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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
Page 987 @Melinda
Tropic of Stupid <- no comma reveals that Serge is a distant cousin...
Red Baron: Deconstructed...avoided capture and...suits resulted in nicknames for them like "The Rank Robber"...
...Agent Foxtrot, <- comma who...Martha Davenport, the husband of resident Butt-Monkey Jim Davenport call...
^ You appear to be saying that Martha Davenport is the husband of Jim Davenport. Did you mean to write "wife"?
...scenes...where Serge kills Sharon and Rachael, even though neither of them is a particularly pleasant character and each eventually attempts to kill Serge.
^ You're saying that Sharon and Rachael eventually attempt to kill Serge after he has already killed them. Did you mean to write "each previously attempted to kill Serge"?
...Plucky Comic Relief Ernest Hemingway impersonator...been knocked injured by...
^ You can change "knocked injured" to either "knocked out" or "injured".
...after giving him so many positive evaluations for his employee record up until then.
...office (from the...ceiling tiles) looking for...filing cabinet.
...interpreted as meaning that is where the poorest miners live rather...
Page 987 @fateslay56
Higashiyama from Kichikujima, <- comma after being revealed to have been A Manipulative Bastard and gaining powers, showing off his physique. After gaining powers from the Apocrypha, <- comma Uehara also has this.
^ "has this" goes against Word Cruft - This Example Is an Example and the whole second sentence is a Zero-Context Example because it doesn't specifically say how Uehara fits the trope. Also, as separate characters they should each have their own second level (two asterisk) example indentation as per Example Indentation in Trope Lists.
As of Part 2, <- comma set five years after Satoru got quite the growth spurt, <- comma he is a Pretty Boy despite being an insane killer like his family, <- comma like always.
^ This is an example by itself at the second level of indentation, which violates Example Indentation in Trope Lists. If the two above examples are brought down to the second level (two asterisk) of indentation, that will eliminate the problem.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 7th 2023 at 9:13:54 AM
@Minorica
...found dead (shot in the heart) at the crime scene with a gun lying in her room and whose death is...actually a suicide: <- colon the reason why she shot herself is because she was such a horrible...
^ As a single object, a gun can't be "scattered" the way (for example) leaves or marbles could be.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 7th 2023 at 9:22:23 AM
European style:
Literature
- Malko Linge of SAS works for the CIA in order to fund the rebuilding of his stately estate in Austria. Linge could also qualify as an Impoverished Patrician: "SAS" is the initialism for Son altesse sérénissime, "His Serene Highness", as an Austrian prince.
For https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FranchiseOriginalSin/KingdomHearts
- By a similar measure the Happy Ending Override goes back to ‘’Kingdom Hearts II’’. That game revealed that despite Sora defeating Ansem and sealing the Door to Darkness, the Heartless would remain in the Realm of Light As Long as There Is Evil. This was tolerated as it was shown in-game that while the Heartless were still around, it was a more manageable number and thus the many worlds were at a much lower risk of being consumed by darkness, along with it being agreed the Heartless had become too iconic to drop from the franchise. These nuances are absent with later instances of the trope instead causing a feeling that everything accomplished in prior games was All for Nothing.
- A common criticism of ‘’Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep’’ is that Terra comes off as Too Dumb to Live and a Horrible Judge of Character for falling prey to the manipulation of several Disney villains and ‘’’especially’’’ Master Xehanort. But Terra isn’t the first Keyblade wielder (release-wise anyway) to be manipulated by Obviously Evil characters. In the first game, Riku was suckered into working for Maleficent and kidnapping the Princesses of Heart under the guise it would save Kairi. It was more believable in ‘’Kingdom Hearts I’’ as Riku was only 15 years old and had never left Destiny Islands before. This combined with Riku displaying exploitable personality traits and being rescued from his island’s destruction by Maleficent makes it believable that Maleficent could easily manipulate Riku. In contrast, Terra is 20 years old and shown to be an overall Nice Guy with implicit knowledge of the outside world meaning it’s harder to accept he could as easily fall victim to manipulations. Compounding the issue only reason the game ever musters for Terra to trust Xehanort, is that Master Eraqus also trusts Xehanort which comes across as a flimsy excuse given Xehanort is preaching things that go completely against Eraqus’ teachings and a flashback in the game reveals Eraqus knows about Xehanort’s plans and received his scar from Xehanort, meaning there’s no logical reason for Eraqus to trust him either.
