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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

darknessRising Since: Jun, 2012
#19101: Jul 18th 2022 at 8:58:46 AM

[up] @Arivne

For Friendship is Failure:

Folder-> Tropes Applying to Several Characters

  • Entitled to Have You: Many of the central characters have this attitude when it comes to romantic attraction of any kind, to the point where it's the driving motive behind their actions. When their feelings end up unrequited, they (and the narrative) constantly treat the object of their affections as if they're to blame for their misery and any misfortune that ''they themselves'' inflicted on others, simply because they weren't automatically loved back.

Folder-> Ath-Lita

  • Adaptational Villainy: More recent rewrites tend to make her even more abusive, to the point where she doesn't just attack her brother, but random ponies in a rather out of character manner. All for the sake of making Talon look better by comparison.

Folder-> Courier

  • Too Dumb to Live: Chrysalis' curse will kill him if he comes into contact with a "a creature of great love". Despite knowing this, he never thinks to skip town the moment he finds out Cadance, the Princess of Love, is in the same town as he is.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#19102: Jul 18th 2022 at 9:40:17 AM

Thank you Arivne. Here's another new entry: For Creator-Driven Successor and Stillborn Franchise Visual Novels:

  • According to Noriyuki Munekiyo'snote  Word of God in the website of House of Rain Lattice (the first game of The Passion of Kazu Ichiyanagi series), Kazu Ichiyanagi series is the successor of Missing Parts The Tantei Stories written by Yuuki Nishinomiya and directed by Misaki Hashimoto (the main scenario writer and the music composer for Missing Parts, respectively). The developers don't have any plans for Missing Parts sequels as the main storyline is finished without "after stories", although lots of players request an actual sequel for that game, and the final main story episode (Case 6 "The Pendant of Remembrance") ends with open-ended potentials for sequels.

For Antagonist Title Visual Novel:

For YMMV.Missing Parts The Tantei Stories:

Edited by Minorica on Jul 19th 2022 at 9:30:39 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#19103: Jul 18th 2022 at 11:25:29 AM

Thanks @ The Scooby-Doo Show

  • Screw This, I'm Outta Here!
    • In "A Scary Night with a Snow Beast Fright," the gang encounter the eponymous monster when they travel to an Inuit village to meet a professor. Upon arriving, they learn that the professor was recently kidnapped by the monster. Everyone else in the area has already fled except for the native chief and the professor's assistant, both of whom are packing up their belongings and preparing to leave as well. Chief Manook is kidnapped by the monster before he can make good on his plans to flee, and Jean-Baptiste the assistant turns out to be the culprit.
  • Feuding Families: In the Backstory of "The Warlock of Wimbledon", Jimmy Pendleton's ancestor accused the Anthos family of witchcraft and they cursed his family to suffer misfortune. Centuries later, during the episode, two Anthos descendants try to bankrupt the last Pendleton so that he'll be left homeless while they buy his ancestral estate.
@ The Scooby Doo Show S 3 E 16 The Beast Is Awake In Bottomless Lake @ Mystery Road
  • Wham Line: The first half hour of the movie makes little reference to Jay's life outside of the police force. When he learns that a girl named Crystal was friends with the murder victim, it doesn't seem unnatural for him to visit her house and make awkward small talk with her mother, who he clearly knows. Then, once the reason behind his visit becomes clear, Crystal's mother utters this line.
    Mary: So, what? You're just here for work? Not here to see your daughter?

@ Batman (1966): Rogues Gallery

    Lisa 

Lisa

Played by: Diane McBain
Mad Hatter's first female accomplice. She works at a women's fashion shop and acts as a spy for him in his plans to kidnap a customer and mislead Batman and Robin with a fake clue.
  • Faux Affably Evil: She acts very polite and helpful to people but might be the cruelest Moll in the series, given her Nightmare Fetishist tendencies.
  • Nightmare Fetishist: She is positively thrilled as Mad Hatter describes how he plans to have a death trap horribly dismember the Caped Crusaders.

