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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#26926: May 13th 2017 at 7:16:35 PM

Didn't Gohan learn the Masenko from Piccolo?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#26927: May 13th 2017 at 7:16:52 PM

Dragon Fist? I'm counting Dragon Fist.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#26928: May 13th 2017 at 7:17:54 PM

Yamcha also has the Sokidan, and he came up with that on his own; and IIRC the Masenko is somewhat of a Piccolo invention, but, then again, Piccolo even has his own flying technique.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26929: May 13th 2017 at 7:18:01 PM

[up]X5 and 6 This. I don't mind people enjoying it more, somethings are better when you can't take them seriously after all. But all of the "they made everything so much better or make so much more sense", is so irritating.

edited 13th May '17 7:19:08 PM by LSBK

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#26930: May 13th 2017 at 7:19:55 PM

Does the Instant Transmission count? I guess not, since he learned it from the Yradratii. Does transforming into a Super Saiyan count? He did that all on his own.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26931: May 13th 2017 at 7:20:03 PM

We don't really know where a lot of techniqued come from, especially ones from a character's backstory.

Apparently the Masenko was taught to Gohan by Piccolo, which makes sense.

I don't think Toriyama's a big fan of esoteric techniques. When asked what kind of new technique he'd give to Goku if he could, be said if he had wanted to give him another technique he would have done it writing the manga.

And the techniques debuted by side characters tend to be one-offs that don't recur, despite them gaining a reputation as being their signature moves. The Kienzan is one of the only exceptions to this.

Edit: and if you count originally unnamed, one off moves like video game dubbed "Burning Attack" then you may as well count any non-Kamehameha blast Goku uses as a distinct attack he invented.

edited 13th May '17 7:22:06 PM by Saiga

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#26932: May 13th 2017 at 7:26:15 PM

Goku totally created that Rock, Paper, Scissors attack in Dragon Ball. tongue

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I'm just happy Super finally gave Trunks a new cooler attack that can be his Ultimate going forward in video games.

edited 13th May '17 7:27:22 PM by Lionheart0

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#26933: May 13th 2017 at 7:28:03 PM

It's the only DBZ to me because this is the only iteration I ever watched, which isn't unusual for me.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26934: May 13th 2017 at 7:29:26 PM

[up][up] falls under backstory techniques of unknown origin.

Guidebooks say Gohan taught it to him.

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#26935: May 13th 2017 at 7:43:07 PM

I mean, Trunks actually did have a lot of original moves in the original series, it's just that he's the only character who never really bothered to name anything he did. Then Super comes along, and he pretty much defaults to his father's Galick Gun and Final Flash.

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#26936: May 13th 2017 at 7:45:10 PM

[up] I never got the purpose of Trunks flailing his arms like Kermit the Frog just to fire a single Ki Blast.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26937: May 13th 2017 at 7:49:36 PM

Theatrics.

Clearly, Batman Begins existed in his timeline.

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I don't think Toriyama's a big fan of esoteric techniques. When asked what kind of new technique he'd give to Goku if he could, be said if he had wanted to give him another technique he would have done it writing the manga.

I can buy that, considering how often super fancy techniques turn out to be utterly useless or one offs. Goku's best techniques seems to be the simplest ones like the Kamehameha and the like.

Other stuff tend to have very huge drawbacks (like the Kaioken).

edited 13th May '17 7:51:28 PM by HandsomeRob

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#26938: May 13th 2017 at 7:59:37 PM

It'd be comparable to the really shitty dubs of old that butchered the plot, added a bunch of jokes, cut things out, edited footage and completely changed characterizations.

Nothing wrong with that. There's been dubs people like better because of that kind of thing, and it's not like DBZA replaces the funimation dub or anything. It still exists if you like accuracy to the source material better.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26939: May 13th 2017 at 8:01:45 PM

Usually when people like things like that though it's either because of nostalgia or the So Bad, It's Good factor. Which isn't necessarily bad, but it's not usually the context in which I see DBZA being praised.

edited 13th May '17 8:02:06 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#26940: May 13th 2017 at 9:04:39 PM

All Ki Blast used by Karrot in the games are just variations of the Kamehameha....

And the Spirit Bomb.

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#26941: May 13th 2017 at 9:43:32 PM

Skipped some pages. Was anyone else underwhelmed by the latest episode?

Also, I did a quick wiki walk on the wiki for the canon Dragon Ball series. So apparently Ultimate Gohan's back and both he and Piccolo are not in Can't Catch Up territory? And there's a tournament with 10 fighters from each universe in the multiverse, and they brought Roshi and Frieza but not Yamcha or even Cell? Japan's gonna Japan, I guess.

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#26943: May 13th 2017 at 9:44:44 PM

I liked the episode well enough, but was surprised that they decided to stretch out Goku's fight with Cell over two episodes.

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#26944: May 13th 2017 at 10:32:44 PM

I think it's not actually uncommon for the main character of a shonen to be a move thief. Because he's the main character and we follow his journey, we get introduced to moves in one of two ways: either he's learning a new move, or someone shows up and is like, "Check out this cool move I have."

And if he's learning a move, he's usually learning it from someone or somewhere so that learning how it works can be part of the hero's journey.

Other characters benefit from the fact that they spend a lot of time offscreen, so they can just show up and be like, "Check this shit out, I just invented a killer new attack!" without us having to sit there and watch them spend several weeks puzzling out the metaphysics of how to make it function.

The hero needs to grow both quickly and interestingly, so that means he often just learns shit that's already developed and adds it to his repertoire. His thing is usually being some kind of general purpose combat master who excels at versatility, knows all the things, can read other people's styles easily, understands how moves work after seeing them in action a couple times and can then devise counters on the fly, etc. etc.

edited 13th May '17 10:33:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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#26945: May 14th 2017 at 4:12:23 AM

To be fair, Goku's about to invent a new move just for Cell.

Granted, it's merely the combination of Instant Transmission and the Kamehameha, but it's the thought that counts.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26946: May 14th 2017 at 4:16:21 AM

If that counts, so do the Super Kamehameha, Feet Kamehameha, Continuous Kamehameha and Feint Kamehameha.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#26947: May 14th 2017 at 5:07:08 AM

I think the Feet Kamehameha should count.

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#26948: May 14th 2017 at 5:19:57 AM

falls under backstory techniques of unknown origin.

Guidebooks say Gohan taught it to him.

Actually, no. In the manga it is explicit that Gohan thought him. That is how MutenroshiJackie Chun was able to counter it perfectly in the first tournament.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26949: May 14th 2017 at 5:27:01 AM

You're right, he calls it his grandpa's secret move. Which obviously means that he saw it, and learnt it, from Gohan which is what the guidebooks go on to say outright.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#26950: May 14th 2017 at 5:37:01 AM

I mean, to be fair, trusting guidebooks is a crapshot. As far I know, they aren't usually written by the author and can often contain incorrect information. Though, obviously, no in this case.


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