- Kingdom Hearts has become infamous for the copious amounts of characters who have come Back from the Dead or otherwise suffer from a Disney Death. This has been a constant in the series since the first game, with Sora removing his own heart to free Kairi’s, this turns Sora into a heartless but he gets restored to a human a few minutes later. This was seen as passable given the journal entries made it explicitly clear ‘’’how’’’ Sora came back so easily, and it fits with the Lighter and Softer nature of the game, being akin to a Disney fairy tale. As the series went through Cerberus Syndrome however, with later games having numerous casualties later resurrections would be held to higher scrutiny, as it felt less like a natural fit to the story and more arbitrarily [[retcon retconning]] prior games to shoehorn in characters who had natural ends to their storylines such as Maleficent, Axel, and Ansem the Wise, and Organization XIII through increasingly convoluted means. The nadir coming with Kingdom Hearts III' resurrecting Roxas, Namine, Terra Xion, and Kairi. Xion especially stands out given all memories of her existence were erased and the game doesn’t provide a clear explanation as to how the resurrection of somebody who was {Retgone} is possible. Compounding the issue is that the game ends with Sora suffering a Heroic Sacrifice but it rings hollow and feels more like a story dragging out past its conclusion with how resurrections there have been.
- One of the largest criticisms of ‘’Kingdom Hearts III’’ is that the ending has Xehanort get Easily Forgiven by Eraqus’ spirit and granted a peaceful send off to the afterlife. The thing is this is far from the first instance of a character having their misdeeds easily overlooked. Riku, Naminé, Axel, Terra, and Saïx all had caused several misdeeds that came at the expense of others. The difference is these characters had clear moments of conflict that built sympathy and these characters had to deal with the repercussions of their misdeeds and go through hell to make amends for their mistakes. This is in contrast to Xehanort, who dies before he has to answer for any of his sins and showed no remorse for any of his actions beforehand, which included killing Kairi solely to motivate Sora. Furthermore, most examples of forgiveness came from Sora with other characters still expressing towards characters like Riku and Axel for their past crimes, while Xehanort gets exonerated by the person he previously murdered.
Edited by Mariofan99 on Jun 8th 2023 at 7:41:14 AM
Hi there, I'm infrequent visitor of the Edit Banned/Suspension forum
I was told to go there to get help, work out, loosen up, but more importantly, to help this fellow troper (like me) who's eager to enlist the help of you
I'm in desperate need for undoing my unintentionally improper grammar rules usage
The thing is most times, I've learnt English perfectly, but for TV Tropes in general on other the hand, I need help fixing myself
Would you mind may I suggest, just maybe, pretty please, give me some tips on how to use it more wisely
Because for one thing, I really need to do something on how I should improve for the next time
- During the final battle in Issue #61 of Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW), Tangle and Whisper are shown holding hands together with the sunrise making up the lesbian pride flag colors in the background. While it's not confirmed that they're a couple, the two are heavily implied to be LGBT by Ian Flynn and other IDW staff members.
VideoGame.Antonblast
- Shout-Out: Several in the Dynamite Demo.
- One of the combo rankings is "Play It Loud", a clear reference to Nintendo's Play It Out campaign in the mid-to-late '90s.
- Another combo ranking is "Aaahh!!!", which is done in the same style as the logo of Aaahh!!! Real Monsters.
- Annie's pose when jumping from the foreground and background is the same pose Sonic makes on the Sonic Adventure box-art.
YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Tears Of The Kingdom
- Unfortunate Character Design: While the shrines aren't "characters" per se, the designs of the shrine entrances
quickly became infamous on the internet due to them happening to resemble the very infamous (and extremely NSFW) "goatse" image. The fact that the zonal dragon sculptures surrounding it incidentally look a bit like hands when viewed from the front does not help with the comparisons.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:30:51 AM
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- In The Stingray Shuffle, outgoing, assertive, and (generally) rational and logical Jamaican criminal Zigzag finds reggae artists like Jimmy Cliff relaxing while his more high-strung Russian associate can't quite get into it.