    Burns, Brinks, and Pinkerton 

Burns, Brinks, and Pinkerton

Played by: Billy Curtis, Joe Brooks, and Chuck Fox

Falseface's Mooks, who are named after security companies and detective agencies.


  • Caper Crew: They act as one in the climax, with Burns crawling under a laser alarm system and Brinks blowing open a cage with dynamite. Batman foils the robbery before it's revealed whether Pinkerton has a special skill.
  • Pint-Sized Powerhouse: Burns has dwarfism but takes part in multiple fist fights and is evenly matched with Chief O'Hara for almost a minute when they struggle in the aftermath of a failed robbery.
  • Would Hit a Girl: Burns proposes killing Blaze after she betrays Falseface.

    Felix and Leo 

Felix and Leo

Played by: Ralph Manza and Jock Mahoney

Catwoman's first two goons.


  • Big Guy, Little Guy: Felix is almost two heads shorter than Leo and is rarely seen without him, although he's also a bit of a Pint-Sized Powerhouse in a fight.
  • Demolitions Expert: Leo is capable of mining a road to try and take out the Batmobile.
  • Fake Faint: After being knocked down in a fight, Leo lies down with his eyes closed like he's out cold but carefully moves his arm to grab the door knob, then yanks the door open and flees through it.
  • Karma Houdini: Leo apparently recovers from being knocked out and escapes before Batman and Robin return to where Catwoman left him.
  • Matchstick Weapon: Felix tries to hit Robin with a torch during a fight.
  • No Honor Among Thieves: Leo isn't upset when Felix is captured because it means one less way to split the loot. He then ends up being betrayed and knocked unconscious by Catwoman so she can have it all.

Edited by Melinda on Jul 19th 2022 at 11:21:03 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19104: Jul 18th 2022 at 4:51:51 PM

Dead By Daylight Non Playable

Folder->Lazar

  • Abilene Paradox: He's called the "Naked Emperor" behind his back by his employees. He can't tell they're being sarcastic with their praise while they utterly hate his guts.
  • Meaningless Meaningful Words: He hires Dwight as a "Story-Hook Supervisor," telling Dwight to design story-hooks that transcend humanity. Dwight has no idea what it means.
  • Tampering with Food and Drink: On the receiving end by Dwight as revenge for firing Rose. The drug was supposed to make him laugh and giggle at every sound. Instead, it makes him see everybody in the meeting room as horrible monstrosities and try to choke one.

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19105: Jul 18th 2022 at 7:36:49 PM

Since I only just discovered it, it's time for a new game to be added to the list. Kind of a rough draft after a couple matches, but since a trope page needs 3+ tropes, may as well throw some on. If anyone familiar with Dead by Daylight or other such games wants to help fill this game out, come on in.

Video Horror Society is an 1v4 Asymmetric Multiplayer game published and developed by Hellbent Games, released on Early Access on Steam on July 18, 2021. It is currently free to play.

Teenagers are trapped in a life-or-death struggle against movie monsters leaping into the real world, and they're the only ones who can fight back.

  • The '80s: The game is set in the 1980s, though it's not shown what year it's set in. Character challenges are stored in VHS tapes.
  • Double Unlock: Each challenge tier/tape has to be completed for the next one to be unlocked.
  • Forced Transformation: The monster player starts out as a random teen from the character pool before becoming the monster. They have 10 seconds to find one or more of the players, or immediately transform.
  • Fur Against Fang: The "Howl High" trilogy involves a feud between vampires and werewolves, which is where the Werewolf comes from.
  • Goth: Jess is a goth with thick eye shadow, messy hair, tattoos, and gives off a general "don't-fuck-with-me" attitude.

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19106: Jul 19th 2022 at 3:49:03 AM

The Letter

Edited by kawaiineko333 on Jul 19th 2022 at 6:52:13 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#19107: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:11:07 AM

[up] @Minorica

...Stories, <- comma written by...sequels, <- comma as...players have requested an...open-ended potential for sequels.

