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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

The thread is for help and feedback on your own suggested edits.

If you want help correcting other people's edits (e.g., if you find a page which seems to have grammar problems but want a second opinion, or you don't feel able to fix it by yourself) then that's off-topic here, but we have a separate Grammar Police cleanup thread that can provide assistance.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19176: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:29:57 AM

How many points is that for monotrematum now, mods?

Edited by NOYB on Jul 21st 2022 at 8:30:56 AM

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19177: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:34:18 AM

I have fixed the issues which were pointed out with two exceptions. Can somone explaing the "uses" thing ? Also i see no need for average to be added to random Joe.

Edited by Risa123 on Jul 21st 2022 at 5:35:48 PM

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19178: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:39:40 AM

You know, this actually could be a fun game if, you know, I wasn't fighting for my chance to edit the wiki in spite of my multiple efforts to clean my mispellings in the past.

Maybe I''ll post new edits here for review?

Edited by monotrematum on Jul 21st 2022 at 8:40:10 AM

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19179: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:52:15 AM

@Risa 123 1) He finds more than one use for his experience, so "uses" plural. 2) "Joe" isn't an expression, the expression is "average Joe". Although "random Joe" could work as a variation on "average Joe". You also put in a possessive apostrophe ("Joe's") when it should have just been "Joes", plural, no possessive.

@monotrematum If you're uncertain of those edits and want to make sure before publishing them, I don't see how it could hurt.

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19180: Jul 21st 2022 at 9:02:49 AM

[up] I removed the possesive so now it should be ok. Concerning the plural my logic is that. He uses his experience with one of those situations not all of them.

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19181: Jul 21st 2022 at 9:29:20 AM

That Thing Is Not My Child!

Folder->Video Games

  • Dead by Daylight has Max Thompson Jr., aka the Hillbilly. His parents kept him locked up in a bricked up room when he was born a disfigured freak, only ever calling him "Boy" and even telling him to his face he should have died in the womb, only letting him out to kill the livestock. Their mistreatment of him is what leads to Max slaughtering his parents, several deputies and the sheriff before being drawn into the Entity's realm.

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19182: Jul 21st 2022 at 10:39:36 AM

How many points do I have now? Two of my latest posts have been deemed acceptable, waiting for final review.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#19183: Jul 21st 2022 at 10:40:38 AM

[up] @kawaiineko333

I can't see any English errors in that example.

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19184: Jul 21st 2022 at 10:50:32 AM

@monotrematum Well, your third one, with the Ambiguous Time Period trope, is good as far as I can see. We just need to wait for a mod to chime in and confirm we're correct about the rules.

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19185: Jul 21st 2022 at 10:51:05 AM

It does not mean much, but have to agree. On the other hand i think that the second sentence is too long.

Edited by Risa123 on Jul 21st 2022 at 7:51:14 PM

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19187: Jul 21st 2022 at 12:38:01 PM

[up] You are entitled to that opinion, but i should point out that the sentence is severl lines long. That is not exactly usual.

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19188: Jul 21st 2022 at 12:55:41 PM

OK, please try to keep conversation in this thread to a minimum.

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19189: Jul 21st 2022 at 1:08:04 PM

I only meant to avoid discouraging monotrematum with an unnecessary critique of their perfectly normal sentence length or give them the mistaken impression that they should use shorter sentences that would in fact look like broken English, and now I think Risa 123 must be referring to something else, because monotrematum hasn't posted any sentences that are several lines long when you consider that the lines are narrower on this thread than on the normal pages.

Edited by NOYB on Jul 21st 2022 at 1:15:34 AM

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19190: Jul 21st 2022 at 1:17:06 PM

[up] It was more of suggestion than critisism. Also you are right there are three not two sentences so it is not that long. I missed the end of sentence for the commas.

Edited by Risa123 on Jul 21st 2022 at 10:19:15 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19191: Jul 21st 2022 at 1:20:44 PM

Dead By Daylight Survivors

Folder->Jonah

  • He Knows Too Much: He starts being hunted down for his life when he discovers spies sending coded information about corporations and billionaires.
  • Right Hand Versus Left Hand: He's never told his parents he considers himself in this situation with his codebreaking.
    He never admitted to them that he sometimes felt inadequate for spending most of his time behind a desk despite his superiors telling him he was the right hand of very critical operations.