- Bait-and-Switch Tyrant: In Shark Skin Suite, Judge Kennesaw Montgomery Boone is introduced as a rabidly pro-corporate judge and the last person Crusading Lawyers Brook and Shelby want presiding over their case against corrupt bankers. However, their brilliance, the blatant stupidity and criminality of the other side, and some of Serge's trivia gradually win Boone over into an extremely Reasonable Authority Figure who enjoys watching the collapse of the corrupt defense team.
- Springtime for Hitler: In Shark Skin Suite, two law firms involved in a lawsuit against crooked bankers are secretly both business partners with the bank, and the plaintiffs' firm tries to throw the case by doing things like leaking information, assigning inexperienced or eccentric lawyers to try the case, keeping good witnesses off the stand and having bad witnesses testify. To their exasperation, the trial still goes in the plaintiffs' favor because their lawyers are far better than anyone realized (and eventually have Vigilante Man Serge providing behind-the-scenes help) and the defense lawyers are complete morons who make one mistake after another.
- Strong Family Resemblance: Sharon from the first and third books and Rachael from Atomic Lobster turn out to be sisters and are described almost exactly the same way. Both are six feet tall and have titillating figures, long blonde curls, full lips, and freckles. Furthermore, there is a ten-year age gap between them and Serge and Coleman meet them ten years apart, causing them to comment on the resemblance (and the two women's similar temperaments and circumstances in life) long before the relationship is revealed.
- In Shark Skin Suite, the prologue shows Serge bragging about how something he wrote (an Amazon review of duct tape) finally got published for the world to see. Coleman points out that technically, a newspaper already published a manifesto Serge wrote.
Serge: Turns out they were printing it in cooperation with the police, asking the public's help to track a serial killer. so that slightly taints its acceptance on literary merits.
- Serge is a Serial Killer prone to wild and rambling tangents and obsessions over minor things, but his keen insight, sympathy for the underdog, and fondness for elaborate death traps are played for awesomeness.
- In The Triggerfish Twist, Sly "The Gentleman Bandit" McGraw is shot by Jim Davenport and falls to the ground while looking in shock at the blood on his shirt. However, no one is described as checking his pulse and while scenes in later books mention Jim has killed multiple McGraws, no one actually mentions a number. This makes it possible to wonder if Sly might have just been injured and sent to prison, especially after his Affably Evil dialogue during his sole meeting with Serge.
- Jamaican gangster Zigzag is seemingly blown up by a grenade after having time for an Oh, Crap! reaction to a Pineapple Surprise, but since the scene only shows other characters reacting to the explosion, it can be nice to hope that he managed to jump clear in time after his Fire-Forged Friends moments with Russian gangster Ivan and efficiency in their pursuit of Serge.
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Rachael from Atomic Lobster is portrayed as the second coming of Token Evil Teammate Sharon Rhodes and has an "obnoxious and morally reprehensible" characterization, but can still feel like a Jerkass Woobie at the very least. However, she is living in dreary circumstances (she is a drug addict and mentions she sometimes does sex work to pay her electric bill) and otherwise minding her own business until she threatens Serge in an argument over an Asshole Victim's money and ends up cajoled into becoming Serge’s companion. Not once in 2-5 months does Serge seriously try to intervene with her pitifully desperate cocaine addiction. He only keeps her around for hate-fueled sex while giving her no respect (although she is just as vitriolic to him, if not more so) and constantly twisting her arm behind her back during arguments. She shows some standards by slapping groom-to-be Trevor for propositioning her on his wedding night. Finally, she only snaps and attacks her companions with a knife after she discovers that the people she's been having such a toxic relationship with killed her beloved sister Sharon ten years earlier, with Serge not showing any willingness to go easy on her despite the justifiable trauma of that revelation and how she is clearly "wired out of her head" at the time.
- The Un-Twist: In Shark Skin Suite, there are constant mentions about how Brook and Shelby's bosses inexplicably assigned inexperienced rookies (albeit talented ones) and a Bunny-Ears Lawyer to the case and keep failng to secure important informatio, while the defense attorney keeps making sinsiter phone calls to an unseen confederate. All of this makes it blatantly obvious that the two law firms are working together and setting up Brook, Shelby, and Ziggy in a Springtime for Hitler ploy long before this is confirmed.
- After lots of speculation about why the victim's body was covered by a tarp, the reason behind it turns out to be a simple one no one thought of: Mr. Perez (who found the body and moved it because he was afraid of the police) covered the body out of Due to the Dead respect to keep any animals from getting at it.