Besides the title meaning both literal...the disbanding of...

...the ghost of Miyuki, who makes...punish the ones who have murdered/bullied them.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#19108: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:17:38 AM

[up] @Melinda

...Brinks blowing open a cage with dynamite.

'Played by: Ralph Manza and Jock Mahoney <- delete extra apostrophe

...then yanks the door open and flees through it.

Matchstick Weapon: Felix tries to hit Robin with a torch during a fight.

Leo isn't upset when Felix is captured because it means one less way to split the loot.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#19109: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:24:20 AM

[up] @kawaiineko333

...published and developed by Hellbent Games <- no comma and released on Early Access...

Character challenges are stored on VHS tapes.

^ If the challenges were physically stored inside the VHS itself, "in" would be correct. If they're stored on the tape itself (the way a TV show would be), "on" is correct.

Jess is a goth with thick eye shadow, messy hair <- no comma and tattoos, and gives off...

Edited by Arivne on Jul 19th 2022 at 8:26:07 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19110: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:25:06 AM

Dead by Daylight

  • Crossover: July 2022 brings an Attack on Titan crossover, though the changes are cosmetic rather than any characters from the manga coming into the game. On the Survivor side, Dwight is Eren, Meg is Annie, Jake is Levi, Ace is Kenny, Kate is Historia, Yui is Mikasa, Zarina is Hange, and Felix is Hange. On the Killer side, the Oni is the Colossal Titan and the Spirit is the War Hammer Titan.

Edited by kawaiineko333 on Jul 19th 2022 at 11:25:16 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#19111: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:27:42 AM

[up] @kawaiineko333

...Attack on Titan crossover, though the changes are cosmetic, <- comma rather...

Edited by Arivne on Jul 19th 2022 at 8:27:56 AM

IAm14Not12 Dr. Robotomy from The Beluga Basement Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Dr. Robotomy
#19112: Jul 19th 2022 at 11:37:19 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
I jumped the shark.
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#19113: Jul 19th 2022 at 1:18:07 PM

@ Charmed (1998) They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character

  • Kyra the seer is a delightfully funny and conniving Wild Card demon who is played by Charisma Carpenter. Her goal to become human and experience the things she sees in her visions firsthand is surpassingly cute and moving. She only appears in three episodes and a few comics, but many fans think she had great main character potential.

@ Batman The Brave And The Bold S 1 E 7 Dawn Of The Deadman

  • Early-Installment Weirdness: Green Arrow isn’t a jerk to Speedy the way he is in the season 2 sidekick-centric episode.
  • Hero of Another Story: Green Arrow and Speedy are in London to capture a jewel thief they've chased from the U.S. and succeed in busting the crook just before Batman and Deadman ask for their help.
  • How We Got Here: The episode begins with Batman rising from the grave through Astral Projection, saying he isn't dead, then revealing how he ended up being Buried Alive.
  • I Choose to Stay: Deadman wants very badly to pass on to the next life instead of remaining a ghost, but chooses to stay a while longer and help fight crime after getting his first opportunity to cross over. Earlier, Batman makes the same decision, although, unlike Deadman, he doesn’t want to pass over in the first place.
  • Pursued Protagonist: The teaser segment begins in the Bad Future with Batman, Kamandi, and Doctor Canus running from a group of rat men to try and reach a time portal so Batman can take the cure to a deadly disease back to his own time.
@ Men of Sherwood
  • Fargo: Mostly averted, as minor cops are often useless and/or get killed. Lou’s fellow state troopers in season 2 play this straighter though, despite not actually firing their guns. During The Siege after Charlie Gerhardt's arrest, they successfully assume strategic defensive positions and deter the monsters outside until Lou and Karl can talk down the would-be jailbreakers.

@ Mystery Road

The Series

  • Author's Saving Throw: Many fans greatly dislike how Goldstone indicates that Crystal is dead after the first movie didn’t do much to explore her relationship with Jay but teased some interesting aspects of her character. In the first season of the show, her relationship with Jay does get more attention and she survives a near-death experience in the finale, with fans being happy with her continued survival and expanded role.

