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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
Page 894 @Tylerbear 12
...got as far in development as for 3D renders...mustache being produced...
Nowadays, when most people think of Dream Works...
...replicate the giant cannon from...However, given that the cannon forms a part...
Page 894 @Reviewer 2016
...she would sell them to a sketchy Russian circus when they stop making her money.
Page 894 @jOSEFdelaville
...nice and jovial man, <- comma but...it's revealed he's a villain, <- comma and...
He's the last Pathacelce alive, <- comma though he's been making clones of himself.
^ You might have meant to write "...making a clone of himself." I can't be sure.
You already posted the Rayman 2: Trivia and Vocaloid: Referenced by examples.
For future examples of Delightful Dragon:
- In American Dragon: Jake Long, aside from the Dark Dragon and Councilor Chang, every other dragon in the series is a benevolent protector of the Magical World.
For the Heartwarming Page for the Disney Theme Parks
- In 1980, both Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm were both celebrating their own anniversaries. In a one time only decision, both parks decided to create special magazine advertisements cross-promoting each other's parks to honor their rivals anniversaries. Knott's created a magazine ad on January 20, 1980 titled "The Place Next Door Has Mice" honoring Disneyland's 25th Anniversary. Seven months later, Disney created a magazine illustration showing Mickey Mouse and a prospector (representing Knott's) together to honor Knott's Berry Farm's 60th Anniversary.
Edited by brb1006 on Jan 24th 2023 at 4:31:47 AM
Thanks, Arivne.
YMMV.Winnie The Pooh/Main.Pop Culture Holiday
- Pop Culture Holiday: Fans of Winnie-the-Pooh celebrate "National Winnie the Pooh Day" on January 18, the birthdate of Pooh's creator, A. A. Milne. The holiday is also officially acknowledged by Disney.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Jan 25th 2023 at 3:11:14 AM
The Hohenzollern Empire
The Savage South: Most people In-Universe consider Pengali as this one way or another, between Everything Trying to Kill You, the locals, the fact that most of it is a giant Thirsty Desert, the list goes on.
Grim Up North: Part 4, The socialist republic of the Soviet Commune, northernmost country of Europe, is a frozen wasteland, with little in the way of natural resources. However, it does have a few advantages over the rest of the world: Oil, and that it's so cold and inhospitable that even the Angeloi struggle to survive there. As a result of the harsh conditions, the Russians developed more advanced technology at a slightly faster pace than most other nations, since that was the only way to survive the environment.
Edited by OrrorSANESS on Jan 25th 2023 at 3:22:15 AM
The Hohenzollern Empire
Deep South: Japan has both a Deep South and a Deep North with the Kansai and Tohoku regions respectively: just like in Real Life! These stereotypes are implied to be even more pronounced due to Japan being split into 2 different nations for many decades, one Christian half, and one Shinto half.
In Kansai (save for Kyoto), people are stereotyped as lacking in manners, having a funny accent, greedy, hot-headed, alcoholic, gluttonous and perverted. While these are partially derived from the famed rivalry between Tokyo and Osaka, some of them have a kernel of truth, such as Edo-era society aspiring to the samurai culture of Edo, which valued reserve and dignity, and considered the more commercial-minded Osakans' focus on business to be rude and uncouth and thus below themselves.
In Tohoku (especially the Aomori prefecture), people are stereotyped as being poor, not too bright or even inbred, and having a (different) funny accent, while the weather is almost constantly rainy and it snows real hard in the winter.
In Mexico, this could be inverted as the Deep North, as Mexican Northerners have similar stereotypes as the Deep South trope, except they tend to be more outspoken than their countrymen, just like in Real Life.