- Archie's sense of respect, politeness, and sympathy toward Mr. and Mrs. Perez for most of the book. When he finds evidence suggesting their daughter (the second victim) was a blackmailer after they'd earlier argued if she even knew enough to blackmail anyone, he doesn't rub it in and tells Mrs. Perez there are multiple interpretations of the evidence. Later, he apologizes to them for not being able to attend their daughter's funeral and sounds sincere.
@ Batman The Brave And The Bold S 1 E 11 Return Of The Fearsome Fangs
The cold open: A time-traveling Batman saves the life of Jonah Hex.
The main story: Batman and the prickly Bronze Tiger must work together to protect a magical artifact at the monastery where they both trained in martial arts from being taken by a cult led by the Terrible Trio.
Tropes
- Chekhov's Skill: Batman is taught to fight blindfolded like the bat he chose his mask for, and these skills help him win a battle after he's turned into a real bat.
- Combat Pragmatist:
- Rival Turned Evil: Bronze Tiger and Fox were the monastery's best students when Batman studied there, and never got along. Fox, now an evil cultist, doesn't spare Batman much attention throughout the episode, but still has bad blood with Bronze Tiger and delights at the idea of subjecting him to a Cruel Mercy or making him Kneel Before Zod (although he does at least agree to spare Bronze Tiger's village in exchange for his rival's apparent submission).
- Weakened by the Light: The magic rituals of the cultists force them to flee whenever the sun comes up, which limits their ability to attack the monastery.
@ Batman The Brave And The Bold S 2 E 6 Clash Of The Metal Men
- Brick Joke: Gas Gang member Helium gives Batman Helium Speech during a fight midway through the episode as a joke. Later, after Batman's final battle with the gang, the others ask him if he's suffering from any side effects of exposure to their powers and he talks in that squeaky voice again.
- Designated Girl Fight: The only female members of each superpowered team briefly fight each other.
- Famed in Story: Magnus and his work into nanotech and robotics are so well known that within minutes of meeting the Metal Men, Batman deduces Magnus is the only person on Earth who could have created them.
Edited by Melinda on Jun 8th 2023 at 6:09:58 AM
I made a post on this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=b9tcd2k65789p1pglrd92nvr&page=986#24636
that go replies. Did I do something wrong?
- Sequel Escalation: Three important aspects:
- The training: whereas in the first film it consists of the normal ACM taught at TOPGUN, here the training program is so tough that even what is taught in TOPGUN is not enough to be ready.
- Ranks: while in the first movie half of the TOPGUN trainees are Lt and the other half LTJG, the commanding officers hold the rank of CDR and no character of higher rank appears physically, in this one all the trainees are already TOPGUN graduates and hold the rank of Lt, while the commanding officers, except for Maverick, are all admirals, to the point that the rank held by more characters, after Lt, is two-star admiral.
- The climax: in the first movie it was small-scale, simply consisting of a dogfight against some enemy MiGs. In this one? An Airstrike Impossible against an enemy base, followed by escaping from the hostile territory by stealing one of the jets, then the obligatory dogfight against the enemy fighters (only this time there are three of them as opposed to six, except all of them are destroyed instead of a few of them bugging out). Also, the hostiles this time are flying the Su-57 "Felons", which are way superior planes than the Hornets (and later a Tomcat) that the protagonists are flying, to the point that one of the reasons why the mission is as hard as it was is that Maverick wanted to avoid fighting them, and he only engaged them when he is simply left with no other options.
Edited by NURJIN915 on Jun 8th 2023 at 11:06:42 AM
@ Melinda
- Springtime for Hitler: In Shark Skin Suite, two law firms involved in a lawsuit against crooked bankers are secretly both business partners with the bank, (comma) and the plaintiffs' firm tries to throw the case by doing things like leaking information, assigning inexperienced or eccentric lawyers to try the case, keeping good witnesses off the stand and having bad witnesses testify. To their exasperation, the trial still goes in the plaintiffs' favor because their lawyers are far better than anyone realized (and eventually have Vigilante Man Serge providing behind the scenes help) and the defense lawyers are complete morons who make one mistake after another.
