When you're a bunch of raving murders trying to attempt to take over the world, whether you have family or not doesn't really matter. That's the thing that people always seem to forget about Even Evil Has Loved Ones: that fact doesn't not make them evil.
I don't understand this "either/or" thing. Gero can feel bad about his son and want revenge against Goku from stopping the Red Ribbon Army from taking over the world.
edited 6th Mar '17 7:10:42 PM by LSBK
My point is, you seem to object to TFS' exploration of Gero's son on the ground that it reduces Gero's character to just being a wronged man out for revenge for his son, so I'm arguing that this is not the case.
TFS!Gero has been consistently portrayed as an irredeemable evil asshole from the beginning, and the fact that he had a son that he loved and wants revenge for doesn't really change that fact, all it does is give his character a bit more nuances.
edited 6th Mar '17 9:08:10 PM by Nightwire
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No, my point is I don't get acting like his son dying has to be the main reason he did what he did, like that post I quoted was clearly implying. Well, that and the absurdity of trying to paint the Red Ribbon Army cause in general as something to sympathize with.
Honestly, I think that's on you. I very clearly said it could be both.
edited 6th Mar '17 9:20:03 PM by LSBK
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I don't know, mang.
Even if I was evil, losing my dominant hand would make me freak out too.
Justified.
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Yeah, sorry man, I was aware that you were responding to that other poster, and I get what you were trying to say. My posts were more of a response to people in this thread who thinks that the change was unnecessary and bad, and I was trying to argue that this response might be based on a misinterpretation of TFS's true intention when making this scene, and it's not really their fault that it could be read either way.
But yeah, I did reply to the wrong conversation, so I'm sorry
Yeah, but it wouldn't take you literally 3 hours to build another one. You'd have lost your dominant hand for life.
I mean... unless you can build yourself a replacement hand now, who knows these days.
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!It's not bad form when you clearly articulate your point and yet somehow some reads the exact opposite from it.
Furthermore, I disagree with that what Toriyama said removes nuances from Gero, it just doesn't rewrite why he did everything he did.
edited 6th Mar '17 10:07:02 PM by LSBK
That's one of their miss gags for me, mainly because they totally ripped that joke from Scott Pilgrim and it worked better in its original source on account of how much pettier it was.
"Do you have any idea how long it took me to get all the Evil Exes' contact information so I could form this League?! Like two hours! TWO HOURS!!!"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If you read a post one way and someone else reads that post a different way, your response is going to have a very different meaning to someone who isn't going with the same assumptions as you are. (and needing to assign blame is bad form in the first place)
When I comment "Gero can feel bad about his son's death and the Red Ribbon Army failing" and someone else replies "Gero can feel bad about his son's death and the Red ribbon Army failing" I can't help but feel the communication problem was on their end.
I feel the need to ask you to stop acting like the politeness police.
edited 6th Mar '17 10:18:07 PM by LSBK
I think some people are a bit confused about the context of Gero's son in the original: it wasn't in the original. There is no mention whatsoever of Android 16 being related to Dr Gero in any significant way aside from him being his creation. Toriyama added the '16 is Gero's son' thing years after the fact, and Gero's son dying to gunfire in a firefight and not due to Goku cannot possibly be any sort of cop-out because that information accompanied the reveal of the character's existence.
I do, however, think that Gero's son being killed by Goku makes Gero's character much more compelling and multi-dimensional, even if the way TFS brought it up is questionable. The best way to handle it would just be to have a man who looks identical to Android 16 be killed by Goku in his assault on the base in the Red Ribbon Army arc, than establish much later on that Android 16 is based on Gero's deceased son, and let the fans figure it out for themselves.

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