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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#24976: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:53:32 PM

Except didn't Frieza hold back his power because he was afraid of getting caught up in the explosion as well?

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#24977: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:57:08 PM

Or possibly because he actually wanted to finish the fight. But yes, he held back his power.

When he destroyed Planet Vegeta, it was a giant ball of doom that annihilated the planet, but that part tends to get ignored in discussions of relative power levels.

So does Vegeta being a planet-buster; once people start swinging the Feat Hammer around, it goes into the same "He only SAID it, never DID it!" bin that Cell being a solar system-buster does.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:57:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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#24978: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:57:46 PM

I guess that depends on whether Freeza was right when he said that he misjudged how much power he'd need to use to demolish Namek in one go, and whether you consider the scene of him blowing up Vegeta in the Bardock movie to be in continuity (it keeps showing up in other adaptions, but I don't think it's been in a manga on its own yet?)

Also, Cell's claim that his Kamehameha would blow up the SOLAR SYSTEM is ridiculous. Even if it was strong enough to blow up any number of planets without slowing, it's still a straight beam. Every planet would need to be in perfect alignment, or else he would need to turn it into a spherical blast the size of the widest orbit.

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#24979: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:58:14 PM

So does Vegeta being a planet-buster; it goes into the same "He only SAID it, never DID it!" bin that Cell being a solar system-buster does.

Well, unless you count him blowing up the Arlian planet, but I think that was filler.

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#24980: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:58:30 PM

Deffo filler.

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#24981: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:59:15 PM

The implication I took from it was that it would, in fact, turn into a spherical blast. Ki beams typically explode on impact with the ground.

Staying in beam form wouldn't even take out the Earth, because the beam was not as wide as the Earth.

edited 18th Feb '17 3:00:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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#24982: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:01:25 PM

I mean, these beams do explode, sometimes into spheres of destruction.

All I know is, there is absolutely no version of Superman that can kill Beerus, since the latter could just will him out of existence at any point. And no, don't bring up Superman Prime, because a lot of the stuff attributed to him was either outside help, not supported at all in the actual comics, not as impressive as how it's usually explained as, or not even actually done by him at all.

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#24983: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:12:48 PM

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#24984: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:14:29 PM

Huh, I actually got the first post of the thousandth page.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24985: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:21:53 PM

Man, this thread was created right before Season 2 started. In 2010.

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#24986: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:31:23 PM

Most of Superman's absurdly high-end feats are hyperbolic and blatently ignore context. Like, that one image of Superman lifting 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons (200 quintillion tons), is going off of a version of Superman who was so powered up and saturated with yellow solar radiation that it was literally killing him.

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#24987: Feb 18th 2017 at 3:58:52 PM

You could blow up the solar system with a simple energy beam. The beam itself doesn't have to hit all eight planets, it just needs to hit the sun while packing the destructive energy equivalent of 5.09E37 tons ot TNT.

That'd cause the sun to blow the fuck up with enough of a blast radius to destroy every planet and even Pluto.

edited 18th Feb '17 3:59:21 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#24988: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:17:00 PM

I mean, if you destroyed the sun, all the planets not in the blast would just get flung out into the void, which would technically count as destroying the solar system.

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#24989: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:19:22 PM

Re: Sizes of infinities: LSBK has it backwards. Everything in his example is the same size of infinity. For practical purposes, there are only two possible sizes of infinity: Countable infinity and uncountable infinity. for example, 'all even numbers' is a countable infinity, while 'all possible non-repeating decimals' is an uncountable infinity.

I think that there are other sizes of infinity, but they're super obscure and hard to explain.

But every infinite thing that's been brought up is definitely of the countable variety.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24990: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:19:35 PM

The Sun is like 98-99 percent of mass in the Solar System anyway. Debating if he could destroy the Sun but not destroy the Solar System makes no sense at all.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#24991: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:38:03 PM

All Star Superman is very Silver Age'y in general. In some respects it's more Silver Age than the actual Silver Age. It is easily the most powerful portrayal of Superman I've ever seen. But most other Superman sources don't have him anywhere near that strong. Heck, sometimes a guy wearing power armour can hold his own against him.

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#24992: Feb 18th 2017 at 4:39:38 PM

...Silver Age Superman was once depowered completely, save for a new ability to spawn a tiny Superman out of his hand that had all of this powers; this lasted for at least one issue/volume. Modern Age Superman will never get as weird as that.

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#24993: Feb 18th 2017 at 5:26:53 PM

Not to mention the Silver Age's obsession with turning everyone into babies.

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#24994: Feb 18th 2017 at 6:21:58 PM

All-Star Superman is definitely an outlier in a franchise where even his strongest incarnations have met their match at some point or another, and modern Superman absolutely has limits on his power, considering there are people who can take him and sometimes even beat him (Doomsday, Darkseid, Thor, etc). Hell, a recent Batman arc involved a Superman expy called Gotham (superhero who was driven crazy by Psycho-Pirate) who basically whupped the entire Justice League solo due to temporarily being able to increase his power to incredible levels at the cost of basically exhausting his entire life force, but even his normal power level was basically similar to Supes'.

I'm not really a fan of Death Battle's interpretation of Supes, as you can tell.

edited 18th Feb '17 6:29:03 PM by Cronosonic

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#24995: Feb 18th 2017 at 6:40:50 PM

The thing with Death Battle is that they take the fighters at their most powerful. Provided it doesn't require outside help, they will be at the absolute peak of their shown power.

So yeah, All Star Superman not being representative of how he usually is doesn't matter.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#24996: Feb 18th 2017 at 7:08:15 PM

I liked the idea mentioned with Saitama occurring as a dream sequence.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#24997: Feb 18th 2017 at 7:43:39 PM

I've never read Superman comics, but I'm always amazed when I hear how strong Superman is in them considering that the Justice League cartoon had a pretty solid formula.

  • Superman shows up.
  • Villain shoots Superman with a laser.
  • Superman yells in pain and goes flying.
  • Batman (or some other hero) saves the day.

I mean the freaking "World of Cardboard" Speech is concluded by Darkside beating Superman and Lex Luthor showing up to deal with him. And this is the last fight in the JLU cartoon!

edited 18th Feb '17 7:45:26 PM by Hobgoblin

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24998: Feb 18th 2017 at 7:46:07 PM

Well, that was a pretty common complaint about that show. I never really noticed a pattern like that, but I guess Superman saving the day by himself didn't happen super frequently, like you might expect it too if he's as insane as the comics make him out to be. But, really, that doesn't just go for him.

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#24999: Feb 18th 2017 at 8:05:48 PM

As I understand it, Superman has the same problem Thor often has over in Avengers. Writers pretty much have to go out of their way to Worf him, give him a Deus Exit Machina, or otherwise write around him in order to avoid every issue being, "And then Superman singlehandedly dealt with it while the rest of the team stood around wondering why they were even necessary."

Then other writers in his solo titles feel the need to overcompensate for his performance in the team books by burying him in World of Cardboard Speeches and Worf Had the Flu justifications.

edited 18th Feb '17 8:06:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#25000: Feb 18th 2017 at 8:23:44 PM

I kind of prefer Superman in JLU to how a lot of the later episodes of Avengers EMH would end with "...and then Thor showed up and beat the tar out of the bad guy".


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