- Strong Family Resemblance: Sharon from the first and third books and Rachael from Atomic Lobster turn out to be sisters and are described almost exactly the same way. (period, superfluous word - cut) Both are six feet tall and have titillating figures, long blonde curls, full lips, and freckles. Furthermore, there is a ten-year (superfluous word - cut) age gap between them and Serge and Coleman meet them ten years apart, causing them to comment on the resemblance (and the two women's similar temperaments and circumstances in life) long before the relationship is revealed.
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Rachael from Atomic Lobster is portrayed as the second coming of Token Evil Teammate Sharon Rhodes and has an "obnoxious and morally reprehensible" characterization, but can still feel like a Jerkass Woobie at the very least. However, she is living in dreary circumstances (she is a drug addict and mentions she sometimes does sex work to pay her electric bill) and otherwise minding her own business until she threatens Serge in an argument over an Asshole Victim's money and ends up cajoled into becoming Serge’s companion. Not once in 2-5 months does Serge seriously try to intervene with her pitifully desperate cocaine addiction. He only keeps her around for hate-fueled sex while giving her no respect (superfluous word - cut) (although she is just as vitriolic to him, if not more so) and constantly twisting her arm behind her back during arguments. She shows some standards by slapping groom-to-be Trevor for propositioning her on his wedding night. Finally, she only snaps and attacks her companions after she discovers that the people she's been having such a toxic relationship with killed her beloved sister Sharon ten years earlier, with Serge not showing any willingness to go easy on her despite the justifiable trauma of that revelation and how she is clearly "wired out of her head" at the time.
- The Un-Twist: In Shark Skin Suite, there are constant mentions about how Brook and Shelby's bosses inexplicably assigned inexperienced rookies (albeit talented ones) and a Bunny-Ears Lawyer to the case and keep failng to secure important information, while the defense attorney keeps making sinsiter phone calls to an unseen confederate. All of this makes it blatantly obvious that the two law firms are working together and setting up Brook, Shelby, and Ziggy in a Springtime for Hitler ploy long before this is confirmed.
- Archie's sense of respect, politeness, and sympathy toward Mr. and Mrs. Perez for most of the book. When he finds evidence suggesting their daughter (the second victim) was a blackmailer after they'd earlier argued if she even know enough to blackmail anyone, he doesn't rub it in and tells Mrs. Perez there are multiple interpretations of the evidence. Later, he apologizes to them for not being able to attend their daughter's funeral and sounds sincere.
Batman The Brave And The Bold S 1 E 11 Return Of The Fearsome Fangs
The main story: Batman and the prickly Bronze Tiger must work together to protect a magical artifact at the monastery where they both trained in martial arts from being taken by a cult led by the Terrible Trio.
Tropes
- Combat Pragmatist:
- After Wong Fei beats the opponents besieging the monastery (move text) in fair fights night after night, Fox shoots him in the back with a poison dart.
- Wong Fei taught his students to be willing to cheat in a hopeless battle, which Batman uses against Bronze Tiger while recruiting him, (comma) and Bronze Tiger later uses against Fox.
- Rival Turned Evil: Bronze Tiger and Fox were the monastery's best students when Batman studied there, and never got along. Fox, now an evil cultist, doesn't spare Batman much attention throughout the episode, (comma) but still has bad blood with Bronze Tiger and delights in the idea of subjecting him to a Cruel Mercy or making him Kneel Before Zod (although he does at least agree to spare Bronze Tiger's village in exchange for his rival's apparent submission).
- Weakened by the Light: The magic rituals of the cultists force them to flee whenever the sun comes up, which limits their ability to attack the monastery.
For Creator Breakdown
- Unico is considered to be one of Osamu Tezuka's most emotional and bittersweet works compared to Astro Boy and Kimba. The series tone is very melancholy with the protagonist having a tragic life, and finding ways to cheer up his friends and others. This is due to the manga being written during a darker period in Tezuka's life during mid to late 1970s, with the manga being worked on the same time as his MW manga. Unico actually represents Tezuka's emotional state and mood during this period. Fortunately the manga balances this out with a central theme about kindness, empathy, and love to give readers/viewers a feeling of hope and positivity. With resilience and perseverance being a key character aspect with Unico himself.
Edited by brb1006 on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:41:27 AM
SAS Malko Linge works for the CIA in order to fund the rebuilding of his stately estate in Austria. Linge could also qualify as an Impoverished Patrician: "SAS" is the initialism for Son altesse sérénissime, "His Serene Highness", as an Austrian prince.
