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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#2701: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:17:57 PM

[up][up]How do you even...
I'm just going to say no, and try to stop there.

edited 12th Jan '13 8:55:52 PM by wanderlustwarrior

ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#2702: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:20:39 PM

I thought they were using the Team Four Star Goku. Someone stupid enough to attack because he thinks a fight would be fun.

Pretty much. Same with Random Guy as Superman. Random Guy Superman would make quips about Goku's hairstyles but comics Superman probably wouldn't be as snarky or dismissive- especially when Goku would be among the strongest people Supes has fought and he keeps randomly spiking up in power.

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#2703: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:34:33 PM

[up][up] A I being called out for a generalisation?

Well, that's the point, I don't really know. I was mostly talking about Death Battle though.

There are no doubt stupidly overpowered characters (like Asura and Team Guren and probably Dante (he doesn't seem to die easily) and a bunch of other shouneny types. But are they ever gonna have a death battle?

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#2704: Jan 12th 2013 at 8:36:58 PM

Probably not. Because they don't get voted for it by the fans of the series.

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#2705: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:14:11 PM

Yeah. Goku going SS 4 was a bit off. However, I'm perfectly fine with the idea that he would be able to go SS 4 in an adult form. It just happens that he never gets his adult body back in GT until the distant distant distant finale.

And it's closer to fully correct than Link vs Cloud, where Link had Ocarina's Golden Gauntlets, and the Lanayru-forged Hylian Shield and the Skyward Strike and Clawshot from Skyward Sword, and the full-health sword beam from neither of those games.

Of course, Goku going SS 4 and all that would be more of an issue if it had led to him wining. In the end, it made him slightly less totally outmatched.

Heck, if they didn't use any filler or GT stuff, Goku wouldn't have been able to get a Senzu Bean with telekinesis, and it'd be over inside 2 minutes.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:14:47 PM by Enlong

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#2706: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:22:24 PM

I'd watched the shorter previews explaining each of the characters, so I'd come to expect the Power Pole to figure into the fight (even though Goku has long since discarded it), but I was taken by surprise when I learned that Goku hath telekinesis.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:22:37 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#2707: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:30:23 PM

It's anime filler, apparently.

Though, I wouldn' put it pas Ki power. We saw TK with Guldo, and I cn imagine hat one could extend he principle of how flight works to to other objects.

That being said, it didn't come up in the manga, apparently.

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#2708: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:32:30 PM

Superman extended that principle literally. "Tactile Telekinesis", it was called, for how he can do things like hold on to a falling plane without punching holes through it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2709: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:34:19 PM

It's not so much the adult form (although that is a problem since they used a Goku that hadn't learned SS4 yet) it's the fact that he could do so without a tail. That's a requirement for SS4 outside of using Blutz Waves.

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#2710: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:44:02 PM

Is it a requirement for using SS 4, or for making the breakthrough into using the form for the first time?

Also, hwo did Goku get his ail back in GT, again?

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#2711: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:45:45 PM

It is. Since Vegeta's lack of a tail prevents him from transforming even after he obtains the form.

And Old Kai made him grind coffee beans until it started growing back, then pulled it longer with a giant pair of pliers.

edited 12th Jan '13 10:46:30 PM by Saiga

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#2712: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:48:30 PM

Old Kai just plain sucked, GT or no.

Is there a general DB thread this could go to yet?

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#2713: Jan 12th 2013 at 10:51:53 PM

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#2714: Jan 12th 2013 at 11:42:53 PM

I'm suspecting the Goku used was some kind of hybrid of everything he's ever been capable of, aka he has his looks from Z, but he can go into SS 4 when he wants to and still uses the Power Pole. Or something like that. I dunno. Considering their calculations, removing SS 4 would make Goku lose worse, so best to take what you can get.

Since it's mentioned here, I see Superman's OOC moment as one of two things: Either he felt that he couldn't dodge the blow and had to face it head-on, or he legitimately had a moment of weakness, where he, even for only a second, allowed himself to go at full power. Either way, I highly doubt that Superman or Goku knew just how devastating that final clash would be.

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#2715: Jan 12th 2013 at 11:49:02 PM

So, it was actually quite a lot like Link. Except that just about all the stuff Goku has he had a one point and either lost or just stopped using of hi own voliion, while Link was put together from various incarnations.

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#2716: Jan 13th 2013 at 9:15:47 AM

Regarding the telekinesis: not just Guldo, don't forget that Chiaotzu had telekinesis as far back as his first appearance in Dragon Ball. He was using it to cheat at the World Martial Arts Tournament.

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#2717: Jan 13th 2013 at 11:50:24 AM

Oh, right, when he shuffled the lots.

Now, while the principle exists, and while Goku has obviously appropriated the Crane style (flight), we haven't seen him use Chiaotzu-style telekinesis outside of filler.

However, the potential does exist.

edited 13th Jan '13 11:51:18 AM by Enlong

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#2718: Jan 13th 2013 at 4:17:54 PM

I think Ginyu also used Telekinesis to carry the Dragon Balls in the manga.

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#2720: Jan 13th 2013 at 7:19:25 PM

I like that Goku is using his staff, it is so overlooked after DB but this shows how useful it could have been...

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2721: Jan 13th 2013 at 7:21:07 PM

It was only useful because they completely misinterpreted Superman's "weakness" to magic.

And we know exactly what happened to it. It connected the Heavenly Realm to Earth so that they could come and go freely to God's sanctuary.

edited 13th Jan '13 7:21:50 PM by Saiga

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#2722: Jan 13th 2013 at 7:25:46 PM

No, they actually got his "weakness" right on: He doesn't have any additional defense against magic. Hitting Superman with the Power Pole is exactly like hitting a normal guy with the Power Pole.

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#2723: Jan 13th 2013 at 7:26:54 PM

No it's not. It's exactly like hitting him with a regular object, because the nyoi-bo's magical properties have nothing to do with dealing damage.

A sword enchanted to cut anything can cut Superman, but a sword enchanted to sparkle faintly won't do shit just because it's magic.

edited 13th Jan '13 7:28:19 PM by Saiga

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#2724: Jan 13th 2013 at 7:32:25 PM

I'd imagine getting whacked with a pole would still hurt though.

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#2725: Jan 13th 2013 at 7:33:11 PM

I dunno, this is Superman we're talking about.


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