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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
From page 735 @Raisins Lasagna
...have the Japanese and Taiwanese flags on the main character's jacket edited out...
...and was blackballed out.
^ Has the film itself actually been banned in China? Just censoring the flags is not banning the film. If it hasn't been banned, it's Not an Example.
^ If it was banned, the line above needs to be changed to say so ("...and has been banned").
Edited by Arivne on Jun 2nd 2022 at 8:45:19 AM
From page 735 @Bullman
The show Faking It first...Official Couple, <- comma if ...Every single fanfic is Karmy (Karma/Amy), <- comma and...At the end of the season, <- comma Amy...popular ship in...
Edited by Arivne on Jun 2nd 2022 at 8:40:49 AM
For Light Feminine and Dark Feminine Visual Novels:
- Missing Parts The Tantei Stories: Kyōka Narumi (light feminine) is a modest, (sometimes) sophisticated woman in a businesswoman-like suit. Kyōka's Childhood Friend Narumi Tsukishima (dark feminine) is a mysterious Ms. Fanservice who suffers from heliophobia, is a Hard-Drinking Party Girl and sometimes has a queen-like selfishness. Unsurprisingly, Kyōka and Narumi are Vitriolic Best Buds.
For Character Focus Visual Novel:
- Missing Parts The Tantei Stories:
- Case 3 "The Entrusted Paper Knife" focuses on Kyōsuke's interactions with Teppei Shiraishi and the latter's Backstory details in addition to solving the murder case.
- Case 4 "The Wounded Teddy Bear" focuses on Kyōsuke's interactions with Nanako Kamoi and the latter's personality details in addition to solving the murder case. At the end of the case, Kyōsuke remembers Nanako's recently-murdered teacher Mr. Ikebe, saying that she's a Nice Girl despite her weird personality and quirks.
- Case 5 "The Lost Pocket Watch" takes a deep dark turn and focuses on knowing Kyōka Narumi and Narumi Tsukishima's dark and troubled pasts in addition to solving the murder case. It's revealed that they lost both of their parents. Kyōka Narumi's mother, Sayaka Narumi, was murdered by a street stabber (Kyōka Narumi, in her childhood, mistaked it for dying from illness) 22 years ago and Seiji Narumi (Kyōka's biological father) went missing a year ago. Narumi Tsukishima was trapped in a pitch dark room for a long time (causing her to slowly develop heliophobia
and a bizarre psychology that darkness is safe and light isn't), while her parents were also kidnapped, locked in the same room as Narumi's, taken outside the room and then murdered in her childhood.
For Motherly Side Plait Visual Novel:
- Missing Parts The Tantei Stories: The non-motherly female example. Liangxue Li (the Girl of the Week of Case 3 "The Entrusted Paper Knife") has a rather long side plait in her casual pink tangzhuang dress set. Sadly, she also falls into the infamous "Dead Anime Mom Hairstyle" syndrome at the end of Case 3, as she ends up dying from Taking the Bullet when Yikai Wei attempts to kill Kyōsuke with his gun after she's freed from Yikai's mind-control through The Power of Love.
For Dying as Yourself Visual Novel:
- Missing Parts The Tantei Stories: In the climax of Case 3 "The Entrusted Paper Knife", the murderer who killed some of Teppei's friends is revealed to be Liangxue Li (the Girl of the Week of Case 3), who was temporarily brainwashed/mind-controlled by Yikai Wei (Liangxue's uncle who raised her after both of her parents were killed in a robbery) and was ordered to kill people Yikai and she saw. If you collect enough informations, frequently encounter her by selecting correct places and options, you can free her from mind-control by talking to her through The Power of Love when Yikai orders mind-controlled Liangxue to kill Kyōsuke. However, in any endings (even if you get the Rank A ending), she's freed from Yikai's mind-control, only to get shot in the chest when Yikai attempts to kill Kyōsuke with a gun and ends up saying her Last Words and dying dramatically in Kyōsuke's arms when Yikai escapes scot-free with his helicopter. A major Tear Jerker.
