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#2476: Dec 30th 2012 at 10:52:00 PM

Frieza is a mutant?

[up] Cooler isn't canon. None of the film villains are.

edited 30th Dec '12 10:52:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2477: Dec 30th 2012 at 10:54:25 PM

Yeap. Not sure if this is stated in the series itself, but that's how Toriyama justifies his strength in the interview.

Ginyu and Jeice discuss the fact that they're mutants during the Namek Arc, though, and Ginyu thinks this is the reason Goku is so much stronger than the average Saiyan. It's never really explained, but what we can gather is that "mutant" in Dragon Ball means "individual born with abnormally powerful ki for their race".

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#2478: Dec 30th 2012 at 10:58:06 PM

...I could have sworn that it was the sheer effortlessness of Trunks's defeat of Frieza that was Cold's reason for considering him the strongest.

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#2479: Dec 30th 2012 at 10:59:23 PM

I don't see how the Z Fighters training and doing some damage to some of King Cold's mooks would cause villain decay.

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#2480: Dec 30th 2012 at 11:01:10 PM

...Why are you discussing this in the Abridged Series thread?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2481: Dec 30th 2012 at 11:10:08 PM

[up][up][up] No, he says it about Goku beating Freeza. Before they arrive on Earth. The scene might not be in the anime, I'm not sure.

[up][up] Not the mooks, but if they did to Freeza and Cold themselves it certainly would.

[up] Because this is Dragon Ball abridged?

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#2482: Dec 30th 2012 at 11:48:09 PM

We know Takahata is gonna be voicing Cell right? Do we know who'll be doing the voices for the androids?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2483: Dec 30th 2012 at 11:55:36 PM

I'd like to say Gero/20's voice was given to us, but I can't remember at all.

Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#2484: Dec 30th 2012 at 11:57:37 PM

According to the wiki Kaiser's voicing 17, Megami33 is voicing 18, and Hbi2k is voicing 16. Don't know if those are exactly up to date or anything, but it's the best we've got.

Curiously, Gero and 19 aren't mentioned.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#2486: Dec 30th 2012 at 11:59:39 PM

Yep.

Also, according to the page on Vegeta3986, he was going to voice 19 before he left. Don't know who the job falls to now.

Medigo0 Since: Jun, 2012
#2487: Dec 31st 2012 at 3:35:47 AM

Keep in mind in the manga its never made clear if Cold is stronger than Frieza or not (Unlike in the anime)

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#2488: Dec 31st 2012 at 5:27:47 AM

@Saiga: well from the start, I did say mooks.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2489: Dec 31st 2012 at 6:16:17 PM

[up][up] Yes it did. Unless you're going off the Viz version which makes it vaguer.

[up] Ah, I thought you meant the mooks and Cold/Freeza.

edited 31st Dec '12 6:16:49 PM by Saiga

Medigo0 Since: Jun, 2012
#2490: Jan 1st 2013 at 3:03:42 AM

but in the manga it is also states Frieza's power wasnt even at full when he arrived at Earth (rather Gohan senses that he was putting out stronger chi on Namek)

the question is whether King Cold was also not at full power when he arrived.

(Plus I dont know how much one can trust those 'scans' anyway)

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2491: Jan 1st 2013 at 3:19:50 AM

That's irrelevant. Cold states that the man who defeated Freeza would be the strongest in the universe, as Freeza was previously the strongest in the universe.

If Cold was stronger than Freeza, that statement would make no sense, because it means Freeza wasn't the strongest in the universe after all.

And I'm not using random scans from the internet, I'm using Herms' translations from Kanzenshuu, as he's certainly trustworthy and knows what he's doing.

edited 1st Jan '13 3:23:10 AM by Saiga

Medigo0 Since: Jun, 2012
#2492: Jan 1st 2013 at 7:02:48 AM

oh I thought you were saying the manga states Cold is stronger than Frieza, not the other way around

nvm

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#2493: Jan 1st 2013 at 9:16:05 AM

The manga isn't canon, anyway.

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#2494: Jan 1st 2013 at 9:20:17 AM

[up]Oh, well in that case HUH?!

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#2495: Jan 1st 2013 at 2:46:34 PM

For the sake of DBZA, the manga isn't being counted. I think that's what they are saying.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2496: Jan 1st 2013 at 3:45:10 PM

No, Wander's just continuing a tired joke from another thread.

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#2498: Jan 1st 2013 at 8:30:50 PM

I was:

  1. Poking a little fun at Saiga
  2. Saying that the Dragon Ball manga isn't really canon to DBZA.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#2499: Jan 4th 2013 at 1:17:30 PM

Bojack hasn't been heard from in a while. I seem to remember that he used to be voiced by vegeta. That probably isn't a coincedence.

EDIT: Apparently vegeta voiced Garlic Jr. in Dead Zone Abridged as well. So.

edited 4th Jan '13 1:21:31 PM by unnoun

AndroidChaos The Trope Seeker from Mexico Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#2500: Jan 4th 2013 at 1:56:33 PM

"Yaaargh, you'll always have..."

"Shut up, Bojack!"


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