A guidebook for a manga and a guidebook for a game are two completely different things. Games are, very often, corporation products. They are created and written by a variety of different people, which means each new game in a series needs to look back into what have already been written, as no single person involved actually knows everything about it. Manga, meanwhile, is a much more personal affair. More often than not, a single person is responsible for every creative decision and have have final word on everything.
That is why I don't trust manga guidebooks unless they are explicitly backed by Word of God. The author usually don't write them, and they don't consult or care for them. Call it "tier 2 canon" if you will, but I see no value on considering anything other than tier 1 canon when we are discussing tier 1 canon. If the only information about who created the janken was on a guidebook, I wouldn't give a shit about that information, because I am reasonably sure Toriyama didn't either and because I know that this would be instantly ignored the next time a new movie, game or whatever decided to explore that idea.
I believe that is where the "unless explicitly contradicted by the source material or Word of God" part comes in. Toriyama at least, strikes me as the type to go Shrug of God, than to actively deny or contradict something like that latter.
edited 14th May '17 10:30:51 AM by LSBK
But that is the point. He doesn't care, so why should we? Why should we care about what is essentially fan-fiction. It is like the powerlevels these guides often have. They are meaningless but people attribute a lot of significance to them.
Also "not contradict the source material" is a tricky thing. What if it contradicts my interpretation of the source material? If my interpretation fits perfectly the manga, but it is contradicted by some random guide, why should I care? Why should I take that interpretation as more valid? Just because they were paid by Shueisha? Toriyama won't care either way. Probably not even whoever is writing the next anime/movie/game will.
edited 14th May '17 2:00:19 PM by Heatth
Courtesy of said subtitles, I finally got the joke when Cell fires the Makankosappo. I could never make out what the fourth Cell was saying. It sounded like "Adon" so I thought it might be some other anime joke. Like maybe something out of Naruto.
I have hearing troubles sometimes.
No, the gag is that the Cells got confused as to whether they're supposed to be using English or Japanese names for the attack.
- Cell 1: MA
- Cell 2: KANKO
- Cell 3: SA
- Cell 4: CANNON
I dunno about Shonen heroes not inventing moves...
- Naruto invented the advanced Rasengan variants, the Sexy Jutsu (don't tell me that wasn't important in the last arc), and various clone combos
- Ichigo decidedly didn't learn the Shikai moves used by "Hollow" Ichigo, and instead worked on his own variants of his beam spam
- Luffy took inspiration of the Gears from others, but much of his fighting style is his own
- While Edward Elric mixes alchemy with hand-to-hand like Alphonse and Izumi, he goes his own way about both of those things
- Light Yagami made a point of using the Death Note in new and unexpected ways that surprised Ryuk
Since I'm a jerk, I don't count variants of moves someone else taught him.
I can't, but I hated that last arc, and everything in it, including that he used the Sexy Jutsu during that battle, and that it worked. That being said, I mentioned that the sexy jutsu is original, so I'll count that.
Don't count those for the same reason as the Rasengan variants. This is just my own personal opinion though.
See, I'll give you Luffy. Before he was inspired by the Rokushiki technique to invent the gears, all of his moves were completely original flavour. I guess he's one of the few who actually doesn't steal from someone else. Not bad for a rubber man.
One Strip! One Strip!That makes sense. After all, they are also ninjas. That's why they're called ninja prostitutes.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!There would be no ninja prostitutes in Light's New World and therefore I can now understand why people think he's evil.
Did Kenshin ever invent anything? That's kind of an odd thing to think about. He's one of the most competent and intelligent shounen heroes around but it's because he is actually well-trained. He is a great warrior because he is a great student.
Inuyasha just killed shit and got powerups thanks to that. But Kagome was the real hero anyway and she...mostly just shot arrows. Hm. Combat was not IY's strong point.
edited 15th May '17 3:14:34 AM by Nikkolas
A walking god complex who decided to kill anyone he deemed unworthy of living is repulsive, no matter how noble his intentions may be (and seeing he decided to become the god of his new world at the very beggining, those intentions weren't really noble to begin with).
Seriously, what's next, Freeza in Leather Pants?
edited 15th May '17 4:19:57 AM by Eriorguez
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Yeah I meant that Kenshin.
I wasn't being serious. Sorry, thought that was clearer. I'm more sympathetic to Light than a lot of people but he is obviously evil. I think every Light fan agrees with that. They just support him anyway for a variety of reasons, some believing a bad person can be a good king and similar mentalities.

Guidebooks, from every other example of them I've ever seen, could be classified as a sort of Tier 2 canon, if you will. Tier 1 is anything stated or displayed in the source material and anything said by the creator. Tier 2 is the guidebooks where we can assume all information is accurate provided it doesn't contradict the source material. And sometimes even if it does if it's backed by Word of God.
Besides, guidebooks are incredibly common with Japanese media and they're always a source of valuable information. Even The Legend of Zelda got a guidebook a while ago in the form of Hyrule Historia and everyone treats everything in it (except possibly the manga) as canon.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!