Edited by Minorica on Aug 25th 2022 at 10:27:33 PM
"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."For the Fan-Preferred Couple thread:
- Voltron: Legendary Defender has Keith/Lance and Keith/Shiro competing for the place as biggest ship depending on part of the world you live in:
- In the Wester Keith and Lance is the most popular and far more so than the canon Lance/Allura. Something like half of all Voltron fics on AO3 are these two getting together. They've had varying levels of Ho Yay throughout the show, but that's about it. This was emphasized in later seasons with the lion switch, where Keith becomes the leader and Lance becomes his right hand man. There is also preference from the fans due to the writers noting that they had influence from Macross, an anime famous for having multiple Love Triangles.
- In the Easter parts of the fandom, the most popular ship is Shiro/Keith, and even in the west is still easily Shiro's biggest ship. The pairing is also far bigger than Shiro's endgame one with Curtis. It helps that Shiro is actually gay unlike Lance is actually gay and the the two being the closest out of the whole group. The two also have a massive case of Friendship Writing Fumble, as despite Shire being meant to come off as Big Brother Mentor, Keith often being motivated by protecting Shiro, and Shiro attacking as Keith's The Not-Love Interest often leads to fans seeing them as more romantic than the creators meant them two.
Also for The Not-Love Interest:
- Once Upon a Time: Emma Swan often ends up feeling in roles in her dynamic with Regina Mills that would go to a love interest in another work. While the first three seasons greatly focus on the two having trouble navigating how to raise their son together, once they get the hang of it, both admit a couple of times that they can't imagine raising him without the other. Emma often seen provides Regina with much emotional support, such as comforting her when Robin leaves by having shots, easily agreeing to help her find the Author, or believing her multiple times even when no one else does. When the Darkness tries to claim Regina, Emma sacrifices herself to save her, saying that Regina had worked to hard to have her happiness destroyed. When Emma is trapped in the Wish Realm, it's Regina not Emma's love interest Hook, who goes to the other Realm to save her. Even the final scene sees the two reunited after years, with the final two shots being of the two smiling at each other.
Any corrections?
Edited by Bullman on Jun 2nd 2022 at 1:49:50 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadIn - https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/PokemonScarletAndViolet
Time Travel is certainly not out of the question, as the concept of Time Travel has existed since generation 2 through Bill's technology. Plus with the existence of Space-Time Distortion, there can be many ways for a Pokemon from the future to appear in present time of the game's setting.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/FiveNightsAtFreddysSecurityBreach
There has already been an investigation at Mega Pizzaplex involving kids.
In the memo "It's happening again", the writer is inquiring why the place has reopened while further noting that everyone remembers what happened to the kids.
At face value, it can be simply seen as a callback to the 1987 incident. However, the wording "Reopen" instead of "Bring Back" makes it sound suspiciously like the writer is talking specifically about the Pizza Plex building itself instead of any past locations.
Perhaps there has already been dissapperances and possible murders around the location before the story of the game actually begins.
Possible evidence is the newspaper Gregory uses to sleep under in the bad ending, which mentions several cases of children going missing in the area.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/EternalDarkness
In "The Forgotten City", there is one hallway with a pressure platform that lowers a large section of ceiling on it.
You have to use this platform, by summoning a zombie and guiding it to repeat the process and unlock the door. However, in a case of Video Game Cruelty Potential you can make Roberto himself walk under it and get him crushed by the ceiling. It gives you a game over, but after the shock value it's somewhat amusing.
Edited by JonicOokami7 on Jun 2nd 2022 at 12:39:28 PM
@ The Batman S 4 E 1 A Matter Of Family
- Villains Out Shopping: The strongman Zucco brother seems to be enjoying the Graysons' trapeze act for a moment before realizing that Tony sabotaged the rigging.
- Absurdly Youthful Mother: In "No Nest for the Wicket," Merg looks up some photos of Mayor Pain George Pruitt’s ancestors and observes a picture of one woman glaring at her husband shortly after the birth of their fourteenth child (she went on to have three more). She notes that the woman would have been too young to babysit by modern standards when she had her first child.
- The Caper in the Show Within a Show at the beginning of "Team Penguin" has some good Le Parkour, a diver shooting a tranquilizer dart at a guard from underwater and other such moments. Penguin and his own crew do a decent job of duplicating that sequence with their own skills, at least for their first job.
- Even Better Sequel: The first two films are popular enough, but this one is often viewed as the best of the Batman Unlimited Trilogy in terms of action and character relationships.
