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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25501: Mar 6th 2017 at 8:34:33 AM

[up]Normally I'd say "be more confident in your opinions", but I don't really want to get stuck in another infinite loop of "I think it added a lot - no it was pointless actually" either.

edited 6th Mar '17 8:35:00 AM by Moth13

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25502: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:09:10 AM

I mean, yeah, Even Evil Has Loved Ones, is a thing but that doesn't mean it has to be a character's primary motivation, or make you forget the character isn't evil. Which is kind of what that video does for both Gero and his son.

Also Gero's son apparently wasn't actually killed specifically by Goku, just in the line of duty, but I doubt anyone actually cares about that.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25503: Mar 6th 2017 at 11:40:11 AM

But they wanted it to be Kakarrot...

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#25504: Mar 6th 2017 at 1:29:48 PM

Does Chi-chi and Goku's sexcapade to make Goten count as "Improving" the story?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25505: Mar 6th 2017 at 1:39:49 PM

Not really...

Seems like they just wanted to make a bunch of S. intercourse jokes....

edited 6th Mar '17 1:41:10 PM by randomness4

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#25506: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:11:45 PM

So your telling me people like stuff and other people dislike stuff? No way!

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25507: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:20:54 PM

What do opinions have do with anything?

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#25508: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:22:47 PM

Absolutely nothing. Everything I think about a thing automatically becomes factually accurate, on the grounds that I am a dragon and can breathe fire at temperatures well above the average melting point of everything.

edited 6th Mar '17 2:23:13 PM by TobiasDrake

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#25509: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:24:53 PM

[up][up]People disliking the Android 16 thing isn't an opinion?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25510: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:28:59 PM

Randomness thought you were talking about opinions in general...

Not the discussion about that scene...

Wasn't really much of a discussion...

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#25511: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:35:27 PM

To be fair talking about a scene you dislike/didn't care for can still be a good discussion.

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#25512: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:37:07 PM

To be truly fair, any topic could theoretically make for a good discussion.

Except for the one you're thinking of right now. No one wants to talk about that and you're a horrible person for thinking it.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25513: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:47:04 PM

I just meant that it didn't last long...

And maybe it's just me, but I don't think taking turns to just say whether or not you like something is much of a discussion...because that's pretty much what happened.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25514: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:56:28 PM

Absolutely nothing. Everything I think about a thing automatically becomes factually accurate, on the grounds that I am a dragon and can breathe fire at temperatures well above the average melting point of everything.

Oh yeah! Well I've always wanted to slay a dragon.cool

As for the current topic:

1) 16 death video: Didn't hate it, but can see why others would.

2) Goku / Chi-chi sex: bad idea, and they were dumb for not realizing how it would be taken.

That's one of the few times I'm gonna say that about them.

edited 6th Mar '17 2:56:43 PM by HandsomeRob

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25515: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:59:27 PM

Sexual desirees...probably wasn't referring to that closing gag, but the episode after that where it was wearing Karrot out tired like.

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#25516: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:00:21 PM

The Goku/Chi-Chi sex bits were fine once we got a clarifying scene establishing that Goku both understands the concept of consent and is giving it. Given the nature of his character, that was very important to acknowledge.

And we got some good bits out of it. My personal favorite is a rare instance of Goku and Bulma just getting to chat like the old, old friends they are.

  • Goku: (pop) BULMA! Sex makes babies!
  • Trunks: (cries)
  • Bulma: smile I'm well aware.

edited 6th Mar '17 3:00:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#25517: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:03:13 PM

Ironically, taking Dragon Ball Super into account, that whole string of sex jokes made TFS Goku seem more mature than his real counterpart. Like, at least TFS Goku (probably) got passed kissing.

edited 6th Mar '17 3:03:20 PM by LordVatek

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#25518: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:04:18 PM

The Goku/Chi-Chi sex bits were fine once we got a clarifying scene establishing that Goku both understands the concept of consent and is giving it.

If you ask me, it was a pretty unsubtle attempt at an Author's Saving Throw, but I'm still glad they did it.

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PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#25519: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:13:34 PM

Gero's son not being killed by Goku is a complete fucking cop-out and ruins the point of him even existing as a character. Goku murdered a ton of people in the original series, including hundreds of unnamed soldiers, and that was what it should have been about - the hero being on the opposite end of the situation with Frieza. Someone so far beyond your power level wiping out everything you ever cared about and it not even matter ing to them. Gero lost everything he ever believed in and everything he ever loved to Goku, who barely even remembers it. He sacrificed and slaved enough to become powerful and do the one thing that mattered to him - make Goku pay for taking his son from him, no matter the cost.

And then it's just some unnamed enemy who did it so we don't have to think about morality. All those people Goku killed never had families and it doesn't matter what happened to them.

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#25520: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:21:53 PM

In fairness, Saiga isn't wrong about Gero's son being a Voodoo Shark. His purpose for existing is to try and explain part of the nonsensical de-escalation of androids, wherein each new number of android is shittier than the last. Y'know, the opposite of progress.

The idea being that Gero made 16 a pacifist because he resembles his son and he didn't want him to go out there and get killed like his son did. The problem with it is that it explains precisely nothing. There's no reason Gero couldn't just build a non-16 version of 16 who wasn't his son and didn't have his son's attitude and could go break Goku's face, and there's sure as hell no reason to abandon 16's tech when the fundamental flaw with 16 is personality-based, not tech-based.

Gero making each subsequent android shittier for tenuous reasons like "They're hard to control" is a problem that doesn't really have a solution. It exists because Toriyama had to introduce a new set of androids to replace 19 and 20 while also escalating their threat level above 19 and 20. The only thing that could have solved this issue is better planning.

EDIT: Of note, the most egregious example of this issue being Dr. Gero not making Android 20 into either an Infinite Energy model or a Whatever 16 Is model. "Hmm, my previous designs had too much personality and it made them hard to control. I'd better use the shitty design for myself, just in case my personality proves too hard for me to control and I cease to follow my orders."

edited 6th Mar '17 3:24:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25521: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:26:24 PM

[up][up]That's not a cop-out...it wouldn't even matter since that whole thing was never addressed in series.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#25522: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:28:28 PM

wild mass guessideaThe infinite energy model only worked with an organic brain, but appeared to cause signs of mental instability.

edited 6th Mar '17 3:28:42 PM by God_of_Awesome

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#25523: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:35:56 PM

Mental instability until they are surpassed on the power level food chain.

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PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#25524: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:38:38 PM

The inmfinite energy drive models flaws can only be countered through the model developing a nurturing side, such as becoming a mother, or a park ranger, or liking birds.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#25525: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:48:27 PM

Dr. Gero was a Mad Scientist. Who was old. He probably had a senior moment and thought his later ideas were awesome, except they weren't.


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