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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#26301: Apr 13th 2017 at 6:42:30 PM

Majin Buu: Each turn this monster is on the field, you may force one other monster card on the field into defense mode. The affected card will not be able to leave defense mode or use its special effect for as long as it remains on the field.

If this card defeats another monster, instead of sending it to the graveyard, equip it to this card. Add the ATK of all equipped cards to this card's ATK. Add the DEF of all equipped cards to this card's DEF.

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#26302: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:21:37 PM

That's a bit like the effect of Relinquished, except that Relinquished can steal a monster without fighting it, can only hold one at a time, and used its captured monster as a human shield for battle damage.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26303: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:24:16 PM

Majin Buu is basically a combo of The Tyrant Neptune and The Grand Jupiter, but better.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26304: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:26:02 PM

It would be very hard to make a Majin Boo card that isn't completely broken.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#26305: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:27:52 PM

Sweet Tooth: If any candy is on the field you must attack that.

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#26306: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:30:33 PM

Beerus would have insane ATK and DEF and an ability to destroy any monster once per turn, with another ability that keeps those monsters in the graveyard permanently.

Actually, that would be a REALLY good way of heightening the tension of Battle Of Gods: establish that if Beerus kills you, you're erased from existence forever and cannot be revived, as opposed to establishing that little tidbit way later in the series.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#26307: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:34:04 PM

Yamcha (Filler): If summoned after the defeat of a "Villain" type monster (Ginyu Force, Frieza, Cell), he's now be explicitly stronger than them for no reason.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#26308: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:34:37 PM

Anything Beerus destroys is banished/removed from play?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26309: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:36:52 PM

Just having Beerus straight up exile/send to the graveyard would be better mechanically, because it gets around card effects that prevent destruction or benefit from being destroyed.

Of course, the God of Destruction not actually destroying things is weird but hey, there is always going to be Gameplay and Story Segregation.

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#26310: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:36:53 PM

There's a lot of cards that can bring back banished cards nowadays.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26311: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:45:09 PM

[up][up][up][up]It's not like that only happened with Yamcha.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26312: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:53:38 PM

[up][up] It's still much better as a removal tool than destruction, and harder to come back from than sending to the graveyard (either directly or through destruction).

Beerus having a Necrovalley style effect would also work, but it would only be active while he's on the field.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26313: Apr 13th 2017 at 7:55:50 PM

Beerus would have ???? ATK and DEF, and the ability to remove any card from play once per turn.

If they were a monster type, Kai/Hakai would all have ???? stats (and thus win any fight), with an effect that their stats are given solid, defeatable numbers only when in battle with another Kai/Hakai type monster. In a reference to his being built to take on the Supreme Kai, Buu would be an exception.

edited 13th Apr '17 7:56:55 PM by KnownUnknown

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26314: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:03:57 PM

That doesn't make sense, as several mortals can beat up Kaioshin.

Beerus is also just really strong, he doesn't have any such ability to be stronger than anyone else - except in a meta sense. I know Battle of Gods lead some people to believe such a power was in effect, but Resurrection F showed that Freeza can reach that 'tier' without any kind of godly power.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#26315: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:11:23 PM

People conflate godly ki with massive power. Which I get, but is still wrong.

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#26316: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:14:49 PM

Yamcha: The Desert Bandit (Classic Edition)

If a Japanese copy of Harpy Lady is on the field, remove Yamcha from play.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#26317: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:18:04 PM

To be fair to our Kaioushin, he was the fourth strongest being in Universe 7 for a very long time and no mortal ever became stronger than him until the end of the Cell Saga. Even after that, only three non-fused mortals were stronger than him.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#26318: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:28:20 PM

[up]So are the Cell Saga and Cell Games saga different sagas? And does Cell count as a mortal?

edited 13th Apr '17 8:31:09 PM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#26319: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:33:10 PM

I mean, Golden Frieza did have the same wavy aura that Goku had as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, just gold instead of blue.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26320: Apr 13th 2017 at 8:38:24 PM

[up][up][up][up] ehhh you're making a lot of assumptions there. Stronger than Boo arc Piccolo doesn't necessarily mean stronger than the Cell arc Super Saiyans, given how much stronger the Boo arc Super Saiyan were than Piccolo without making huge improvements.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#26321: Apr 13th 2017 at 9:01:52 PM

[up][up][up] Personally, I consider DBZ to have four sagas: Saiyan, Namek, Android/Cell, and Boo.

[up] I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. By the end of the manga, the only non-fused mortals who we know are stronger than the Kaioushin are Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan. Goten and Trunks may be stronger than him but we have no way of knowing since their power compared to Piccolo's is kinda vague.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26322: Apr 13th 2017 at 9:19:47 PM

This:

To be fair to our Kaioushin, he was the fourth strongest being in Universe 7 for a very long time and no mortal ever became stronger than him until the end of the Cell Saga. Even after that, only three non-fused mortals were stronger than him.

During the Cell Saga, we have Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks, Cell and seven Cell Juniors who are all potentially stronger than him before the arc is finished.

I wasn't including Goten and Trunks, because Daizenshuu 7 aside (which states that Goten's power equals Gohan's, but nearly no-one accepts that) they aren't really directly compared.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26323: Apr 14th 2017 at 12:07:40 AM

That doesn't make sense, as several mortals can beat up Kaioshin.

It's in the interest of making the idea work mechanically, which is a basic problem with this sort of thing. You could scrutinize basically all of the suggestions made as part of this joking conversation over the last few days and none of them would match up exactly with the source material.

As far as I'm aware, no one was intending to.

edited 14th Apr '17 12:09:28 AM by KnownUnknown

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26324: Apr 14th 2017 at 12:27:12 AM

But there's literally no basis for it. It doesn't fit the rules of the game or anything out of the story.

May as well make Tenshinhan's effect order the player a cheeseburger.


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