Oooo
x10 Oozaru Kaioken would be equivalent to Super Saiyan 2.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It's entirely because Toriyama didn't want to draw the tails anymore. He's just completely thrown them out. I mean, even the universe 6 saiyans conveniently lack them.
One Strip! One Strip!Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Tailless Oozaru Kaioken x10... Am I missing anything?
As for how you get a tailless oozaru... magic wish-granting dragons.
edited 3rd May '17 3:41:23 PM by WillDeRegio
I have a sneaking suspicion that if you tried to use Kaiouken as an Oozaru you would just explode.
My various fanfics.That had long been my suspicion on why Goku never used it as a Super Saiyan, that one filler arc excepted.
Super confirmed it.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.How about "It's brain damage and also he was raised from infancy by an old man kind and noble enough to take in a rampaging murderbaby"?
Gine, like Broly, is trying to plug a hole that doesn't actually exist. She's a nature explanation for something we already have a perfectly good nurture for.
edited 3rd May '17 9:57:12 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Well, nurture is all well and good, but would Grandpa Gohan's good nature be able to overwrite generations of breeding towards making freaking babies into horrible murder monsters that only get worse as they age? Babies are sent to planets to wipe them out. The given idea is that if you send a saiyan to a planet as an infant, they will just naturally gravitate toward killing everything. That's some pretty potent nature.
edited 4th May '17 5:15:50 AM by Zeromaeus
A flashback shows that God offered to permanently remove Goku's tail, so that was the original explanation for his not coming back. Later Toriyama explained that when you get as powerful as Goku/Vegeta the tails just become a hindrance and stop growing back.
It's not Goten/Trunks who contradicted the idea of age being a factor, considering that Gohan stopped growing his tail back after the second time he lost it at five.
And yet, Vegeta, who is an evil bastard even by Saiyan standards, could be redeemed even in his adulthood. I don't think Saiyan babies should be seen as harder to redeem than that.
edited 4th May '17 5:15:56 AM by Saiga
How exactly do they become a hinderance? This is just my own bias (I think there was still a lot to explore with the tails, especially in combination with Super Saiyan, so I hate that he just got rid of them), but I'd like to at least her his in universe logic for it, since I know his real world logic.
One Strip! One Strip!That's where the brain damage comes in.
- Falling down a cliff and smashing his head on a rock made Kakarot forget how to be a Saiyan.
- Being raised by Gohan taught Kakarot how to be Goku.

Okay, but what if you could use Kaioken as a Great Ape?
Also, the Namekians are nice, mostly. If the Saiyans crash landed on Namek and didn't have anywhere else to go, I feel like the Namekians would probably give them their arms.