    The only problem is he has no idea what the left hand is doing with his work. And often Jonah feels like he's only being presented with a half-truth.
  • Scatterbrained Senior: His father is in a nursing home with Alzheimers's.

Edited by kawaiineko333 on Jul 21st 2022 at 5:51:18 AM

Risa123 Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19192: Jul 21st 2022 at 1:23:49 PM

[up] I think it should be with Alzhaimer's not with Alzhaimers's.

Edited by Risa123 on Jul 21st 2022 at 10:39:32 AM

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19193: Jul 21st 2022 at 1:35:35 PM

It should be "Alzheimer's". And that sentence needs a period at the end of it.

The sentences for the Right Hand Versus Left Hand trope are weirdly disconnected. They should be a single paragraph. And "considers himself to be in this situation" would be an improvement over "considers himself in this situation", though that might be more personal preference.

Edited by NOYB on Jul 21st 2022 at 1:44:22 AM

ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#19194: Jul 21st 2022 at 4:27:31 PM

Hi fellas. It's me again. Let's have another try.

Some character tropes for Despair Island in light to Chris McLean's recent Complete Monster removal:

  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: When he eats some gooey chocolate cookies Duncan baked for him during the cooking challenge, Chris tears up upon eating them, as their gooey state remind him to how his grandmother baked them, suggesting that he loved his grandmother. He also mentions druing the trust challenge that his mother thinks he is funny when the contestants don't laugh at a sadistic joke he makes of Tyler's death, but it's ambiguous if he loves his mother or not.
  • Even Evil Has Standards:
    • Despite all the atrocities he commits throughout the fic, Chris does feel bad when DJ is left paralyzed due to his unfortunate encounter with a grizzly bear, leading him to give DJ a Mercy Kill via injecting a painless venom snake in his veins so he would not suffer. Not that this prevents him from making a cruel joke of his death later on.
    • He acts with honor towards some of his contestants, letting everyone say goodbye to Harold as he expired from his gunshot wound, letting Courtney say goodbye to her friends and allowing Geoff to share his final moments with Bridgette before trying to execute him for losing the finale to Justin.

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#19195: Jul 21st 2022 at 5:43:50 PM

@ Stargirl (2020)

  • Adaptation Displacement: Thanks to the emotional, nuanced, and formidable way Yvette Monreal plays her, Yolanda seems to be making a bigger splash in the DC fandom with her role in this series than she did during her run as Wildcat in the comic. Her time in the Wildcat costume in the comics pales next to Ted Grant's longer and better-received run as the character, but in this show, she rivals Courtney and Pat in popularity and is reaching a bigger audience. It's widely believed that her prominence and positive reception in this series is the reason comic Yolanda came Back from the Dead for a cameo in Doomsday Clock.
@ Ted Lasso @ The Mist
  • Amanda doesn't get many Action Girl moments, but when the scorpion-flies and pterobuzzards storm the store, she knocks one of the former creatures to the ground and then stomps it to death and sprays one of the latter species with flammable liquid before David sets it on fire.
  • It's a small moment, but Sally grabs the scorpion fly that stings her and defiantly flings it away before the stinger starts making her swell up.
@ The Mist @ Weird West

@ Secret Santa (2007)

  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Celia and Froggy are considered to be two of the best written characters in the series, even though they aren't center stage in the first book and get Demoted to Extra afterward. Them winning the school's cutest couple award during their cameo in Spring Fling is pretty well-received.
    • Girl Posse member Shawna is only a tertiary character in the first book, never appears afterward, and has some Clingy Jealous Girl moments. Nonetheless, she's better-liked than several more prominent characters for her Hidden Depths and Character Development.
  • First Installment Wins: Most fans agree that the Christmas atmosphere and the way the Secret Santa exchange is used to fuel a Love Dodecahedron makes a fun atmosphere that none of the sequels quite capture (although they still have their fans, especially Be Mine and Spring Fling).
  • Vanilla Protagonist: Noelle is the main protagonist of the first book, but several people consider her to be the least interesting or relatable character in the story due to her immature actions earlier in the Love Dodecahedron of the first book. Her subplot has some fans but is generally seen to be less colorful, engaging, and original than the other three main romantic subplots.

