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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25201: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:08:59 PM

yeah, that's ridiculous.

What should really happen is that the minute he puts himself in a situation where he would render himself unable to fulfill the conditions of the note, he has a heart attack and dies.

The Death Note is not a toy and using it that way runs contrary to the point of the series.

edited 24th Feb '17 7:09:39 PM by Saiga

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25202: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:22:54 PM

@Saiga: I really don't think the nuances of Japanese concepts of human apply to a version created by English speakers who have a different cultural context.

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#25203: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:23:36 PM

[up][up]Except he never put himself in a situation where would be impossible for him to fulfill the conditions. In fact, once his name was written, it because impossible for him to actually put himself in such a position, as he was already being controlled by the Death Note.

The Death Note might not be a toy, but it can be abused. That is kinda the whole point, the whole thing is about playing around with the rules and loopholes. Yeah, it will catch up to you eventually, but L will die at the end of the time period, so that is already bound to happen anyway.

Anyway, not a fan of the minisode. I didn't like the Death Note worked but not killed Cell. The point of the Death Note is that it kills whoever names is written in it. Its power is to kill, not to cause heart attacks.That is why the heart attack is always fatal in the series, because the "fatal" part is the actually power of the note. Either it should have killed him or have no effect at all. The middle ground doesn't make much sense.

edited 24th Feb '17 7:25:28 PM by Heatth

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25204: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:28:35 PM

@Tobias

Actually, Saiga has a point.

It's also a rule that if you are unable to die in the way it's written in (if it becomes a physical impossibility, then you just default to heart attack. You can't just jump into any situation where you would die and survive because you have to die in the allotted time. You're gonna die, but the Death Note won't let you do any bullshit during that time. If you try and use it to pull off an upside down straight jacket escape trick or something, expect to just have a heart attack in the middle of it.

I was expecting regeneration too. The Death Note can puppet people into fulfilling its conditions, so "Cell flies into the sun" would probably actually kill him. It doesn't have to be reasonable behavior for the person, just not impossible to fulfill.

It occurs to me...Light probably didn't know Cell could fly into space. He defaulted to the Heart Attack because, as far as he's aware, it's 100% effective. Remember, he's experimented with the book to learn everything possible about the rules and how much he can stretch them (that incident on the bus). But no one in their right mind would try and tell someone to fly into the sun, so of course he just went to the heart attack.

He failed because of common sense when you think about it.

Edit: [up] Oh. If that's the case, then I stand correct. That makes sense.

edited 24th Feb '17 7:29:55 PM by HandsomeRob

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25205: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:29:53 PM

Basically, Human/Ningen is the word for all non-godly beings in Dragon Ball, while Humans from Earth are specified as 'Earthlings'. The dub is almost certainly going to translate Ningen as Mortal, though, because aliens being referred to as Human is stupid, since Human is synonymous with Homo Sapien, which is specifically our species.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25206: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:35:19 PM

Stupid to anglophones maybe.

[up]x4 I didn't say he did put himself into situations where he could no longer fulfill the conditions. I said if he put himself in a situation that would lead to that, the note would stop him by killing him first. Not by changing circumstances to making him effectively invincible. The Death Note only 'changes fate' in the sense that it can control the victim's actions to make them do things that are physically possible. Maybe it's just Tobias' description of the movie that is wrong but the Death Note definitely does not manipulate events around someone to protect them or allow them to act like an invincible hero.]]

edited 24th Feb '17 7:53:47 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25207: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:38:14 PM

Stupid because we have the word Person for that.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25208: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:41:26 PM

Sometimes the word "person" is used to mean "human" in Japanese too. They're more nebulous and less strict about it than English is.

Obviously for the most part things like that things don't matter, but I do remember seeing one example of it sticking out. Anyway, "mortal" is totally legit translation of "ningen", it's just much less common, because obviously it is.