- Fanon Discontinuity: "Fire and Ice" and "Artifacts" can feel out of place due to Freeze being portrayed as a megalomaniac trying to put the city into an eternal winter rather than just a crook out for profit like usual.
- Men of Sherwood: The oil drillers in the second scene seem like the kinds of generic monster attack victims who always get killed (or beaten up and chased away in PG films like this one) without too much trouble. Then they get out a laser drill and easily defeat Mr. Freeze’s monster.
- Naïve Newcomer Damien is the one to figure out Penguin's plan in an Awesome by Analysis moment where he focuses on the chemical compositions of Clayface and the others who Penguin broke out of Arkham instead of just their powers.
- Mr. Freeze proves that he isn’t as Genre Blind as he looks when he realizes Penguin plans to betray him and holds the villain at blaster point, nearly stopping his double-cross.
- When Batman hits Chemo with his mech, he cracks the supervillain's outer shell for the first time ever, even though Chemo is far stronger than he usually is.
- Damian boasts that the Batplane is impossible to stop, only for the vehicle to be immediately damaged by an energy blast. He reluctantly amends this, saying that by impossible, he meant “totally possible.”
- Batman has a funny reaction to seeing the mech that Green Arrow ordered built along with Batman's behind the Dark Knight's back.
- Buzz the penguin biting Green Arrow while being taken away is a decent bit of Mood Whiplash after a tense battle.
- When Penguin recruits Arkham inmates, Two-Face flips his two-headed coin and says he doesn’t deserve freedom when it lands on the un-scarred side. Of course, Penguin wasn’t interested in recruiting Two-Face anyway, but it’s still a good sympathetic portrayal of the latter villain.
- Seeing people of Gotham enjoy the sudden snow shower before the villains really amp up their efforts is cute, as is the reprise of this scene afterward, with some kids making a Batman snowman.
- There are several little moments of cuteness during the efforts to save people from the avalanches and monsters (a man stopping to help his girlfriend when she trips, a woman Flash brings to safety comforting her baby, etc.).
@ Batman: Rogues Gallery (Part 3)
- Empowered Badass Normal: Pierce starts out as a regular gangster who is only a threat due to his gun-handling skills, being allies with Doctor Death, and sheer cruelty. After being exposed to a radioactive substance, he gains super strength.
- Greater-Scope Villain: Downplayed, but his interactions with Tommy Elliot's father (getting him involved in scandalizing criminal dealings and nonfatally shooting him), help shape Mr. Elliot into an Abusive Parent, contributing to Tommy becoming the destructive A-list super villain Hush.
- Lean and Mean: Even decades before getting cancer, he's on the thin side and is a cruel, sadistic man who Would Hurt a Child, has no regard for anyone else, and is willing to kill anyone who annoys him and, if they're out of his reach, their children.
- Your Days Are Numbered: Pierce is introduced dying of cancer, which gets him an undeserved compassionate release from prison that he uses to try and kill Bruce Wayne. Subverted at the end of the arc, though, when a chemical bath cures his cancer, although he's sent back to prison and never appears again.
- The Padawan pack (Zule, Tae, Vaabesh etc.), the Jabiim Nationalists and Loyalists, Obi-Wan being MIA before Anakin's knighthood (meaning before the events of Star Wars: The Clone Wars) and Anakin abandoning local soldiers to save clones could all be interesting worldbuilding.
@ TaleSpin
- Bantering Baddie Buddies: The two raccoon goons in "Vowel Play" are a bit more witty and competent than Bantering Baddie Buddies like Mad Dog and Dumptruck and have a casual banter. When they receive instructions to surround City Hall during an extortion scene, one of them jokes "Who says you can't fight City Hall?"
- Spare a Messenger: In "Plunder and Lightning Part 3", Karnage looks like he's subjecting two captured Khan fliers to a Disney Villain Death, but they land harmlessly in the ocean because the Iron Vulture is hovering only a few yard above the sea. Mad Dog asks why he let them live, and Karnage says he wants them to tell Khan about the mysterious items he's stealing to worry the business magnate.
- While "Critters" is one of the least popular episodes of the series, guest henchgirl Emmylou Brown has a lot of fans for being an Affably Evil Corrupted Character Copy of Elly May from The Beverly Hillbillies.
