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#25951: Mar 24th 2017 at 11:55:51 PM

I thought he was a funny character in the original.

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#25952: Mar 25th 2017 at 4:29:15 AM

[up]He sure was funny in the dub I grew up with tongue He coined the term "peanut boy" and his conversations tended to bring up food for no reason.

I liked the episode. I'm sure Hercule isn't dead, as it's not just C-16's head: His character from then on only makes sense if he was there to witness the fight. I'm guessing the public will think he's dead, only for him to emerge alive and well at the end.

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#25953: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:01:54 AM

Krillin winds up throwing 16's head.

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#25954: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:26:13 AM

I can sort of see the logic in killing him.

If Satan never saw the rest of the fight, then his insistence that it's all light shows and clever tricks can be done from a point of genuine ignorance rather than belligerent denial.

And he's one of the few characters to avoid dying in the Buu arc, so they can have this be his first death without messing up anything in the future canon.

The idea that he survived his reckless charge against Cell was always a stretch in the first place, given both how much more powerful than him Cell is and how few f*cks Cell would give about cherry tapping to avoid killing him. If he wasn't a named character, that offhand strike would have taken his head off.

edited 25th Mar '17 6:29:13 AM by TobiasDrake

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#25955: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:13:55 AM

They specifically mention that Cell didn't want to kill him because Satan is so pathetic even killing him makes you worse.

You don't want to be the guy who killed Mr Satan. You want as little to do with his history as possible.

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#25956: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:16:31 AM

One of my favorite moments from Xenoverse 1 is Towa making Cell more evil, so he winds up to kill Satan instead of just launching him... and your character jumps in and kicks Satan into one of the Cell Games pillars in order to save his life.

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#25957: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:17:57 AM

If you exclude the heroes Satan is the 12th or 13th most powerful person in the world, give or take Chiaotzu.

At this point in time he was either the 10th or 11th, give or take Master Roshi.

There's medals for that, I'm sure.

edited 25th Mar '17 7:29:06 AM by Soble

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#25958: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:23:55 AM

we don't know how he stacks up against other Budokai winners or participants.

By the time he'd won, the announcer admitted things had gone way downhill.

edited 25th Mar '17 7:24:28 AM by Saiga

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#25959: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:31:18 AM

Well to be fair, he's coming off of watching a bout between a grown man and the son of an ancient demon king who overthrew the world government, during which Piccolo blew up the ring, became giant, and threatened to murder everyone present IIRC. I think the announcer was just desensitized.

And possibly a little crazy. I mean he stuck around to referee even after everybody else fled in terror.

edited 25th Mar '17 7:33:27 AM by Soble

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#25960: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:45:28 AM

If Satan never saw the rest of the fight, then his insistence that it's all light shows and clever tricks can be done from a point of genuine ignorance rather than belligerent denial.

Well, not just belligerence. A fair bit of it is probably just shock from suddenly being thrown into the vast ocean of people who can destroy the world without breaking a sweat.

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#25961: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:01:13 AM

[up][up] I'd like to correct something here. Piccolo didn't just blow up the ring, he blew up the entire island (in that he completely destroyed the surface). Also, all of those things happened in reverse order.

edited 25th Mar '17 11:01:38 AM by Zelenal

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#25962: Mar 25th 2017 at 11:06:15 AM

I admit, Satan surviving Cell pimp slapping him out of the ring can feel like a massive stretch (although we know the Z warriors can control their Ki enough to avoid killing someone weaker than them quite easily).

It doesn't change the fact he lived because Toriyama wanted him to live however.

It could go either way: I do agree that him actually witnessing the real fight is a big thing for his character, but also that him not seeing what happens next would make his insistence on it all being fake more...realistic.

We'll see how it goes.

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#25963: Mar 25th 2017 at 1:59:38 PM

I want him to survive. Him dying is one joke, but him surviving is the opportunity for a good many jokes.

Also, I like his character and his reactions during the fight.

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#25964: Mar 25th 2017 at 2:17:49 PM

That's probably why he lived...that and the fact that Toriyama doesn't really make a joke out of characters dying.

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#25965: Mar 25th 2017 at 4:50:17 PM

It's a comedy attack. Comedy attacks work differently than serious attacks.

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#25966: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:05:26 PM

Why does this episode have Dragonball Super added to the disclaimer? I mean, Super has been around for a while now, why THIS episode? I don't think there was any content unique to Super.

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#25967: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:07:34 PM

[up][up]You mean like Launch being able to hurt Goku with Bullets when he's already tanked a handgun to the face back when he first met Bulma?

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#25968: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:28:02 PM

[up][up]Maybe TFS figured "Well, Super's getting an English dub on Toonami now, let's add it to the disclaimer."

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#25969: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:31:27 PM

Yeah. Makes sense.

They rarely do references to GT, but it's on every episode disclaimer still.

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#25970: Mar 25th 2017 at 6:51:46 PM

They've used one clip from GT...exactly.

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#25971: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:04:20 PM

They also used the GT rap.

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#25972: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:10:33 PM

And referenced Vegeta's moose-tache.

It's really just a "better safe than sorry". Remember, not every series or related party is as cool with abridging as DBZ. Attack on Titan got ended, there's all the times Yugioh Abridged got taken down, and probably more stuff.

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#25973: Mar 25th 2017 at 7:10:39 PM

And the Vegeta mustache concept. [nja]

edited 25th Mar '17 7:19:02 PM by Weirdguy149

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#25974: Mar 26th 2017 at 6:48:39 AM

[up][up]You mean like Launch being able to hurt Goku with Bullets when he's already tanked a handgun to the face back when he first met Bulma?

Yeah, and what about the time he got hurt in his SSJ form when Krillin hit him in the nose with a rock, when he was able to completely No-Sell a friggin' death beam from Frieza in that same form?

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#25975: Mar 26th 2017 at 11:22:22 AM

Fuck Toei.

I wonder what the Dragon Ball anime would have been like if a studio that wasn't a pile of garbage got their hands on it.

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