^ If SAS is his title, it should just go before his name, not be "of SAS". Also, it shouldn't be in italics because that's how we identify work names.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 8th 2023 at 7:32:11 AM
By a similar measure, <- comma the Happy Ending Override goes back to Kingdom Hearts II...These nuances are absent with later instances of the trope, <- comma instead...
A common criticism of Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep is that Terra comes off as Too Dumb to Live and a Horrible Judge of Character for falling prey to the manipulation of several Disney villains and ‘’’especially’’’ Master Xehanort. But Terra isn’t the first Keyblade wielder (release-wise anyway) to be manipulated by Obviously Evil characters. In the first game, Riku was suckered into working for Maleficent and kidnapping the Princesses of Heart because of the lie that it would save Kairi. It was more believable in Kingdom Hearts I, <- comma as Riku was only 15 years old and had never left the Destiny Islands before. This, <- comma combined with Riku displaying exploitable personality traits and being rescued from his island’s destruction by Maleficent, <- comma makes it believable that Maleficent could easily manipulate Riku. By contrast, Terra is 20 years old and shown to be an overall Nice Guy with implicit knowledge of the outside world, <- comma meaning it’s harder to accept he could as easily fall victim to manipulations. Compounding the issue, <- comma the only reason the game ever musters for Terra to trust Xehanort <- no comma is that Master Eraqus also trusts Xehanort, <- comma which comes across as a flimsy excuse given Xehanort is preaching things that go completely against Eraqus’ teachings and a flashback in the game reveals Eraqus knows about Xehanort’s plans and received his scar from Xehanort, meaning there’s no logical reason for Eraqus to trust him either.
Kingdom Hearts has become infamous for the copious amounts of characters who have come Back from the Dead or otherwise suffer from a Disney Death. This has been a constant in the series since the first game, with Sora removing his own heart to free Kairi’s, which turns him into a heartless, <- comma but he gets restored to a human a few minutes later. This was seen as passable, <- comma given the journal entries made it explicitly clear how Sora came back so easily, and it fits with the Lighter and Softer nature of the game, being akin to a Disney fairy tale. As the series went through Cerberus Syndrome however, with later games having numerous casualties, <- comma later resurrections would be held to higher scrutiny, as it felt less like a natural fit to the story and more arbitrarily [[retcon retconning]] prior games to shoehorn in characters who had natural ends to their storylines, <- comma such as Maleficent, Axel, and Ansem the Wise, and Organization XIII through increasingly convoluted means. The nadir came with Kingdom Hearts III, <- delete extra apostrophe and comma resurrecting Roxas, Namine, Terra Xion, and Kairi. Xion especially stands out, <- comma given that all memories of her existence were erased and the game doesn’t provide a clear explanation as to how the resurrection of somebody who was {Retgone} is possible. Compounding the issue is that the game ends with Sora suffering a Heroic Sacrifice, <- comma but it rings hollow and feels more like a story dragging out past its conclusion with how many resurrections there have been.
One of the largest criticisms of Kingdom Hearts III is that the ending has Xehanort get Easily Forgiven by Eraqus’ spirit and granted a peaceful send off to the afterlife. The thing is this is far from the first instance of a character having their misdeeds easily overlooked. Riku, Naminé, Axel, Terra, and Saïx all had committed several misdeeds that occurred at the expense of others. The difference is these characters had clear moments of conflict that built sympathy and they had to deal with the repercussions of their misdeeds and go through hell to make amends for their mistakes. This is in contrast to Xehanort, who dies before he has to answer for any of his sins and showed no remorse for any of his actions beforehand, which included killing Kairi solely to motivate Sora. Furthermore, most examples of forgiveness came from Sora, <- comma with other characters still expressing anger towards characters like Riku and Axel for their past crimes, while Xehanort gets exonerated by the person he previously murdered.
@zahin4us
Please post some work or trope examples that you would like to add to TV Tropes. I or someone else will proofread them and provide corrections to their English.
For example, if I were to do this with what you posted, it would look something like this:
Hi there, I'm an infrequent visitor to the Edit Banned/Suspension forum. <- period
I was told to come here to get help, work out, loosen up, but more importantly, to help a troper like me, who's eager to enlist your help. <- period
I'm in desperate need of help in correcting my unintentionally improper grammar rules usage. <- period
The thing is, <- comma most times, I've learnt English perfectly, but for TV Tropes in general, <- comma on the other hand, I need help correcting my work.