Edited by Melinda on Jun 3rd 2022 at 3:23:18 AM
For the teenage Euthanasia WMG page I wanna say.
-The show itself doesn’t take itself seriously but the truth remains at times you’d would need to acting as bad as Trophy if you were a bad parent. At times there are moments where she breaks her act.
-If she was as bad a mom why would she actually seem excited to hear Annie was going on her first date as well as happy to accompany her as per their family tradition of moms.
-When she dropped the hint of knowing who Annie’s father is (or was) she gave a note of appreciation saying he’d be proud of her.
For Police in a Pod
- Does This Remind You of Anything??: The Chapter of the manga in which the station receives a surprise inspection is treated similarly to a drug bust or a parole officer visiting an ex-convict, with them interrogating the main cast with Yamada and Minamoto doing the part of people with criminal records, Kawaii as a newbie who hasn't done a crime. With Fuji as the leader who distracts the police meanwhile her subordinates hide the evidence ( a tag on a wall in a cell with the word "Penis"), the characters do a Lampshade Hanging of this:
- Kawaii: A surprise inspection, why would the sneak like that unannounced?.. That's not fair!
- Minamoto: You've probably said this a 100 times all the times people complained to you during traffic enforcement. You never know when is coming so you're always carefull. That how the police does things.
- Cop Killer Manhunt: This is what the White Angel case (Even if he wasn't a killer, he did leave a policewoman in a wheelchair for years) becomes after they finally found a lead with multiples characters who are from differents departments and precincts went looking for him.
- Jerkass Has a Point: The series sometimes could show their character being unfair or even jerks, but they usually have a good reason for this, for example:
- Minamoto once got into an argument with Makitaka because she did a mediocre testimony of an Attempted Rape victim; while Makitaka defended herself with that she didn't want to cause the poor more trauma with invasives questions, Minamoto answered by telling her that the girl is not going to okay unless they capture the criminal which they can't do with a crappy testimony, later Makitaka visited the victim twice once to do another report in that we see the girl in a Heroic BSoD with her mother telling her she now barely speaks, and another after finishing the investigation and arresting the criminal, the girl thanked Makitaka saying that until now she wasn't ready to leave her own room but now she can and can continue with her life.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/HololiveEnglishGenerationTwoCouncil
Folder->Kronii Ouro
- During a Powerwash Simulator stream
, Kronii is asked about books to recommend. She says she's read The Metamorphosis, but the audience was thinking of the h-manga. She has to clarify it's the book about turning into a cockroach.
@Minorica
While Kyōka's Childhood Friend <- no comma Narumi...suffers from heliophobia...and is sometimes...
^ As I've told you before, you shouldn't start off a sentence with the word "While" unless the initial part of the sentence is contradicted by the rest of the sentence. For example, in the following sentence the word "While" is used correctly.
^ "While Tom hates avocados, he doesn't hate people who eat them."
...latter's Backstory details in addition to solving the murder case.
...details in addition to solving the murder case. At the...Kyōsuke remembers Nanako's...
It's revealed that they lost both of their parents...childhood, mistaked it for dying...ago. While Narumi...trapped in a...time (causing her to slowly develop heliophobia...
^ "they lost both of their parents" shouldn't be in italics.
^ Please see what I wrote above about starting off a sentence with the word "While". In this case, it looks like you improperly split up that sentence and the one before it, with the "while" being intended to glue the two sentences together. However, since the two sentences together would have been quite long, I left it as it is.
Sadly, she also falls into the infamous "Dead Anime Mom Hairstyle" syndrome at the end...
Edited by Arivne on Jun 3rd 2022 at 8:36:56 AM
@Bullman
...depending on what part of the world you live in:
In the western world, <- comma Keith and Lance is the most popular, <- comma and...
In the eastern parts...Shiro is, <- comma unlike Lance, actually gay, <- comma is actually gay and the the two are the closest pair out...as a Big Brother Mentor, Keith is often being motivated to protect Shiro...attacking as Keith's...meant them to.
Emma Swan often ends up feeling like this in roles...seasons strongly focus...Emma is often seen providing Regina with much emotional ...by having shots <missing text>, easily...worked too hard...it's Regina, <- comma not...
^ "by having shots" of what? Liquor? Vaccinations? Bullets?
^ Does she "have the shots" with Regina?