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#25209: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:26:23 PM

"Mortal" seems like the exact right word to use for Zamasu's speeches.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#25210: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:34:59 PM

Human is synonymous with Homo Sapien, which is specifically our species.

First, it is Homo sapiens. Italics, first word starting with uppercase and second word starting with lowercase, and spelt "sapiens". If you want to be pedantic, at least bother to get your stuff right. And I doubt you'd call Homo erectus not human.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#25211: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:43:47 PM

Is... is everyone spoiler-tagging things about Death Note, an anime and manga from 2006 and 2003 respectively?

I believe the William Defoe face on Ryuk is because William Defoe is slated to play Ryuk in an upcoming live-action film. But seriously, fuck people constantly making live-action Death Note. Just stop already, there's like four or five different versions out there, there doesn't need to be any more. Death Note is probably one of the most adapted works of non-live-action fiction into live-action, only rivalled by Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man.

They're one of the few animes that are fairly cheap to produce but still maintain a compelling, quirky cast of characters. Batman also has more films than any other DC character because he's one of the few who can be portrayed without extensive amounts of CGI, and whose story is the most relatable.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#25212: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:45:06 PM

[up][up]Because the prescience of italics is really important to nitpick in casual conversation. Nitpicking which word to capitalize is pretty petty too. The lack of 's' at the end is an honest mistake, I forgot that species don't use plurality.

I'm not saying that I'm not wrong, I'm just saying that nitpicking that much and that aggressively was entirely unnecessary.

edited 24th Feb '17 8:47:05 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#25213: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:50:29 PM

[up][up]There are some people who haven't watched or read it yet but still want to.

but HOW?
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#25214: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:58:54 PM

[up][up] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_nomenclature

As nitpicking as enforcing proper grammar, context nonwithstanding.

(But yeah, on second read, I came as a bit of an ass)

edited 24th Feb '17 9:05:16 PM by Eriorguez

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25215: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:03:42 PM

Light should've taken on Cooler instead. I hear, but don't quote me on this...

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25216: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:06:29 PM

[up][up]It's irrelevant. Might as well be getting on someone's case for not capitalizing "earth".

edited 24th Feb '17 11:27:11 PM by Moth13

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#25217: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:08:13 PM

[up][up] How can this be?!

edited 24th Feb '17 9:08:22 PM by Jedi1113

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#25219: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:34:26 PM

the Death Note explicitly affects human beings so Cell's reaction surprised me

Krillin is part of TFS's Cell.

So Cell is some percentage human being.

...Also, Zamasu rants and raves about "ningen" to refer a group of beings which includes Saiyans, who are seemingly not members of the species Homo sapiens, so.

[nja]

edited 24th Feb '17 9:36:23 PM by unnoun

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#25220: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:51:47 PM

But they are still filthy monkeys!

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#25221: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:55:35 PM

I believe the William Defoe face on Ryuk is because William Defoe is slated to play Ryuk in an upcoming live-action film. But seriously, fuck people constantly making live-action Death Note.

It's going to be a series on Netflix. Zac Efron could never get the Hollywood Death Note film out of Development Hell.

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#25222: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:07:56 PM

If you want a live action Death Note, I'd say watch the 2015 drama. I rather enjoyed it.

The US made series- along with the LA Sword Art Online movie- can only end in disaster.

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#25223: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:32:54 PM

TFS Cell is made of the entire main cast, except Yamcha. Which means that, in a baseball game, Cell would lose to Yamcha in an effortless curbstomp, according to Super. Should've gone the Space Jam route and challenged Cell to baseball instead of a fight.

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#25224: Feb 25th 2017 at 2:55:36 AM

to get back to the deathnote argument briefly

I thought that it wasnt that the note made you immortal until your time of death comes

just that if you write 'your own death will happen in 23 days' (the maximum amount of days a deathnote can give you) you can no longer change the date (but you can change the conditions and settings of your death) with that note or any other deathnote

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