Played With when it comes to the Roman Reich. Simultaneously both Averted and Inverted at the same time when it comes to the Reich as a whole, where it's more like the Deep Northwest than anything truly "Southern". The Deep "South" (Really Deep Northwest) of The Reich includes Austria, Bavaria, Helvetia (Switzerland), Italia (Italy), Brittania (England), and Gallia (France). All of these provinces (and sometimes regions) have similar conservative overtones and steryotypes that typically are seen in the Deep South trope. Surprisingly, it's Played Absolutely Straight when only taking into account Roman Europe when you realize that Italia, which is also the Reich's version of the Only in Florida trope when being outspoken about the weird people in Italia, is also in Southern Europe. It's implied that Rome is the Only in Miami trope due to the city being the most populated city in Italia, just like Miami is the most populated city in Florida, as well as Rome being the city where Rome... began as an entity, before even the Reich was formed into existence.
Edited by OrrorSANESS on Jan 25th 2023 at 3:39:58 AM
@ Jeremiah
- Villainous Old Soldier Major Quantrell (Michael Rooker) from "Firewall" is probably the most interesting Valhalla Sector loyalist in the show by far. He has a rich and bitter dynamic with Markus and the other original Thunder Mountain survivors, being the former executive officer of the base, who abandoned them and is willing to kill them in the present and ends up as their Defiant Captive. Consequently, it can be disappointing that he only gets one appearance.
- Valhalla Sector collaborator Davis and his lieutenants from "Strange Attractors" seem to get a Mook Carry Over after the Western Alliance runs then out of Millhaven and they talk about joining the Army of Daniel. Their knowledge of Millhaven (which Jeremiah is put in charge of running) and feud with the main cast could have made them interesting recurring Sims subordinates, but they are never seen again.
- Robert Chestnut from “Links in a Chain of Honor”. He is the president of the Absurdly Powerful Student Council, an ex-safety patrol member, a secret Caring Gardener, and someone pressured to live up the legacy of his older brothers while also pressuring his younger brother (who he does have some affectionate moments with) the same way. He could have been a good semi-regular, but only appears in one episode as the culprit, with the series never even exploring the fallout of his actions and exposure.
@Fillmore Field Trip Of The Just
- Jerkass Has a Point: Theldin is a smug and jealous kid who delights in seeing Eric in trouble and refuses to acknowledge his Hidden Depths. Nonetheless, he has a point about how trying to emulate Eric is having a negative effect on their mutual crush Alexandria and is making her act against her true character.
- In the climax of "The Shreds Fell Like Snowflakes", among the reasons the heroes start correctly suspecting Frank's sister are that she was the only other person who knew they were staking out the science fair and interfered with their surveilance. However, she wasn't around when they talked about stakng out the science fair and also was never seen at the science fair except as the hooded figure Fillmore chases.
- Pom-Pom Girl:
- Recurring cheerleaders Maryanne Greene and Cheri Shotwell are a bit ditzy but fairly nice and seem dedicated to cheering.
- Maryanne's friend Alexis from "Codename: Electric Haircut" is another cheerleader who everyone speaks highly of but who has mysteriously disappeared after returning to her old role as a helpful computer geek, although she finds a balance between the two lifestyles at the end of the episode.
- Lorraine Almaden from "Nappers Never Sleep" was an example of the trope, but quit cheering due to having only taken it up to hang out with her former friend Bianca, who turns out to be more of a Cruel Cheerleader.
- Glomp: She can be quick to lean forward and hug people after getting good news.
- Hypocritical Humor: She prides herself on supporting environmental causes but also uses hairspray, which is a cause of air pollution.
- Lovable Alpha Bitch: She is a somewhat shallow girl involved in lots of school activities, but she is generally polite and helpful to Fillmore and Ingrid. She also congratulates a classmate over his petition to save his family's shop from being condemned in "The Shreds Fell Like Snowflakes" and shows horror when someone destroys the petition.
- Perpetual Smiler: She smiles a lot in nearly all of her scenes, although sometimes it can seem a little forced.
- Bespectacled Cutie: She is a socially awkward, bespectacled middle-schooler who can barely go ten seconds trying to talk like a delinquent without nervously apologizing. She is the Villain of the Week, but feels horrible about it and comes across as more misguided than malicious.
