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SuperDimensionman "Justice!" from the future. Since: Nov, 2009
"Justice!"
#301: Apr 8th 2010 at 6:05:06 PM

For what it's worth, I think most of the pornographic Sono Hanabira Ni Kuchizuke Wo series is very well written. In particular, my favourite was the fourth game. One of the strengths of the series is it covers the part of the relationship that often gets neglected in romantic stories. That is, the part of the relationship after the hookup.

The more I read this thread, and posts like this one, the more I feel like I'm inevitably going to have to consume some kind of yuri hentai in order to get the whole ordeal.

I honestly  *

think that starting with Aoi Hana ruined the entire genre for me, by being too close to a sort of non-fallacious golden mean. To read this thread, it seems like on one side, it only gets more ecchi and fanservicey from there, and on the other; vague and subtexty.

Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#302: Apr 8th 2010 at 6:22:38 PM

Aoi Hana was exceptionally good. I still really like Miyabi Fujieda's work, though. They're really cute, free of fanservice, and the character's don't hide the fact that they're lesbians or in love.

Other than that, I really enjoyed Pieta, even if it was a tad subtexty.

edited 8th Apr '10 6:25:02 PM by Miijhal

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#303: Apr 8th 2010 at 6:56:11 PM

I consider myself fairly eclectic in terms of my yuri tastes and I've tried to enjoy a wide palette. Luckily yuri seems to be a fairly diverse genre so you don't need to take in the racier stuff if you don't want to.

Interestingly enough, Aoi Hana actually has more sexual titillation than some fully canon yuri stories. Most of the stuff by Miyabi Fujieda is a slight bit more tame (although Iono The Fanatics is a slight bit more racy). First Love Sisters is also tamer than Aoi Hana unless you automatically equate moe with Fanservice.

edited 8th Apr '10 7:08:28 PM by CBanana

and that's how Equestria was made!
zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
The World Is Mine
#304: Apr 8th 2010 at 7:13:55 PM

^The fourth game? I thought only the first had been completely patched. I'm assuming fluency in Japanese then...

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SuperDimensionman "Justice!" from the future. Since: Nov, 2009
"Justice!"
#305: Apr 8th 2010 at 7:19:04 PM

I consider myself fairly eclectic in terms of my yuri tastes and I've tried to enjoy a wide palette. Luckily yuri seems to be a fairly diverse genre so you don't need to take in the racier stuff if you don't want to.

Interestingly enough, Aoi Hana actually has more sexual titillation than some fully canon yuri stories. Most of the stuff by Miyabi Fujieda is a slight bit more tame (although Iono The Fanatics is a slight bit more racy). First Love Sisters is also tamer than Aoi Hana unless you automatically equate moe with fanservice.

It's not necessarily that I don't want to, but it's a slippery slope, y'know? I mean, I start with streaming Aoi Hana off of Crunchyroll, and before you know it, my hard-drive is full of hentai of more questionable origin.

I don't think that's likely to actually happen, but today seems to be my day for Insane Troll Hyperbole, so hey, why not. Really, it's mostly just because I don't know where to find anything except what's on Crunchyroll or the Madman site, and haven't bothered to look, since video games have been taking up most of my time lately, and if there's one thing I don't need, it's more timesinks.

(I'm still not necessarily talking about anime specifically, but again, it's easier to write coherently this way. It does bear mentioning that I'm more inclined toward anime in general, though; based on what little I've read, black-and-white manga tend to make my eyes hurt before long.)

edited 8th Apr '10 7:19:52 PM by SuperDimensionman

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#306: Apr 8th 2010 at 7:19:45 PM

No, not fluency. I used AGTH and Atlas to give me a translation of the game (although I did use some Japanese knowledge so that the translation software wouldn't throw me for a loop at certain points).

and that's how Equestria was made!
DEFCON1 Blow it out your ass. from Arsenal Gear Since: Nov, 2009
Blow it out your ass.
#307: Apr 10th 2010 at 2:36:34 PM

Summary: "Boy who crossdresses for ridiculous reasons blackmails lesbian who acts similar to a teenage boy. Nosebleeds, homophobic slurs, sexual harassment, threatened rape, and a complete absence of hilarity ensues."

Sounds like my sort of thing, then.

And to be honest, it doesn't sound "mean spirited" except for the minor Take That! bits at Mari Mite.

edited 10th Apr '10 2:44:04 PM by DEFCON1

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#308: Apr 10th 2010 at 3:43:47 PM

Truthfully, I can't stand humour that could be viewed as promoting misogyny. It's just the way I'm wired. It means my very nature forces me to detest Maria Holic because of that.

Consider it an anti-recommendation since you did ask for an opinion. Erica sums it up far more thoroughly.

and that's how Equestria was made!
DEFCON1 Blow it out your ass. from Arsenal Gear Since: Nov, 2009
Blow it out your ass.
#309: Apr 10th 2010 at 4:31:56 PM

What I will say is this - I found the anti-lesbian "humor" painful. At one point, Mariya calls Kanako "lesbo girl" and it really, really upset me. It was meant to be hurtful to Kanako. We're supposed to find humor in her reaction to this. But, when in a single panel she pleaded with her dead mother, "why is everyone picking on me?" I lost it and started to cry. If you found that line funny, I hate you. It's as simple as that.