Edited by Melinda on Jul 20th 2022 at 6:59:15 AM

Clare Since: Aug, 2009
#19114: Jul 19th 2022 at 1:26:02 PM

@ Melinda

Charmed (1998)

They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character

  • Kyra the seer is a delightfully funny and conniving Wild Card demon who is played by Charisma Carpenter. Her goal (superfluously word - cut) to become human and experience the things she sees in her visions firsthand is surpassingly cute and moving. She only appears in three episodes and a few comics, but many fans think she could have had great main character potential.

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19115: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:05:42 PM

~Tropers/darknessRising

  • treat the objects of their affections (since I am assuming these are multiple characters they are attracted to)
  • "as if they're to blame for their misery and any misfortune that they themselves inflicted on others, simply because they weren't automatically loved back." — this is running into Pronoun Trouble. It is not clear if "they" refers to the characters who have the crush or the characters being crushed on.
  • rather out of character manner, all for... ("All for the sake of..." is not a complete sentence)

Also, remember that Examples Are Not General and Examples Are Not Recent. It would be better to cite specific characters (and would also help with the pronoun confusion). Phrasing like "more recent" will get outdated eventually.

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19116: Jul 19th 2022 at 9:07:46 PM

~[[Tropers/{{Syncronicity]]'':

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.KungFuPandaTheDragonKnight#edit33783773

"actually believe in her goddess"

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=ShownTheirWork.PrehistoricPlanet#edit33738332

"Despite Darren Naish's notorious questioning of rounded wing tips in pterosaurs, nyctosaurids at least still have them in flight (not on the ground where they are hyper-retracted. This is supported by studies on aerodynamics and phalange curvature."

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VisualNovel.LandsOfFire#edit33773757

"Kubbadang."

Edited by monotrematum on Jul 19th 2022 at 9:08:12 AM

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19117: Jul 20th 2022 at 12:35:48 AM

Ookay trying again as "come up with proposed edits text for other people to proof read"

- Original: The "cannibal" village priestess reveals that she doesn't actually believe iin her goddess, apparentlly engaging in her murderous harvest rituals for funzies. When one of her acolytes is dragged off by Veruca she is pretty pissed to learn about this.

- Revised: The "cannibal" village priestess accidentally reveals that she doesn't actually believe in her goddess, apparentlly having engaged in her murderous harvest rituals for funzies. When one of her acolytes is dragged off by Veruca, she is pretty pissed off to learn about this.

- Original: Despiste Darren Naish's notorious questioning of rounded wing tips in pterosaurs, nyctosaurids at least atill have them in flight (not on the ground where they are hyper-retracted. This is supported by studies on aerodynamics and phalange curvature.

- Revised: Despite Darren Naish's notorious questioning of whether pterosaurs had rounded wingtips, nyctosaurids at least still have them in flight (not on the ground where they are hyper-retracted and thus pointy). This is supported by studies on aerodynamics and phalange curvature.

- Original: Kubbdang.

- Revised Kubbadang, nervous as the sun watches...

Edited by monotrematum on Jul 20th 2022 at 8:03:36 AM

darknessRising Since: Jun, 2012
#19118: Jul 20th 2022 at 1:56:17 AM

For Friendship Prevails

  • Entitled to Have You: Strings is obsessed with Cadance to such an unhealthy degree that he not only believes that Shining Armor "stole her from him" (when in actuality she chose to date Shining), but also believes that Flurry Heart should have been his child instead.

  • Fashion-Victim Villain: Strings' attire is nothing short of ridiculous, with the narration describing it as "a harlequin costume designed from sea-slugs". The moment Shining Armor sees it he bursts out laughing.
    Shining Armor: "You look you came to the costume ball dressed as a Foreskin Inflammation!"