- Chekhov's Gunman: She has occasional background scenes, but only gets personality and plot relevance in the final episode, where she is the culprit.
- Jaywalking Will Ruin Your Life: Her efforts to nonfatally poison the tarantula her boyfriend has to take care of (which is just meant to get the tarantula sent away), nearly kills the spider after she misjudges the dose. After being caught, she gets suspended for a month, followed by detention for two months, being banned from school activities for a year and two years of community service.
- Big Sister Instinct: It is implied that she is younger than Frank or that they are twins, but she is sad and concerned about how depressed her brother has gotten since his expulsion from the safety patrol, even though she admits that they had their share of squabbles in the past. This turns into a case of Knight Templar Big Sister in the climax, though, when she tries to lock Vallejo in the dungeon of her ice castle for twenty minutes so he will miss a meeting and be kicked off the safety patrol, just like Frank was after Vallejo refused to help him. She also locks Frank up with Vallejo when he tries to intervene, insisting he will thank her later even after Frank denies this.
- Informed Ability: She is the only drama club member who is never seen rehearsing for a play about Principal Folsom, although she does a good job of lying to the heroes.
- Jerkass to One: She seems genuinely friendly and well-meaning to everyone except Vallejo, who she blames for ruining Frank’s life and would be happy to see undergo the same misfortune. She also nearly runs over Fillmore and Ingrid with a snowplow in the climax, but this seems to have been accidental.
- Young Entrepreneur: She has a garden full of ice sculptures that she has made over the winter and charges people $10 to tour it, with the business being a profitable one.
- The model train saboteur from “Next Stop Armageddon” can feel sad given how he wanted to stay close to his friends, even if he was sabotaging their collections.
- Rooting for the Empire: About half of the villains have sympathetic (or at least understandable) motives and engaging personalities and face serious punishments if they are caught (as best shown in the finale), which can sometimes make it tempting to root for the Safety Patrol to fail their investigation.
Hello Down There is a 1969 adventure-comedy about Fred Miller, the inventor of an underwater home that he wants to market commercially. His employer is dismissive of the idea and threatens to scrap the project and fire Fred unless he proves that he and his family can live in it for 30 days. The timing of this is problematic, as his children are in a rock band on the verge of making it big. Consequently, they invite their band mates to take part in the experiment and also draw unwanted scrutiny from the record executive who wants to arrange a tour as soon as possible.
Janet Leigh, Richard Dreyfuss, Charlotte Rae, Roddy McDowall, and Merv Griffin (as himself) appear in the film.
Tropes:
- Informed Attribute: Early scenes make a big deal about Mrs. Miller being afraid of water, but she is remarkably calm and well-adjusted throughout the film while living in an underwater house with many portholes.
- Leg Focus: One scene shows record company owner Mr. Ashbury lying on the floor listening to a record, while also showing the legs (and nothing else) of his associate Dr. Wells as she dances to the music.
- Living Prop: Tommie Miller has little dialogue and characterization compared to his sister and band mates.
- Master Computer: Dr. Wells has a large computer that can accurately predict the consumer response to any rock-and-roll song that her boss is considering producing.
- Meaningful Name: Mel Cheever has an assistant named Jonah and comments that it feels like a good omen now that they are spending three days underwater in the belly of something bigger (a dredging submarine rather than a whale in this case). He quickly regrets that analogy after learning what a klutz his Jonah is.
- Threatening Shark: A group of sharks menace the house at one point, although they aren’t portrayed as being deliberately predatory. They are attracted by the trash the family dumps (the film was made before most environmental regulations), and when Fred tries to divert them away by spraying a shark-attracting chemical nearby, the current carries it back to the house and the sharks follow.
- Team Pet: The dolphins Duke and Duchess and seal Gladys frequently visit the house and get along well with the family, with the dolphins having some life-saving moments.
