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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26976: May 15th 2017 at 4:48:14 AM

Bardock Did Nothing Wrong.

That is the official position now, right?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26978: May 15th 2017 at 5:15:55 AM

Tsunayoshi Sawada has invented his own moves as well, however only a few of them are things he thought of if that's your main point of concern.

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#26979: May 15th 2017 at 5:18:28 AM

Inventing moves is overrated. I'm way more impressed with people who refine things and adapt it to suit them.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#26980: May 15th 2017 at 6:05:21 AM

Bardock being retconned into a good guy is one of the most irritating things to come out of Dragon Ball.

Bardock is good. Gine is good. Goku is good. Gohan is good. Goten is good. Pan is good.

But Raditz is still evil, because fuck him.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#26981: May 15th 2017 at 6:39:16 AM

Just watch, Raditz is gonna be the ultimate evil.

The legend has returned.
Cross (Don’t ask)
#26982: May 15th 2017 at 6:47:14 AM

That would require someone to care about him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26983: May 15th 2017 at 6:49:02 AM

I refuse to believe that the Konoha prostitutes didn't come up with it first.

If it means I no longer have to give any credit to Naruto for anything, I'm ok with that.

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#26984: May 15th 2017 at 7:20:11 AM

...The idea of Konoha prostitutes taking in Naruto because nobody else will is really cute actually.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#26985: May 15th 2017 at 8:25:18 AM

I mean, Bardock and Gine were good parents, but they still fully went along with the Saiyan business of complete genocide and planet broking, so they weren't exactly good beyond caring for their own kind.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#26986: May 15th 2017 at 8:44:05 AM

[up][up]What.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#26987: May 15th 2017 at 8:47:23 AM

Yeah, that actually sounds like a decent idea for a fanfiction.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#26989: May 15th 2017 at 3:04:43 PM

Yeah, I guess that...is a thing.

It works.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#26990: May 15th 2017 at 4:41:19 PM

But Raditz is still evil, because fuck him.

See, that just adds more fuel to my fire about it being unfair that Raditz and Nappa are totally written off as irredeemable evils that can rot in Hell forever but Vegeta, a rotten bastard even by Saiyan standards, gets to do a Heel–Face Turn and live happily ever after.

Like, this isn't even unique to the Saiyans. It's usually the main villain in a given story who gets to do an about face. His minions? F*ck 'em. Like, Piccolo's life is changed forever by the love of someone else's kid, but Cymbal, Tambourine, and Drum? Rot in Hell, you irredeemable bastards!

edited 15th May '17 4:43:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#26991: May 15th 2017 at 4:45:56 PM

Technically, Piccolo isn't even remotely close to being his father now, due to the whole fusion with Kami thing returning them to the original Nameless Namekian. Plus, it's not like they're even suffering that much since a) they're just clouds in Hell at this point, and b) probably enough time has past that they've reincarnated into new entities, so the individuals known as "Raditz" and "Nappa" probably don't even exist anymore.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#26992: May 15th 2017 at 4:50:05 PM

[up][up]Dude bro, they died...and so did King Piccoro.

Piccoro Jr. got to live on.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#26993: May 15th 2017 at 4:51:19 PM

Freeza died just one or two years after Nappa, and he's still just sitting around in Hell, apparently.

edited 15th May '17 4:52:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#26994: May 15th 2017 at 4:55:12 PM

Frieza is has also been alive doing evil shit decades longer than the rest of the Saiyans that were alive at that point, so he probably has more to work off, and possibly more now due to that little stunt back on Earth when he was revived.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#26995: May 15th 2017 at 4:55:37 PM

Didn't he get revived or something again?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26997: May 15th 2017 at 5:03:49 PM

I mean, at least with Vegeta, sparing him wasn't about any possible redemption or whatever: it was about giving Goku another crack at him. Things just happened to work out from there that for the most part he was better as a begrudging ally than any enemy, and over time he became a half-way decent person, but no one was really expecting that.

Plus, Goku gave Raditz a chance and he spit in his face, and while Vegeta killing Nappa was a dick move, I don't really see why the good guys should revive under him not getting a shot to turn good or whatever.

edited 15th May '17 5:21:23 PM by LSBK

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#26998: May 15th 2017 at 5:18:46 PM

It's more of a Doylist issue than a Watsonian one. It's not uncommon for things to work out in such a fashion that:

  • Minion A: Dead, f*ck 'em.
  • Minion B: Dead, f*ck 'em.
  • The Dragon, bitter rival to the hero: Dead, f*ck 'em.
  • The Ultimate Evil, Satan's Arbiter, Father of All that is Unholy: Lived happily ever after! Yaaay!

Lesser villains die because they aren't tough enough to survive fighting the hero or are outright killed off by the Big Bad to show off how awful he is and how much he needs to be killed, while the main villain is too formidable to be taken down so easily, so he lives long enough to turn his life around, get a happy ending, and never pay for his crimes.

The villain is so much more evil than the others on his side that it somehow wraps around and makes him good.

At least the Majin Buu that got redeemed was the most innocent version of him. If he'd followed suit from Piccolo and Vegeta, Pure Buu would have annihilated Mr. Buu, killed Mr. Satan, and then had a sudden life-changing revelation and become a hero.

edited 15th May '17 5:24:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#26999: May 15th 2017 at 5:34:12 PM

What I've seen is that in a lot of cases the main villain is working for some sort of high-minded ideal, while the minions are just assumed to like hurting people. Thus the Big Bad gets redeemed because they're actually redeemable. Obviously doesn't really apply to Dragon Ball, though

Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Where force fails, cunning prevails
#27000: May 15th 2017 at 5:34:45 PM

Name every villain who fits those criteria of redeemed Big Bad that happened with in Dragonball and Z.

Since Vegeta already touched on and Piccolo Jr. is a different entity. 17 and 18 didn't have minions nor were they the top of their arc given Cell.

Tien is all that comes to mind and his situation is very different, plus I'd argue he wasn't the Big Bad, just The Dragon to his master. Finally, his own redemption came from Roshi stuff and fact he won. And it was just a tournament as opposed to an evil villain.

Regardless, I don't think this trend is as common as you're making it sound. There are redeemed villains, just not this very specific criteria.

edited 15th May '17 5:36:05 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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