his free time off planet or training or that he doesn't care about putting his son's in dangerous situations, it's that he treats Gohan (and to a lesser degree Goten much later on) like he has the agency of an adult.
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:03:39 PM by Lionheart0