I see... Thank you for telling me, Arivne.
For Death Equals Redemption Visual Novel:
- Missing Parts The Tantei Stories: In the Rank A route climax of Case 3 "The Entrusted Paper Knife", you can free Liangxue Li (the Girl of the Week and the Arc Villain of Case 3) from Yikai Wei's mind-control/brainwashing by talking to her through The Power of Love when Yikai orders mind-controlled Liangxue to kill Kyōsuke. If successful, she's freed from Yikai's mind-control, only to get shot in/near the heart when Yikai attempts to kill Kyōsuke with a gun and ends up with their last dialogue and dying dramatically in Kyōsuke's arms (she dies from excessive blood loss caused by said mortal injury) when Yikai gets the eponymous MacGuffin and escapes scot-free with his helicopter. A major Tear Jerker.
Edited by Minorica on Jul 12th 2022 at 10:23:27 PM
"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."Time Travel is certainly not out of the question, as the concept of Time Travel has existed since generation 2 in Bill's technology. Plus, <- comma with...in the present time...
^ Generally speaking, "time travel" is not capitalized since it's a common noun, not a name. It's OK to capitalize it as a TV Tropes Wiki Word, as I have done above.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/FiveNightsAtFreddysSecurityBreach
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/EternalDarkness
^ As a matter of policy, I do not correct the English of already existing TV Tropes text on this thread, as there is a risk I would be inundated by such requests if I were to do so.
^ Also, it would take a painstaking effort for me to determine which part of what you posted was your own work and what was the original text.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 3rd 2022 at 9:28:34 AM
Arivne: Yes I meant to put with Regina there. Thanks for the help.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
@Melinda
The strongman Zucco brother seems to be enjoying the Graysons' trapeze act...
...at the beginning of "Team Penguin"...
...(or beaten up and chased away in PG films like this one)...
...only for the vehicle to be immediately damaged by an energy blast.
Buzz the penguin biting Green Arrow while being taken away is a decent bit...
...which gets him an undeserved compassionate...that he uses...end, <- comma though...
When they receive instructions to...jokes "Who says you can't fight City Hall?" <- question mark
Mad Dog asks why he let them live, <- comma and Karnage says...
The idea for this theory is Trophy knows full well Annie was better off without her, <- comma so she acts like a bad mom, <- comma hoping...
The show itself doesn’t take itself seriously, <- comma but the truth remains at times you would need to act as bad as Trophy if you were a bad parent. At times, <- comma there are moments where she breaks her act.
^ "...you would need to act as bad as Trophy if you were a bad parent." doesn't make sense.
...bad a mom as she appears, why...as being happy...tradition of moms? <- question mark
When She dropped...(or was) by giving her daughter a note...
@X-FALCONER
You might want to read Example Indentation in Trope Lists, as two of your examples violate it. For example, what Kawaii and Minamoto say are quotes, not examples, and should have quote formatting instead of separate bullets (asterisks).
The chapter of...cast. <- period With Yamada and Minamoto play the...Kawaii acts as...hasn't committed a crime <- no period and Fuji is the...police while her...evidence (a <- no space tag ..."Penis"). <- period The characters...
"A surprise inspection, why would they sneak like that unannounced?"
...this a hundred times, <- comma all...when it's coming, <- comma so...always careful. That's how the police do things.
...(even if...finally find a lead, <- comma with...characters who are from different departments and precincts going looking for him.
The series sometimes could show its characters being...reason for it, for example:
...mediocre job obtaining the testimony...victim. <- period When Makitaka defended herself by saying that...poor girl more trauma with invasive questions...to be okay unless they captured the criminal, <- comma which ...with such crappy testimony. <- period Later, Makitaka visits the victim twice, <- comma once...in which we...Heroic BSoD, <- comma with...criminal. <- period The girl thanked Makitaka, <- comma saying...now, <- comma she...room, <- comma but now she can, <- comma and...
^ This was a gigantic run-on sentence
.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 3rd 2022 at 10:15:31 AM
@Minorica
...(Liangxue's uncle, <- comma who...people she and Yikai saw. If you collect enough information <- no comma and frequently...in all endings...
^ I have a question I've been meaning to ask for a while. Since this is a Wall of Text paragraph, do you really need all of this information so the reader will understand how the example fits the trope, or is a lot of it padding?