  • Would Hurt a Child: Neo-Starfleet's ultimate goal is to resurrect the Grand Ruler, a task which can only be accomplished by killing an Alicorn. As such they kidnapped Flurry Heart to use her as a sacrifice.
    Strings: "It takes the death of an alicorn to make one... at least that's how it should work. Your daughter will die here, slowly, painfully, and you'll watch every minute!"

Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19119: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:31:37 AM

^^ Mono, you are not doing what moderation asked of you in Edit Banned. The point isn’t to fix your own edits; the point is to propose brand new edits to the wiki that you would make, and the people here would correct any grammar errors or mistakes that it would contain.

Also there’s no point in tagging the mods here; they can see your posts no problem.

We get that you want to edit again, but if you’re not going to pay attention to what was asked of you, it’s going to be difficult to help you get there.

Edited by Arctimon on Jul 20th 2022 at 7:32:20 AM

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19120: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:57:05 AM

  • Arc Villain: Parnuen is the main antagonist of the Bangalaa route.

  • Principles Zealot: He is fully aware of the threat the Weasel siblings pose as mages, but still insists on refusing to cooperate with Luthera, claiming that capturing her was his sole mission.

  • Moral Event Horizon: Not only do the Jesse cult leaders kidnap Pezlie and steal her from her mother to claim their political power, they go as far as branding the toddler.

Edited by monotrematum on Jul 20th 2022 at 8:04:17 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19121: Jul 20th 2022 at 6:43:53 AM

@darknessRising

Works have to be italicized.

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19122: Jul 20th 2022 at 6:49:12 AM

[up][up] Can you explain this better to me? I did as asked, three new proposed new edits, but this is somehow not it?

monotrematum Since: Nov, 2021
#19123: Jul 20th 2022 at 7:05:59 AM

For a hypothetical Amos Daragon page:

Edited by monotrematum on Jul 20th 2022 at 8:06:28 AM

Smoker130 Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19124: Jul 20th 2022 at 7:29:47 AM

Hello. a few examples for the following trope pages

Helmets Are Hardly Heroic:

  • Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai: Introduced as an antagonist, Hyunkel wears a suit of Anti-Magic armor, complete with a sinister face-concealing helmet. Shortly after his Heel–Face Turn, this armor is destroyed in a fight, and he obtains a new one with a head piece that leaves his face and hair exposed.

Please Kill Me If It Satisfies You

  • Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai: Following his Heel–Face Turn, when Hyunkel faces princess Leona for the first time, he kneels before her, confesses that he was the general leading the undead army that invaded and destroyed her kingdom of Papnica, and states that he is willing to be executed immediately if she decides so. She instead tells him that if he wants to atone for his crimes, he should live and fight against the armies of evil.

Anti-Magic

Armor of Invincibility:

  • Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai: On top of nullifying magic attacks, the Demon Sword Armor and the slightly less protective, but lighter, Demon Spear Armor are higly resistant and durable, making their wearers difficult to harm with either physical or magical attacks. Later subverted when the heroes face opponents strong enough to break through these armors' defenses.

The Unchosen One:

  • Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai: 13 years ago, the Demon King Hadlar attempted to Take Over the World, but was defeated by the hero Avan. Avan was not the chosen one, but simply a very capable soldier from the Kingdom of Carl, who had set out to oppose the armies of evil. At the time, the actual chosen one, Baran the Dragon knight, was fighting the Dark Dragon Lord Velzar.

Break the Haughty:

  • Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai: Known as the hero of the north, Nova is certain of being the only one worthy of the title of hero, think that he would have prevented the destruction of the kingdom of Ringaia if he had been present when Baran invaded it, and refuses Dai's help when Hadlar's Praetorian Guard shows up, convinced that he can defeat them all on his own. After a crushing defeat at the hands of Hym, he realizes how outmatched he is against the most powerful fighters, and grows to be more humble.

Edited by Smoker130 on Jul 20th 2022 at 4:31:36 PM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#19125: Jul 20th 2022 at 7:31:11 AM

[up] @Melinda

...they successfully assume strategic defensive positions <missing word> deter the monsters...

^ The missing word could be "and" or "to".


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