- Totally Radical: Recording magnate Nate Ashburry, Myrtle Ruth the housekeeper, and Merv Griffin use a lot of sixties slang like “gassy” and “establishment”, while the teenagers are surprisingly subdued in this regard.
Merv Griffin: So now you music lovers, fasten your seat belts, for the first time anywhere, anyplace, a brand new rock group called "The Green Onion", and their manager, Nate Ashbury, tells me he is stoned on these shouters, that they're mellow yellow, turned on and groovy and the lead chick is so wigged out, she's out of sight. Not only that, I hear they're very good.
- Action Comics 505 and 506: Orn-Zu is a Kryptonian scientist who predicted the planet's destruction and was mocked for his ideas. He invented an invincible robot with hypnotic powers, the Jorlan, to befriend Krypton's children, kindap them from their families, and spirit them to safety before Krypton's destruction. The plan failed, and a Secretly Dying Orn-Zu was sent to the Phantom Zone. Decades later, he learns that the Jorlan has reached Earth and, due to its programming, is trying to abduct Earth's children in a manner that will inadvertently kill them. Orn-Zu convinces Superman to release him to stop the Jorlan, but then reveals that the only way to do so is to frame Superman for killing him as his illness overcomes him. This causes the Jorlan to abandon its original mission to avenge its creator, with a dying Orn-Zu apologizing to a sympathetic Superman for potentially condeming him to being chased across the universe for the rest of his life to distract the Jorlan from its mission.
Edited by Melinda on Jan 26th 2023 at 7:09:23 AM
The Hohenzollern Empire.
Micro Monarchy: Part 1. The Roman Empire in the bad ending eventually became one, having also started out as one. By 1453, the Empire was reduced from one of the world's largest empires up to that point to only Constantinople. Part 5 provides the context for what happened. The Worm corrupted the world, making it so bad that Wilhelm started the apocalypse just to save the Empire, but it wasn't enough. Wilhelm would have died if it hadn't been for his brother Constantine. When Wilhelm saw what happened, Wilhelm then travelled back in time and helped with the creation of the Reich, creating the timeline we know today.
Edited by OrrorSANESS on Jan 25th 2023 at 3:41:24 AM
Micro Monarchy: In Parts 3-5, in mainland Asia there's Bhutan, just like in Real Life! Bhutan is a Meritocratic Monarchy surrounded by bigger nations like India and China. As a result, Bhutan is a micronation in comparison to the other nations surrounding it.
Edited by OrrorSANESS on Jan 25th 2023 at 3:45:15 AM
Micro Monarchy: The Yogyakarta Sultanate
. Not only is it a monarchy within Srivijaya (an Empire) that exists even before the era of colonialism, but it also has a Principality (Pakualaman
) within the monarchy itself. The Sultan of Yogyakarta and Prince of Pakualaman serve as Governor and Vice-Governor of Yogyakarta, respectively. Both positions are hereditary, making it the only province in Indonesia whose Governor and Vice-Governor are hereditary rather than elected.
Edited by OrrorSANESS on Jan 24th 2023 at 4:55:28 AM
Offer Void in Nebraska: Enforced in Part 5, as Jerusalem tends to get a lot of this since The New '30s with pay TV programs due to the ruling party moving towards Jerusalemite Ultranationalist governance, despite there already being separate feeds of channels for Jerusalem, Scandinavia and the rest of Europe. Sometimes, movie premieres advertised on HBO or Manhua on Manhuamax will bear the footnote "Not available in Jerusalem and Scandinavia" when they could've chosen to just omit advertising the premiere on the feed altogether. It's as if they advertise the show-that-you-will-not-get-to-see just to rub it in the face of the viewers...
Edited by OrrorSANESS on Jan 25th 2023 at 3:43:24 AM
For future examples of tropes in The Loud House:
- Tender Tomboyishness, Foul Femininity:
- Luna, the family rock star, is a gentle Cool Big Sis to Lincoln, whereas Lori, the family Phoneaholic Teenager, constantly threatens Lincoln with violence.
