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#25126: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:21:24 PM

There's a limit to how much ki a single person can put into an attack. Charged attacks are more powerful than the person charging them but, like, there's still limits to how much more powerful they can be.

Also, they're probably volatile. Like, I don't think you could just hold a Kamehameha for ten days. I imagine it's going to want to explode at some point.

edited 21st Feb '17 2:21:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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#25127: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:23:40 PM

I think Vegeta disagrees. Vegeta fired a blast that went off-world and probably blew up another planet. After 2-4 minutes of charging maybe.

I don't think there's a limit to the energy you can put into an attack (ie - the Spirit Bomb). There's a limit to how much time you'll have to charge it.

edited 21st Feb '17 2:24:09 PM by Soble

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#25128: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:32:40 PM

Even with unlimited energy production and no ki signature, you still have to stand there and charge your attack. And, eventually, someone will probably notice the giant glowing ball of death.

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#25129: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:35:02 PM

What, Final Flash? Yes, it was a very powerful attack that nearly took out Perfect Cell and would have if he'd been willing to obliterate the planet, but I'm not sure what that has to do with proving that you can charge attacks for an indefinite duration of time. Among other things, non-Androids run out of ki.

Vegeta's always been good at packing incredible destructive force into his ki attacks. Just ask Goku, who had to push himself into Kaioken x4 because at 24,000 battle power, his x3 Kamehameha just wasn't cutting it against 18,000 BP Vegeta's Galick Gun.

edited 21st Feb '17 2:35:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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#25130: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:36:19 PM

The Spirit Bomb is a bit different in that it isn't really made of ki, it's made of genki (hence Genki Dama) so it might not work with the same rules.

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#25131: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:38:25 PM

It's also different because no single person is powering it. It draws power from everybody.

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#25132: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:41:40 PM

It can be as big as it wants to be...

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#25133: Feb 21st 2017 at 2:52:21 PM

So, traits that potentially have different stats in DBZ:
- Output (Level, the power level that actually gets measured)
- Reserves (Stamina, what have you got in the tank)
- Projection (Attack, how much oomph you can put into a ki attack, perhaps a subcategory re: how fast you can charge that oomph)
- Shielding? (Defense, how much oomph you can tank at a time)
- Boosting? (Other Stats, using your ki for strength and speed, all capable of being their own subcategories)

The latter three usually correlate with the very former but some individuals might have some outlying proportions. IE, like how Burter had speed completely out of proportion with his PL and, I guess, Vegeta is capable of putting out more oomph than his PL would suggest and do so very quickly.

Am I getting this right?

edited 21st Feb '17 2:52:44 PM by God_of_Awesome

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#25135: Feb 21st 2017 at 9:50:36 PM

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#25136: Feb 22nd 2017 at 6:09:21 PM

Had a dream the other night. It was set in the Mass Effect universe and one planet was about to explode, so naturally they had to get people off the planet. However the people who were in charge of the evacuation were very anal about it and made sure that everyone boarding a ship leaving the planet was on a list. They were doing this because they didn't want any shapeshifters escaping the planet while impersonating someone else. And for those who don't know, no, there are no shapeshifters in the Mass Effect universe. In the middle of the evacuation Goku showed up with his instant transmission. You'd assume he would help by teleporting people off the doomed planet but you'd be wrong. Instead he used the ability to transport entire planets around. I don't know why he did this or how it would help, but that's what he did.

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#25137: Feb 22nd 2017 at 6:27:36 PM

That was probably for the best. If things continued as they had been going, Akainu probably would've blown up all the ships just in case a shapeshifter got on board.

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#25138: Feb 24th 2017 at 3:52:40 AM

The Spirit Bomb is a bit different in that it isn't really made of ki, it's made of genki

Just to be pedantic: genki is still ki. That is what the "ki" in the word mean. It is just a specific form of ki.

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#25139: Feb 24th 2017 at 6:16:14 AM

Suddenly I realize that I can't remember if any Ki-sensing character has ever commented on sensing the energy of a building spirit bomb.

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#25140: Feb 24th 2017 at 6:20:53 AM

When Kuririn was holding up the Genki Dama passed to him by Goku, Yajirobe commented on how crazy the ki was.

Which is still after it has been formed, though.

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#25141: Feb 24th 2017 at 6:40:17 AM

Well it was only ever formed 3 times...and no one ever commented on the ki building.

Even when they were right next to it.

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#25142: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:38:11 AM

Saiga just pointed out Yajirobe commenting on the Genki-Dama's ki signature.

More to the point, the Genki-Dama has only ever been formed against three adversaries:

  • Vegeta, who could not sense ki.
  • Frieza, who could not sense ki.
  • Pure Buu, who did not vocalize comprehensibly.

Who would comment on it?

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#25143: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:02:15 AM

An ally or Combat Commentator going "gee willikers, that sure is an amazing amount of ki building up!" mayhap?

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#25144: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:18:30 AM

Normally, they do that to communicate to the audience that this attack is a super specially powerful attack, or to inform us of a character's relative battle power. Things that wouldn't be readily visible when Assclown the Destroyer takes the field or Goku starts preparing his fifteenth Kamehameha.

The nice thing about the Genki-Dama is that it's a giant ball of f*ck you floating in the sky, so its power is self-evident. It doesn't need the commentary, in the same way that Frieza's planet-killing Death Ball doesn't.

edited 24th Feb '17 9:19:32 AM by TobiasDrake

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#25145: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:54:02 AM

You know, people seem to forget that the first time the Spirit Bomb is used it's nothing like that. It was only against Freiza that it was a giant ball of fuck you. The first time it only became a ball (a fairly small one, really) when it was ready to be fired. Goku took the energy into himself.

So yeah, Master Roshi going "damn, the power of that ball is amazing!" actually would be useful.

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#25146: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:20:43 AM

OTOH, it's not really needed when the attack comes with its own sequence of beseeching all the plants and animals for energy and watching it gather and all that.

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#25147: Feb 24th 2017 at 10:34:00 AM

The first time Goku gathered the energy for the Genki-Dama, he was alone with Oozaru Vegeta. There was nobody to comment on it. Krillin and Gohan only returned after the Genki-Dama had been assembled, Goku had been smashed, and much of the energy from it was lost.

Krillin does have a "Holy f*ck this is a ton of power" reaction when Goku gives the lingering remnants of the Genki-Dama to him, but by that point, it's already formed.

Notably, after losing a bunch of the Genki-Dama to Vegeta crushing him, Goku never uses his own body for the conduit again. Starting at Frieza, he charges the power externally, which allows him to take the beating Frieza deals him without losing a drop of energy from it. Subtle way we see Goku's skills improve.

edited 24th Feb '17 10:35:28 AM by TobiasDrake

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#25148: Feb 24th 2017 at 1:29:05 PM

He pointed out Yajirobe commenting on it after it's formed...

Randomness said no character ever commented on sensing it as it was forming...

Which includes the Z-fighters.

edited 24th Feb '17 1:29:33 PM by randomness4

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#25149: Feb 24th 2017 at 1:39:04 PM

I think I lost track of the conversation. What difference would it make?

edited 24th Feb '17 1:39:13 PM by Moth13


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