Would you mind may I suggest, just maybe, pretty please, giving me some tips on how to use English more wisely. <- period
Because for one thing, I really need to do something on how I should improve for the next time. <- period
Edited by Arivne on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:17:12 AM
@Fate Stay Who wrote:
"I made a post on this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=b9tcd2k65789p1pglrd92nvr&page=986#24636
that got no replies. Did I do something wrong?"
^ I corrected that post here
.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:05:06 AM
...the rank held by more characters <- no comma after Lt <- no comma is two-star admiral.
...this time are flying the Su-57 "Felons", which are planes way superior to the Hornets...
Edited by Arivne on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:10:49 AM
@brb1006
The series tone is very melancholy, <- comma with the protagonist having a tragic life <- no comma and finding ways to cheer up his friends and others. This is due to the manga being written during a darker period in Tezuka's life during the mid to late 1970s, with the manga being worked on at the same time as his MW manga. Unico actually represents Tezuka's emotional state and mood during this period. Fortunately, <- comma the manga balances this out with a central theme about kindness, empathy, and love to give readers/viewers a feeling of hope and positivity, <- comma with resilience and perseverance being key character aspects of Unico himself.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:14:57 AM
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Maisy (42nd Hunger Games)
- Badass and Child Duo: Harshly deconstructed. She is only thirteen and is taken on as an ally by the older and tougher Eamon, but only because he can make use of her small size and attract sponsors with her cuteness.
- Tears of Fear: She cries for two straight minutes while being made to climb over a fiery pit to get supplies.
- You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: As soon as she gets the supplies Eamon was unable to get himself, he coldly walks away as she is left hanging from a ledge above a fiery pit and feels her fingers slipping.
Beth (42nd Hunger Games)
- Kill It with Fire: She has to navigate The Precarious Ledge to get at supplies in the middle of a giant furnace, and almost makes it before the Gamemakers cause a tremor that makes her fall into the fire.
- Street Urchin: She has been picking pockets since she lost her first tooth and makes it far into the Games, apparently due to her speed and stealth.
56th Hunger Games Female Tribute
- Damsel out of Distress: She is taken to the nest of an eagle mutt, presumably to be eaten, but kills it instead.
- Improvised Weapon User: She kills a mutt by grabbing a stick, snapping it in half, and ramming a jagged end through the creature’s eye.
- What Happened to the Mouse?: She is never mentioned after her fight with the eagle mutt, but Connor is the tribute who makes it home that year.
- Wrong Side of the Tracks: The nest of an eagle mutt is bigger than the room she sleep in back home, implying a fair amount of poverty even by District standards.
37th Hunger Games Male Tribute
- Category Traitor: He joins the Career pack and is willing to fight another tribute to compete for the one spot they're offering.
- Cruel and Unusual Death: He is digested alive by a mutated venus flytrap
- Fragile Speedster: He is a high-scoring tribute and a track star back home who fights a burly boy from District 11 for about half an hour while dodging blows and getting in some minor hits, but he isn't able to take down his opponent and eventually the Careers get bored enough to interrupt the fight.
- The Voiceless: He has no dialogue.
Rando (42nd Hunger Games)
- Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Or at least a few blood cells of gold. Despite his lack of qualms about cutting down other tributes, he does feel guilty as Eamon chats apologetically and familiarly with him during their final duel. He hesitates to strike a killing blow, and Eamon uses that hesitation to kill him.
- Sickening Slaughterhouse: He kills lambs in the farms of District 10 and sees killing people as little different.
37th Hunger Games Female Tribute
- Action Survivor: Whether by luck, speed, or intelligence, she manages to survive a Cornucopia run that claims fourteen lives despite being from the Butt-Monkey district.
- Yank the Dog's Chain: She is either the only outlier tribute or only one of three to survive the Cornucopia run (a potential math error on the writer's part makes it unclear if there were two other survivors who made the run for the supplies and two tributes who ran for the jungle rather than going for the supplies or just three non-Career survivors in total counting her). However, all she escapes with is a package of crackers, and the Career pack tracks her down within a couple of days.