Edited by Melinda on Jul 22nd 2022 at 4:37:58 AM

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19196: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:09:39 PM

@El Juaco That should be "in light of", not "in light to".

"When he eats" and "upon eating them" are redundant with each other; better to make it "Chris tears up when he eats some gooey cookies, as their gooey state reminds him" etc. It's "reminds him of", not "remind him to". "Reminds" rather than "remind" because it's referring to the singular "state", not the plural "cookies". "Of" rather than "to" because he's being reminded of what they were like, not reminded to do something.

"During", not "druing".

He makes a cruel joke "about" his death, not "of" his death. The latter would be if the death itself had been presented as a joke at the moment it happened.

"So he will not suffer", not "so he would not suffer". "Would not" would be the conditional tense, which is different from the present tense that you've used in the rest of the paragraph.

Again, it's a joke "about" his death, not "of".

It's "goodbye to Harold as he expires from his gunshot wound", not "expired". You use the present tense in the rest of this paragraph, not the past tense, and tenses must be consistent.

NOYB Since: Sep, 2009
#19197: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:18:54 PM

@Melinda Minor tweaks here:

Stargirl: His name is Ted Grant, not Red Grant.

Ted Lasso: Should be a comma after the word "asks".

Weird West: Make "vegetarian vampires" link to the trope Vegetarian Vampire the same way you made "formidable" link to the trope Beware the Nice Ones higher up. It won't happen automatically. And it should be "they show up for", not "they and show up for".

Edited by NOYB on Jul 21st 2022 at 6:20:50 AM

darknessRising Since: Jun, 2012
#19198: Jul 21st 2022 at 8:40:39 PM

For Digimon Adventure tri.

Folder-> The Mysterious Man

  • What Happened to the Mouse?: He's last seen entering a portal while musing on whether he should go after Daemon or Diablomon next, but after Tri he's never seen again.

For Digimon Xros Wars

  • Adaptational Badass: In the anime, Tactimon was ultimately killed by OmniShoutmon and never unsheathed his Jatetsufuujin-maru even after it was unsealed. In the manga, it's fully unsheathed and Tactimon becomes powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with Shoutmon EX6. It's also revealed that the Jatetsufuujin-maru was built from the data of Susanoomon's ZERO-ARMS: Orochi.

  • Adaptational Badass: Neptunemon was a powerful General in the anime, however in the manga he's defeated offscreen by Sparrowmon alone.

GXuniverse Since: Apr, 2021
#19199: Jul 21st 2022 at 10:58:25 PM

  • Tomboy and Girly Girl: Michiru Kagemori and Nazuna Hiwatashi. Michiru is a impulsive, clumsy and strong-willed short-haired tomboy who enjoy playing sports like basketball and baseball. Nazuna is a prideful, aloof and elegant long-haired Girly girl who dreams of becoming a idol singer. Their animal forms are different. Michiru is a tanuki with blue and brown fur while Nazuna is a Kitsune with pink and white fur.

Clare Since: Aug, 2009
#19200: Jul 22nd 2022 at 3:25:40 AM

@ darknessRising

Digimon Xros Wars

  • Adaptational Badass: In the anime, Tactimon was ultimately killed by OmniShoutmon and never unsheathed his Jatetsufuujin-maru even after it was unsealed. In the manga, it's fully unsheathed and Tactimon becomes powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with Shoutmon EX6. It's also revealed that the Jatetsufuujin-maru was built from the data contained in Susanoomon's ZERO-ARMS: Orochi.

  • Adaptational Wimp: Neptunemon was a powerful general in the anime. (period, move text) In the manga, (comma) however (comma) he's defeated offscreen by Sparrowmon alone.
^ If a character is weaker in an adaptation than they were in the original, you want Adaptational Wimp, not Adaptational Badass.

@ GXuniverse

  • Tomboy and Girly Girl: Michiru Kagemori and Nazuna Hiwatashi. Michiru is an impulsive, clumsy and strong-willed short-haired tomboy who enjoys playing sports like basketball and baseball. Nazuna is a prideful, aloof and elegant long-haired girly girl who dreams of becoming an idol singer. Their animal forms are different. Michiru's is a tanuki with blue and brown fur, (comma) while Nazuna's is a kitsune with pink and white fur.

Edited by Clare on Jul 22nd 2022 at 2:17:33 PM


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