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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26551: Apr 29th 2017 at 7:37:13 PM

17 straight up said he was the strongest thing on the planet when 16 (the only one who could sense energy) said he could feel someone equal to 17 in strength.

16 was the only one aware the true strength rankings between the three.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#26552: Apr 29th 2017 at 7:54:57 PM

Part of the deal with Tien is he consistently remembers that Death Is Cheap in their world, so the only times he's actually freaked out by danger are when the Dragon Balls are taken out of play.

I love that moment when Gohan mentions that, for a little while now, they've been living in a world without Dragon Balls, and Tien goes, "Holy shit."

edited 29th Apr '17 7:57:28 PM by RavenWilder

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26553: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:02:23 PM

He can't be revived with Earth's Dragon Balls anyway, though. Most of them can't by that stage.

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#26554: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:05:56 PM

How can't he? He was revived by the Namek Balls.

He hadn't been revived by the Earth balls.

He still hasn't.

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#26555: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:06:42 PM

Randomness is right. Ten has never been revived by Shenron. Only Krillin, Goku, Chaozu, Roshi, Future Trunks, and Vegeta have. Well, them and probably about half of the Earth's population. And all of the Namekians other than Piccolo, obviously.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:08:41 PM by Zelenal

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#26556: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:07:44 PM

It's the flaw in the "no safety net" gags that appear a couple times: most of the people reacting to the absence of Dragon Balls have already used up their Get Out Of Jail Free Card. Especially Krillin.

The jokes about that, on the other hand, are great.

  • Krillin: You mean when you....
  • Chiaotzu: DIED, yes! It's not that big a deal; we've literally all done it!
  • Chi-Chi: Well, I haven't.
  • Chiaotzu: Give it some time. You're hanging with the right crowd!

...then comes the Buu arc....

Although telling someone that death is sure to happen if they wait long enough is a bit of a tautology.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:09:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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#26557: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:13:23 PM

If only they had the Namek balls.

Then the joke would make more work.

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#26558: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:33:01 PM

How can't he? He was revived by the Namek Balls. He hadn't been revived by the Earth balls. He still hasn't.

Oh wow. I'd forgotten about that. Come to think of it, it was the same with Piccolo in Super.

Randomness is right. Ten has never been revived by Shenron. Only Krillin, Goku, Chaozu, Roshi, Future Trunks, and Vegeta have.

Huh. Tien and Yamcha still have one free Shen long revival. That's so easy to forget. Even in the Buu saga, they were brought back by Porunga.

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#26559: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:44:15 PM

One of these days, a plan is going to hinge on using Namek's Dragon Balls and then everyone's going to be f*cked 'cause Moori really wanted that plasma TV or something so now they're in cooldown.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:44:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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#26560: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:44:29 PM

[up][up][up][up]Unless you tell it to Garlic Jr., or Zamasu.

Not to be a party pooper, but that's not a tautology, that's just stating the obvious.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:45:57 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#26561: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:46:32 PM

Seriously, the Earthlings are so lucky that Namekians are such a conveniently simple people. All they want is to be left alone to farm their crops, drink their water, and never use their Dragon Balls.

[up] It's a statement that is necessarily true and thus provides no useful information.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:47:22 PM by TobiasDrake

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#26562: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:53:46 PM

tautology noun a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form.

The statement "You will eventually die" is tautological.

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#26563: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:54:32 PM

Continuing to poop parties:

[up][up]"It's a statement that is necessarily true and thus provides no useful information." No, those to things do not logically follow. True statements can still provide useful information.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:54:55 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#26564: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:55:25 PM

True statements can provide useful information. Necessarily true statements do not. For instance, describing a brick's color as "brickish".

A tautology is basically a Mathematician's Answer without a question.

edited 29th Apr '17 8:56:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26565: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:17:16 PM

....Saiga was wrong. The time of my vengeance has finally come.

Gohan says himself, that only Trunks could be wished back on the Earth's Dragon Balls (when the Cell Juniors attack the group). Despite the original description of the Dragon Balls (that being the vague "these can't grant the same wish twice") in actuality they just can't revive anyone who has been revived before, even if not done by Shenron in particular.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26566: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:21:07 PM

...

Wait? What?

But Piccolo died and was revived in Super because they'd never used the Earth Dragonballs to revive him (on account of his connection to Kami meaning if he died, they would fade away with him).

If that's the case, then Super Piccolo should still be dead.

Man. What's with all these crazy new rules. I was getting ready to commit some delicious vengeance.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26567: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:23:55 PM

Even Super manages to get this right (shocking, I know): they make an off-hand comment about going to Planet Namek to wish Piccolo back.

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#26568: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:25:13 PM

Looks like Gohan just was ignorant.

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#26570: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:30:24 PM

I don't think so because "can't grant the same wish twice" doesn't actually work.

"Bring back the people killed by Piccolo Daimao" and "bring back the people killed by Cell" are not the same wish. But individuals revived in the first wish will be excluded from the second wish.

That's not a dumb retcon, it's the only way to exclude double resurrections.

edited 29th Apr '17 9:31:43 PM by Saiga

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#26571: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:39:05 PM

So wait, is the population of Earth actually still down then, since people killed by Cell weren't brought back if they were killed by King Piccolo?

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#26572: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:41:06 PM

A tautological statement is necessarily true by its own internal logic devoid of all outside context, like a stable-but-pointless loop. It's a type of Circular Reasoning.

"Everyone dies eventually" is an obvious fact to us mortality-accepting humans, but it's not a tautology since it hinges on external logic not discernible through the statement itself, such as "the human body cannot maintain metabolic functions indefinitely according to current science" or "the universe itself will be unable to sustain life indefinitely".

edited 29th Apr '17 9:48:53 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#26573: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:50:34 PM

[up][up] Well, we don't know if any of Cell's victims were previously revived or not. But if so, then logically they would be left out.

Also of note, Porunga is only able to revive Kuririn because the Namekian Dragon Balls specifically lack that restriction. Even though it would have been otherwise the first time Porunga would revive him. So the characters have always operated under the assumption that switching balls doesn't allow you to cheat that rule.

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#26574: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:55:12 PM

[up] That. Porunga's limitation is that he can't do mass revivals - although Moori somehow manages to weasel that out of him by the Buu arc.

IIRC, wasn't there something about Dende being able to take out the one-revival limitation in Earth's balls but he wound up not doing it because they asked for two wishes instead, and he could only do one or the other?

edited 29th Apr '17 9:55:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26575: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:57:31 PM

Mass revivals take up two wishes leaving one, otherwise Dende's Shenron can grant three wishes. Or at least, that's what I learned in the main thread.

edited 29th Apr '17 10:05:05 PM by LSBK


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