44th Hunger Games Male Tribute
- Delicious Distraction: He ignores his last three opponents to munch down on food at a Cornucopia feast, although this is justified since all of them have been starving for days (his opponents ignore him to gorge themselves as well).
- The Juggernaut: He is big, fast, and able to blow through dense jungle foliage while racing for an antidote to poison. Claudius even compares him to a juggernaut.
Heria Whistler
The eldest of Jerin's younger sisters, who is very willful and Wise Beyond Their Years
- Hot-Blooded: She is quick to grumble about things she dislikes or tattle on sisters who annoy her, spends a solid minute swearing after one of her younger sisters won't let her inside without a password, and eagerly grabs her rifle and marches off to investigate when she hears suspicious noises in the nearby woods.
- Pragmatic Hero: She is a decent person, but she's not above snooping through guests' belongings to learn more about them and mainly argues in favor of rescuing Odelia due to the legal penalties the family might face for failing to save her.
- Small Role, Big Impact: She disappears from the story after Jerin leaves for the capital barely a quarter of the way through book, but she is the one to rescue Odelia from the raiders, bringing the Whistlers and the Royals into contact and setting the plot into motion.
- Life Saving Misfortune: Three of the four older sisters who survived the opera bombing all only did so due to circumstances that would have otherwise been completely unpleasant: Odelia being grounded for a minor act of misbehavior, Trini being bedridden after Keifer beat her, and Ren getting upset because the opera performance was based on a dark moment in her family's history and running outside crying.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The Wakecliff inheritance had the potential to be a major subplot but is dropped after the chapter in which it’s introduced, doing little besides having a subtle Chekhov's Classroom comment that relates to the Porters’ Inheritance Murder scheme. This feels very frustrating, since it's heavily implied that someone murdered the family, the princesses adjudicating and investigating the case could have given a better idea of their leadership capabilities, and the claimants brought up the interesting question of whether male-line cousins should inherit over sisters-in-law (and whether the claims of sisters-in-law should depend on fertility) in a matriarchal Lady Land society.
Edited by Melinda on Jun 8th 2023 at 4:13:36 AM
@ Melinda
The Victors Project: Fallen Tributes and District Citizens
Maisy (42nd Hunger Games)
- Badass and Child Duo: Harshly deconstructed. She is only thirteen and is taken on as an ally by the older and tougher Eamon, but only because he can make use of her small size and attract sponsors with her cuteness.
- You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: As soon as she gets the supplies Eamon was unable to get himself, he coldly walks away as she is left hanging from a ledge above a fiery pit and feels her fingers slipping.
44th Hunger Games Male Tribute
- Delicious Distraction: He ignores his last three opponents to munch down on food at a Cornucopia feast, although this is justified since all of them have been starving for days (his opponents ignore him to gorge themselves as well).
Heria
The eldest of Jerin's younger sisters, who is very wilful and Wise Beyond Their Years
- Hot-Blooded: She is quick to grumble about things she dislikes or tattle on sisters who annoy her, spends a solid minute swearing after one of her younger sisters won't let her inside without a password, and eagerly grabs her rifle and marches off to investigate when she hears suspicious noises in the nearby woods.
- Small Role, Big Impact: She disappears from the story after Jerin leaves for the capital a bit over a quarter (superfluous word - cut) of the way through the book, but she is the one to rescue Odelia from the raiders, bringing the Whistlers and the Royals into contact and setting the plot into motion.
- Life Saving Misfortune: Three of the four older sisters who survived the opera bombing all only did so due to circumstances that would have otherwise been completely unpleasant: Odelia being grounded for a minor act of misbehavior, Trini being bedridden after Keifer beat her, and Ren getting upset because the opera performance was based on a dark moment in her family's history and running outside crying.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The Wakecliff inheritance had the potential to be a major subplot but is dropped after the chapter in which it's introduced, doing little besides having a subtle Chekhov's Classroom comment that relates to the Porters' Inheritance Murder scheme. This feels very frustrating, since it's heavily implied that someone murdered the family, the princesses adjudicating and investigating the case could have given a better idea of their leadership capabilities, and the claimants brought up the interesting question of whether male-line cousins should inherit over sisters-in-law (and whether the claims of sisters-in-law should depend on fertility) in a matriarchal Lady Land society.

For Suicide, Not Murder Anime And Manga:
Edited by Minorica on Oct 30th 2023 at 12:59:30 AM
"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."