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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25551: Mar 6th 2017 at 6:24:17 PM

Pizza with alfredo sauce instead of tomato sounds like something where one bite will send you to heaven.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#25552: Mar 6th 2017 at 6:30:13 PM

In a good way.

Although considering what it does to your arteries, probably in the bad way, too. :p

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25553: Mar 6th 2017 at 7:10:06 PM

Gero's son not being killed by Goku is a complete fucking cop-out and ruins the point of him even existing as a character. Goku murdered a ton of people in the original series, including hundreds of unnamed soldiers, and that was what it should have been about - the hero being on the opposite end of the situation with Frieza. Someone so far beyond your power level wiping out everything you ever cared about and it not even matter ing to them. Gero lost everything he ever believed in and everything he ever loved to Goku, who barely even remembers it. He sacrificed and slaved enough to become powerful and do the one thing that mattered to him - make Goku pay for taking his son from him, no matter the cost.

When you're a bunch of raving murders trying to attempt to take over the world, whether you have family or not doesn't really matter. That's the thing that people always seem to forget about Even Evil Has Loved Ones: that fact doesn't not make them evil.

I don't understand this "either/or" thing. Gero can feel bad about his son and want revenge against Goku from stopping the Red Ribbon Army from taking over the world.

edited 6th Mar '17 7:10:42 PM by LSBK

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#25554: Mar 6th 2017 at 8:35:35 PM

I don't like ham on my pizza. I'll order a pepperoni and add pineapple to that.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25555: Mar 6th 2017 at 8:57:48 PM

[up][up] Well, Gero can also be an evil petty bastard who wants to take over the world AND wants revenge for his son. I don't see how that's so difficult.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25556: Mar 6th 2017 at 8:58:25 PM

[up]...That's exactly what I said.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25557: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:07:22 PM

My point is, you seem to object to TFS' exploration of Gero's son on the ground that it reduces Gero's character to just being a wronged man out for revenge for his son, so I'm arguing that this is not the case.

TFS!Gero has been consistently portrayed as an irredeemable evil asshole from the beginning, and the fact that he had a son that he loved and wants revenge for doesn't really change that fact, all it does is give his character a bit more nuances.

edited 6th Mar '17 9:08:10 PM by Nightwire

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25558: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:09:06 PM

Piccolo even calls Gero out on his dickery when Gero freaks out over losing his arm.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25559: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:16:45 PM

[up][up]No, my point is I don't get acting like his son dying has to be the main reason he did what he did, like that post I quoted was clearly implying. Well, that and the absurdity of trying to paint the Red Ribbon Army cause in general as something to sympathize with.

Honestly, I think that's on you. I very clearly said it could be both.

edited 6th Mar '17 9:20:03 PM by LSBK

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#25560: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:24:00 PM

[up][up]I don't know, mang.

Even if I was evil, losing my dominant hand would make me freak out too.

Justified.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25561: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:44:32 PM

[up][up]The way I read that was the official version seemed like it would add a bit more nuance to Dr. Gero's vendetta, but swerves away from that and comes off as pointless, unlike TFS's revision.

Also blaming people for honest misunderstandings is bad form, come on.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25562: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:53:44 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, sorry man, I was aware that you were responding to that other poster, and I get what you were trying to say. My posts were more of a response to people in this thread who thinks that the change was unnecessary and bad, and I was trying to argue that this response might be based on a misinterpretation of TFS's true intention when making this scene, and it's not really their fault that it could be read either way.

But yeah, I did reply to the wrong conversation, so I'm sorry tongue

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25563: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:56:07 PM

Even if I was evil, losing my dominant hand would make me freak out too

Yeah, but it wouldn't take you literally 3 hours to build another one. You'd have lost your dominant hand for life.

I mean... unless you can build yourself a replacement hand now, who knows these days.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25564: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:02:12 PM

The way I read that was the official version seemed like it would add a bit more nuance to Dr. Gero's vendetta, but swerves away from that and comes off as pointless, unlike TFS's revision. Also blaming people for honest misunderstandings is bad form, come on.

It's not bad form when you clearly articulate your point and yet somehow some reads the exact opposite from it.

Furthermore, I disagree with that what Toriyama said removes nuances from Gero, it just doesn't rewrite why he did everything he did.

edited 6th Mar '17 10:07:02 PM by LSBK

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25565: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:02:29 PM

Gero needs that dominant hand because murdering Son Goku makes him hard.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25566: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:03:34 PM

They said I'd never get to to use this catapult for anything.

-loads bricks-

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#25567: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:04:21 PM

Sorry, no operating a Catapult without a license.

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#25568: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:04:25 PM

That's one of their miss gags for me, mainly because they totally ripped that joke from Scott Pilgrim and it worked better in its original source on account of how much pettier it was.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25569: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:11:10 PM

It's not when you very clearly say what you mean and yet someone infers the exact opposite from it.

If you read a post one way and someone else reads that post a different way, your response is going to have a very different meaning to someone who isn't going with the same assumptions as you are. (and needing to assign blame is bad form in the first place)

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25570: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:14:52 PM

[up]When I comment "Gero can feel bad about his son's death and the Red Ribbon Army failing" and someone else replies "Gero can feel bad about his son's death and the Red ribbon Army failing" I can't help but feel the communication problem was on their end.

I feel the need to ask you to stop acting like the politeness police.

edited 6th Mar '17 10:18:07 PM by LSBK

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25571: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:18:34 PM

Guys, let's drop it, okay? I already apologized.

Btw, do you think Gero built himself a robot penis?

edited 6th Mar '17 10:19:59 PM by Nightwire

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25572: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:19:28 PM

[up]Sorry. This is partially about a separate issue.

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#25573: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:21:10 PM

I think some people are a bit confused about the context of Gero's son in the original: it wasn't in the original. There is no mention whatsoever of Android 16 being related to Dr Gero in any significant way aside from him being his creation. Toriyama added the '16 is Gero's son' thing years after the fact, and Gero's son dying to gunfire in a firefight and not due to Goku cannot possibly be any sort of cop-out because that information accompanied the reveal of the character's existence.

I do, however, think that Gero's son being killed by Goku makes Gero's character much more compelling and multi-dimensional, even if the way TFS brought it up is questionable. The best way to handle it would just be to have a man who looks identical to Android 16 be killed by Goku in his assault on the base in the Red Ribbon Army arc, than establish much later on that Android 16 is based on Gero's deceased son, and let the fans figure it out for themselves.

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#25574: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:23:26 PM

So what did Zamasu do that was referred to in the pizza video?

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#25575: Mar 6th 2017 at 10:24:43 PM

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