- Lana is a caring Animal Lover who enjoys Filthy Fun, whereas Lola is a bratty pageant queen who wants to rule the world.
- Inverted with Lynn Junior and Leni. Lynn Junior is a Jerk Jock obsessed with sports, whereas Leni is a Kind Hearted Simpleton obsessed with fashion.
Edited by gamerzillasaurusrex2000 on Jan 25th 2023 at 9:05:54 AM
- That One Sidequest: In this strip
, the Dragonborn in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is loading up game mods, unaware that her partner Cent has started "No Stone Unturned" for the Thieves Guild until the text pops up.
I have not touched Skyrim since the 360 days so if anyone is willing to correct me/give this more context, add some corrections.
Lanfeust: Character (Hébus)
- Genius Bruiser: Trolls are supposed to be Dumb Muscles, but he sometime shows trait of intelligence unusually seen from other trolls, all while still being a strong fighter like his peers.
- When the heroes are attacked by bandits, Hébus pretends to die after taking a few arrows in the back. Then he gets up for a suprise attack and slaughter the thugs. When Cixi angrily asks Hébus why he pretended to be killed, he points out that if he haden't done it, the bandits would have shot arrows until every hero gets killed for real, Hébus himself included since his Super-Toughness does not make him outright invincible.
- He spent two days observing the surrounding of Thanos's pirate base where Nicolède and C'ian are taken prisonner so he could launch a strategic assault. Any other troll would have blindly rushed to attack the moment the water was low enough to access the pirates' lair.
- He quickly learns how to operate a spaceship despite coming from a planet with medieval-level technologies. This allows him to take part in space battles.
- Instant Expert:
- He instantly knows how to operate a spaceship after trying it once.
- It only takes him a few hours to learn how to read.
- Wrench Whack: Early in Lanfeust of the Stars, he buys a huge wrench to use as a blunt weapon.
Where's Waldo: Referenced by
- Waldo makes a background cameo in a Lanfeust comic.
- Fleeing the Complex has a hidden stick figure based on Waldo named "Waldorf".
Adiboo: Magical Playland: Trivia
- Completely Different Title: The original French title of the game is simply Adibou 2.
For future examples of tropes in Zathura:
- Two Guys and a Girl: The Budwing siblings: Walter, Danny, and Lisa. Walter, The Leader, is very callous towards Danny and blames him for everything, from their parents' divorce to stealing their father's exclusive attention away from him. Danny, The Lancer, just wants to play a magical board-game with Walter and not get mistreated by him all the time. Lisa mediates the two brothers whenever their father is away by breaking up their constant fights with one another.
Edited by gamerzillasaurusrex2000 on Jan 27th 2023 at 10:41:00 AM
@gamerzillasaurusrex2000
Luna, the family rock star, is a gentle Cool Big Sis to Lincoln, <- comma whereas...
Lana is a caring Animal Lover who enjoys Filthy Fun, <- comma whereas...
Lynn Junior is a Jerk Jock obsessed with sports, <- comma whereas...
Two Guys and a Girl: The Budwing siblings: Walter, Danny, and Lisa.
^ Could you read the Laconic and Description for Two Guys and a Girl? There are a number of specific requirements for an example to fit that trope, not just "two male characters and one female character". Without that information, this is a Zero-Context Example.
^ For example, the Laconic says "A Power Trio with The Hero versus The Lancer, mediated by (and sometimes fighting over) the one girl in the trio." You didn't say anything about that. The Description has more information.
Edited by Arivne on Jan 25th 2023 at 8:20:13 AM
@brb1006
In a one-time-only decision, each park decided...cross-promoting each other to...their rival's anniversary. Knott's...25th anniversary. Seven...60th anniversary.
^ The phrase "each other's parks" refers to the corporate entities that own the parks, not the parks themselves, which is why I changed it.

For future examples of tropes in American Dragon: Jake Long: