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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2576: Jan 5th 2013 at 11:59:34 PM

Not that he isn't powerful before eating fruit. Just not to that degree. Also I noticed he ate more fruit right before Goku killed him with a fruit-flavored Spirit Bomb. I wonder how powerful he was then...

And haha, Nappa with a mohawk would look funny.

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#2577: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:00:10 AM

I recall Goku going x20 in Tree Of Might. It has been years though...

edited 6th Jan '13 12:00:36 AM by Spirit

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#2578: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:05:33 AM

Reminds me of something Nappa said in Budokai Tenkaichi 3: "Hey, uh...you think if I went Super Saiyan, my goatee would grow?"

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2579: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:11:41 AM

Well I could be wrong but no-one else making the BP lists on Kanzenshuu noticed the KK20 and I don't think they'd make that mistake.

I should just rewatch the movie. But where did I put it...

[up][up][up] Without the fruit, he should be somewhere above 30,000 (60,000 if he beat up KK20 Goku post-fruit)

edited 6th Jan '13 12:12:40 AM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2580: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:15:36 AM

Out of all the movie villains my favorites are probably Turles and Android 13. Janemba and Meta-Cooler are pretty cool though.

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#2582: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:20:06 AM

I'd say Cooler but I've admittedly never actually watched his movie. Or any Dragon Ball Z movie. Or anything related to Dragon Ball Z for that matter aside from Dragon Ball Abridged and some video games.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2583: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:27:31 AM

Turles we established as being around 300,000 - 600,000 post fruit...

Lord Slug is probably quite a bit weaker, assuming it too takes place before the Namek arc. I don't know what kind of number to label him with.

Cooler's final form is 470,000,000 officially, though that seems a little bit high in my opinion.

An individual Meta-Cooler is able to go toe-to-toe with SSJ Goku but falls to a team attack from Vegeta's assistance. So I'm guessing a Meta-Cooler is probably about as strong as Android 17 or 18?

Androids 13 14 and 15 seem to be stronger than 19 and 20 but weaker than 17 and 18. Super 13 seems about as strong as Semi-Perfect Cell though, requiring a pseudo-Ascended Super Saiyan effort to be destroyed.

Broly has an established power level of 1.4 billion. I assume he's a little bit stronger in Second Coming due to Zenkai and the fact that he's not obsolete. Not sure to what degree though. Bio-Broly is probably as strong as the first instance of Broly, he just happens to be up against weaker foes like 18, Goten, Trunks, and Krillin.

Bojack at full power is marginally stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

And finally, Super Janemba is probably on par with Super Buu (Gotenks Absorbed).

Oh, and Hirudegarn is pretty weak, he just has teleport spam to dodge everything until the end.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:28:45 AM by Anomalocaris20

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#2584: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:28:48 AM

Cooler's, Broli's, and Gogeta's battle powers are all bullshit and can't fit together. They come from a video game.

I don't think Janemba needs to be on Gotenks-Boo's level. I think he's probably weaker than Evil Boo (Super in the dub).

edited 6th Jan '13 12:30:30 AM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2585: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:29:48 AM

A video game? I heard it was some official magazine or something.

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#2586: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:31:21 AM

Well, a magazine for a video game xD Should've specified. They were knew additions to Budokai 3, and to hype up their inclusion in the game V Jump gave them completely randomly power levels.

Although Broli's is a reprint from an earlier game and it's even more bullshit in that because in that game SS4 Goku is given the same power level.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:32:19 AM by Saiga

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#2587: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:31:26 AM

I'm admittedly not well versed in the canon, but what's wrong with Cooler's level? It was already established that he was much stronger than Frieza. Is it because he lost to Super Saiyan Goku? I thought that by that time Goku had powered up to a level where he could curbstomp the guy who curbstomped Frieza and Cold.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:32:19 AM by CPFMfan

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#2588: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:34:42 AM

It's not that it doesn't work by itself (although it requires you to believe in high scaling post-Freeza arc) but it clashes with Broli's power level in that if Goku gets ~4x stronger from doing next to nothing between Freeza-Cooler then how the shit can he get less than 3x stronger from 3 years of training for the Androids and 1 year in the RoSaT (where he more than doubled his power).

So basically the two (Cooler and Broli) differing power levels contradict each other because the extreme difference in scaling.

Although I wouldn't believe in Cooler's PL anyway (I'm not a high scaler) because Trunks was only about as strong as Goku on Namek and Goku didn't really fight him either so he wouldn't have to be that much stronger than he was on Namek.

Trunks curbstomped Freeza/Cold because he didn't fuck around, not because he was so much stronger than Goku or anything.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:36:41 AM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2589: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:36:30 AM

Revenge of Cooler is implied to take place not too long after Goku defeated Frieza. For SSJ Goku to jump from 160 million to over half a billion in such a short time seems unlikely.

The one that bugs me more is that 2.5 billion seems too low for Super Gogeta. Broly's 1.4 billion works okay for a while, it's when it gets to the Lensman Arms Race between Gohan's massive power-up, Super Buu's absorptions, and the birth of Vegito (Who is likely at a similar power level to Gogeta) that 2.5 seems too low. Gohan alone probably exceeded 2.5, and then Buu exceeded him and absorbed him, and then Vegito exceeded Buu to such a degree that he was able to utterly humiliate him.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:37:58 AM by Anomalocaris20

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#2590: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:38:10 AM

Err, doesn't Cooler's movie happen after Mecha Frieza's death? I don't know a lot about the timeline (once again, my ONLY experience with this series is a few video games) but that seems like the only place where it fits. Could be right before the Androids arrive.

[up][up] Wait, I'm confused again. Admittedly I only got this from reading a trope page, but wasn't Frieza at 100% (120,000,000) evenly matched with Goku until he burned himself out and then even stronger than that after being turned into a cyborg? If Trunks was only as strong as Goku was on Namek shouldn't he have gotten stomped?

edited 6th Jan '13 12:40:51 AM by CPFMfan

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2591: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:40:23 AM

Goku hadn't quite mastered the transformation yet, as seen by him still needing heavy emotional duress to activate it. It's implied to take place shortly after Frieza's defeat, but in the scenario of Goku returning to earth right away rather than wandering around for a while. Mecha-Frieza hadn't arrived yet. Heck, he might not have even been recovered by Cold yet.

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#2592: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:40:37 AM

I think Broli's 1.4 is a little low, actually. I think originally it fit in perfectly when my lists were more conservative.

Gogeta's is impossible to work. The Super Saiyan 3 multiplier is 400x base, meaning the minimum power level for Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 is 2.4 billion (which is ignoring every boost after Namek except for his RoSaT training which we know at least doubled his power). And Gogeta is obviously more than 4% stronger than Goku.

[up][up] In the anime, yes. In the manga Freeza was pathetically outmatched against Goku even at full power (Goku had a power level of 150,000,000), only landing one hit on him. Goku was only drawing out the fight to make Freeza suffer.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:42:54 AM by Saiga

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#2593: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:45:02 AM

[up][up] According to the wiki Cooler said that Goku without the Super Saiyan transformation at the time of his arrival was powerful enough to defeat Frieza... that combined with the fact that Goku fought Cooler to a draw in his first form without even Kaioken, and was effortlessly swatted aside even with Kaioken x20 after Cooler transformed, and it seems like 470,000,000 for his final form is, if anything, far too small.

edited 6th Jan '13 4:58:15 AM by CPFMfan

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#2594: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:46:09 AM

I remember I was able to make a decent list for a while even accounting for Broly and Gogeta, but as I said it started to break down due to there simply not being enough space between Broly's 1.4 and Gogeta's 2.5 to cram the entire Fusion Saga in.

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#2595: Jan 6th 2013 at 12:47:47 AM

Did you use the official multipliers Anom?

I've got a complete list for the manga but it requires tweaking due to my changing my mind on things and I'm too lazy to do it.waii

[up][up] Yeah Toei are actually completely unaware of the Super Saiyan multiplier. I'm not even kidding, they didn't ever think to ask Toriyama, but they thought to ask about what colour Goku's hair and eyes were before the manga coloured it (and then Toriyama lied to them). They don't treat it like it's a big gap.

edited 6th Jan '13 12:48:48 AM by Saiga

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#2596: Jan 6th 2013 at 7:07:00 AM

Guys have you forgotten? Power levels are bullshit!

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#2597: Jan 6th 2013 at 8:05:16 AM

Freeza got more than one hit in on Goku during the manga fight

Its just that Goku always came back right afterwards and never lost control of the fight

Eventually Frieza just could not keep up

I dont think he was ever able to match SSJ Goku. But before his 100 % power burned out, he at least wasn't pathetically outmatched

but yeah Coolers PL like that seems way too much

edited 6th Jan '13 8:05:34 AM by Medigo0

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#2598: Jan 6th 2013 at 8:06:30 AM

also trying to fit movie P Ls with the Manga just should not be done

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#2599: Jan 6th 2013 at 8:31:27 AM

Reminds me of something Nappa said in Budokai Tenkaichi 3: "Hey, uh...you think if I went Super Saiyan, my goatee would grow?"

I like to think that an SSJ 3 Nappa would have a glowing, golden wizard beard.

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#2600: Jan 6th 2013 at 10:46:32 AM

That quote sounds more like something Abridged Nappa would say than real Nappa.

You know, it would be funny if whatever next game they decide to release had a super secret bonus language track that makes them all their Team Four Star counterparts.

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