Now, see, it's clear Mariya's just being a bitch. And I'll say this: offensive humor is funny because it's funny, not oyougettheideawhyamigoingoverthis. Hell, I laugh at Asian stereotypes (doesn't help when a lot of Asians are just poking fun at themselves in stereotype roles). I can look past the supposed homophobia/misogyny (yes, I'm an un-PC bitch), and I do like Random Humor.

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CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#310: Apr 10th 2010 at 6:35:47 PM

I'm not always the most politically correct person myself but I'm only human and by the way I'm wired, certain things set me off and upset me. Misogyny is one of the things I just can't stand even in fiction. You're free to disagree with me, but you're not going to change my mind about detesting Maria Holic.

and that's how Equestria was made!
DEFCON1 Blow it out your ass. from Arsenal Gear Since: Nov, 2009
Blow it out your ass.
#311: Apr 10th 2010 at 6:53:50 PM

Wasn't trying to.

I remember someone bitching about Mari Mite on the dead Complain About Shows You Dont Like Darth Wiki page, because it kept running on UST and baiting people with it for much of the season. Talk about missing the point...

SirPsychoSexy The Sensui Fan from Texas Panhandle Since: Jan, 2010
The Sensui Fan
#312: Apr 10th 2010 at 7:56:14 PM

I just brush it off with, "Oh, that's Mariya for you".

And I still wonder if it would be better tolerated were it gender-flipped...

Heaven doesn't want me, and Hell's afraid I'll take over.
zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
The World Is Mine
#313: Apr 11th 2010 at 7:51:51 PM

I have decided to buy Sono Hanabira Ni Kuchizuke Wo. I mean, it's cheap enough at USD $20 and I'm told that quite a lot of care has gone into it.

Problem is, it's only purchasable as a download, and I use an old desktop for buying stuff because it doesn't go anywhere else on in the internet except for expressly that purpose. If I download the file on that computer, is the copy protection such that I won't be able to run it on my laptop?

edited 11th Apr '10 7:52:10 PM by zeroplusalpha

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CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#314: Apr 11th 2010 at 8:26:56 PM

There's absolutely no copy protection or DRM on the game.

and that's how Equestria was made!
Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#316: Apr 22nd 2010 at 12:43:31 PM

I've only seen half of Simoun. Me and a friend are going to marathon the rest once he gets some free time. So far, the anime has been reasonably decent.

and that's how Equestria was made!
Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#317: Apr 22nd 2010 at 1:19:17 PM

Would you say the fanservice is awkward/grating? I'm... iffy about picking it up because it's awkward enough to have a Yuri series on my shelf for all to see without it being really fanservicey, and most of what gets brought over here is either hentai, extremely fanservicey, or all subtext.

edited 22nd Apr '10 1:20:02 PM by Miijhal

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#318: Apr 22nd 2010 at 1:39:08 PM

I usually don't mind Fanservice just as long as it doesn't rob a character of their competence. That said there is Fanservice deliberately inserted in the anime.

Fanservice in Simoun mostly consists of various skin-tight training outfits, Shower Scenes, and kissing rituals. Also the commercial break eyecatches can be fairly Fanservice filled.

and that's how Equestria was made!
Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#319: Apr 22nd 2010 at 1:42:01 PM

The outfits I can live with. The shower scenes I can live with provided they're censored.

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#320: Apr 22nd 2010 at 1:51:37 PM

Well, I can let you know that there is no full frontal nudity in Simoun (at least not up to episode 15).

and that's how Equestria was made!
Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#321: Apr 22nd 2010 at 3:21:00 PM

Hmm. I may just have to pick it up then.

Servbot Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#322: Apr 22nd 2010 at 5:29:22 PM

From this Okazu blog post.

This story is about the little moments of domestic bliss that are the majority of time spent in a marriage. On 2chan, the response was, "why should I care?" and a lot of derision about lesbians and why they don't want lesbians in their Yuri.

Excuse me while I Face Palm.

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#323: Apr 22nd 2010 at 5:38:19 PM

I always wonder about how the Japanese view the word "lesbian". I've heard a lot of different things. One person told me that lesbian means exactly the same thing in the West that it does in Japan. I've also heard that it has significant political and negative meanings to it. Also, I've heard that yuri and lesbian are essentially interchangeable in terms of meaning. All things considered, I don't know what the heck "lesbian" means in Japan and I tend to think that the Japanese don't have a consensus meaning on it.

and that's how Equestria was made!
Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#324: Apr 22nd 2010 at 6:23:20 PM

There's also 'Bian', if Honey and Honey is to be believed.

But yeah. There's a reason I can't take the argument that Yuri reduces or is good against homophobia seriously...

edited 22nd Apr '10 6:23:31 PM by Miijhal

CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#325: Apr 22nd 2010 at 6:33:27 PM

Mind you, if 2chan is anything like 4chan (which it probably is), I wouldn't take any comments they say seriously since anonymous image boards are the ultimate example of the GIFT principle.

and that's how Equestria was made!

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