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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#25251: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:24:41 PM

[up][up] I'm pretty sure one of the Death Notes rules is you can't make someone kill someone else. Trying just makes it default to heart attack.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25252: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:28:33 PM

Although I believe he found a way around that in the movie.

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#25253: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:29:45 PM

How To Use X: 2: Whether the cause of the individual's death is either a suicide or accident, if the death leads to the death of more than the intended, the person will simply die of a heart attack. This is to ensure that other lives are not influenced.

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#25254: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:30:31 PM

You can't make someone kill someone else but you can make someone be killed by someone else, so long as you leave that other party vague enough that the fate-shaping Death Note can fill the detail in from there.

So, you could not write, "Gohan kills Cell and then has a heart attack and dies." You also can't write, "Cell is killed by Gohan." But you can write, "Cell is killed by a child," and leave it up to the Note to determine what child and how he's killed by him/her. If it is possible for a child to kill Cell, then that will occur.

edited 26th Feb '17 1:31:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#25255: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:43:12 PM

I suppose.

I never really watched Death Note, so I wouldn't real know, but I thought Light was supposed to be really clever and manipulative right up until the end, right?

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#25256: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:49:22 PM

[up] He was and at the end (in the manga anyway as the anime made it impossible) it was suggested Near may have used the Death Note to manipulate Mikami after his screw up to ensure he caused Light's defeat rather than just his plan falling apart.

edited 26th Feb '17 1:50:01 PM by doineedaname

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#25257: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:57:03 PM

Having just read through all 66 "How to Use" pages, there is no rule stating that you cannot have murder be the cause of death. The only rule is that the cause of death cannot directly or indirectly kill other humans.

If you want to read them yourself.

edited 26th Feb '17 1:57:26 PM by Zelenal

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#25258: Feb 26th 2017 at 1:58:22 PM

Sort of. He was also really egotistical and constantly wrote himself into corners because he prioritized "Prove to everyone how awesome I am" over "Actually achieve my goal".

Like, the only reason it was even possible to investigate him in the first place is because L put a decoy on TV to make fun of Light, which bruised his precious ego and provoked him into killing the decoy. The broadcast was limited to a specific region, however, so when the decoy was killed, it immediately revealed Light's general area.

Light makes a lot of mistakes like that, up to and including revealing himself to dying adversaries in their final moments so that they know he was the one who beat them. This is ultimately his undoing; when he assumes that Near and the rest of the task force have been written into the Death Note, he pre-emptively gloats, "Well, Near, it looks like I've won." It's possible he might have been able to convince the task force of his innocence yet again had he not been so eager to brag about his awesomeness.

Instead, he gleefully unmasks himself only to find out Near's outfoxed him, they aren't dying, and there's no way to put the mask back on.

edited 26th Feb '17 1:59:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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#25259: Feb 26th 2017 at 3:57:17 PM

Ok so using the TFS cast for the Cell Games reenactment was hilarious, what was the version that aired on Toonami last night?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#25260: Feb 26th 2017 at 4:03:50 PM

I heard it was the version from the Z anime.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25261: Feb 26th 2017 at 6:19:18 PM

It was this version. (though it still had tfs Krillin telling everyone to buy merch)

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#25262: Feb 26th 2017 at 6:45:56 PM

Hang on, why isn't Cell still exploding?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#25263: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:00:28 PM

Due to Kenshiro, you mean? He probably just killed him.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#25264: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:04:33 PM

Probably not, since Kenshiro could just use Musou Tensei to become unable to be touched and then walk away from Cell.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#25265: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:10:26 PM

And even if he did kill him, that wouldn't solve that his body would be trapped in a cycle of trying to explode and reheal over and over.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25266: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:11:16 PM

Well, the entire point was to kill Cell, so I don't just see him walking away. So he's dead. The Kenshiro one was also pretty weak, actually.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#25267: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:12:25 PM

Actually, no, all Kenshiro wanted was the bug meat.

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#25268: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:29:43 PM

I don't even remember the mondo cool thing being on TV. I just remember Steam Train mentioned that scene and I looked it up a long time back.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25269: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:38:30 PM

Ah, back in the 90's when every action series, including dubs, were hard-wired into Totally Radical mode. I remember the "mondo cool" scene, but I don't remember exactly where it's from. I'd bet it was Ocean, though.

Where is "you are most unkind" from?

As funny as that re-enactment is, it's incredibly in-jokey, which I assume is why it wasn't used. Studios only like in-jokeyness to an extent, especially with popular series.

edited 26th Feb '17 7:40:18 PM by KnownUnknown

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25270: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:38:41 PM

Kenshiro walked away munching on bug meat while Cell was busy exploding.

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#25271: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:43:10 PM

[up][up]I mean, it's funny even if you don't know the in-jokes.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25272: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:49:18 PM

Most of it is. Some of it isn't. There several gags there that are only comprehensible if you happened to be watching the series in the 90's (the HFIL gag most obviously). And... yeah. Studios hate that, even in cases where they know the majority of the fanbase would get the joke, unless the series as a whole is gaggy - because for those that don't get it, it's basically dead air.

The more popular a series is (and thus, the more new fans a series attracts) the less likely something like that is going to air.

edited 26th Feb '17 7:54:12 PM by KnownUnknown

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#25273: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:59:02 PM

"You are most un-kind" is a DBZ Abridged line...

In-jokes aplenty...

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25274: Feb 26th 2017 at 8:10:55 PM

It's from DBZ Abridged? I thought it's use in Abridged was a reference to something else.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25275: Feb 26th 2017 at 8:19:40 PM

Where was it used? I don't recall that one.

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