See How to Write an Example folder "General Guidelines", section Keep it Brief:
Brevity Is Wit. No one wants to read Walls of Text. Examples should have enough substance that readers can get a clear picture of how a work uses a trope, and no more. As a general rule, if your example is longer than a medium-sized paragraph, it's too long.
Rewrite Fan-Preferred Couple thread:
- Sleepy Hollow: Ichabod and Abbie is easily the most popular in the fandom and easily then the canon Ichabod/Katrina or any of Abbie's canon romances. This is mainly due to the chemistry between their actors and the fact that their friendship is the focus of the the first three seasons. Fans of this ship practically exploded with Squee after Tom Mison (Ichabod's actor) gave an interview in which he said that Ichabod was completely in love with Abbie
. These fans did not take it well when Abbie was killed off in the Season 3 finale.
Any corrections?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadThanks
- Meg Langslow Mysteries: The Pruitt and Dingley families (Corrupt Hicks who run Caerphilly and Clay counties, at least initially) both contain multiple unpleasant, if not outright criminal, members who Meg argues with or investigates. Downplayed, though, as few of them seem to take notice of their relatives' past antagonism with Meg even as the new family members become antagonists.
- Power Rangers Mystic Force: The Master is a bitter enemy of Big Good Udonna and her whole family (her husband, son, late sister—before her death—, and niece).
- Spare a Messenger: There are about a dozen survivors, mostly senior citizens and children, in a village Colonel Chi razed, so they can tell other villages to be afraid.
- Alternate Character Interpretation: Is everyone in the Legion of Doom on board with Savage's genocidal plan or are some of them just afraid of provoking his wrath after he proves they can't kill him and are then unwilling to let the Justice League arrest them in the climax. Cheetah even notes that it isn't as if they have much choice other than obeying Savage (although she does sound a bit interested discussing his new world order later on). For that matter, does Cheetah try to kill him (which proves he's immortal) just out of Pragmatic Villainy because it will ruin the world's economy and keep her from spending her bounty on Wonder Woman, or does she disapprove of his plan at least partially due to hidden moral qualms?
- Evil Is Sexy: Three of the four female supervillains provide Fanservice.
- Cat Girl Cheetah wears short shorts and a sports bra.
- Star Sapphire's outfit doesn't cover any of her frontal torso besides about a quarter of each of her breasts.
- Ten's dress bares her shoulders and most of her legs.
- Harsher in Hindsight: Growing concerns about icebergs melting due to the loss of drinkable water and sea levels threatening to rise make it a little harder to watch Flash running to an ice field to safely detonate Mirror Master's bomb. Admittedly, his other options aren't any better, but it can still feel a bit uncomfortable in the 2020s.
- One-Scene Wonder: The Royal Flush Gang is captured in the first scene but get just enough characterization and cool costumes and technology to make a big impression.
- This would be a convenient way to make Tarkin's claim that Vader is "all that's left of their religion" accurate while also letting plenty of Jedi still be alive outside of the Empire's domain. This could also set up a large, organized remans of the Jedi to appear in the upcoming Ashoka spinoff, given implications that show will feature her looking for Thrawn and Ezra in uncharted space.
- The idea of Leia having an adoptive cousin with a Jedi parent has a lot of potential (Duke Kayo not being Niano's biological father could make his "Well Done, Son" Guy feelings a clever bit of Foreshadowing). More importantly, though, watching Vivien Lyra Blair's Leia naming her aunt's cuddly new pet All-Terrain Attack Vehicle has the potential for great hilarity and cuteness.
- Alas, Poor Scrappy: Gene spends most of his screentime being a silver spoon Jerkass, but it's no fun watching him slowly bleed out while deliriously asking Kelly if he was right about the new energy source.
- One-Scene Wonder: All of the first three shark victims are more memorable than some characters with more screen-time and plot relevance.
- Tricia, due to her decently expressive warning/Freak Out when she first sees the shark, her wardrobe, and the brutal way she gets repeatedly dragged under the water. Unusually, this is helped by something unrelated to her physical, on-screen appearance (namely her father putting a bounty on the shark offscreen, affecting the rest of the film).
- The old fisherman who gets some humorous dialogue with his grandson before his death.
- The nature tour guide, who gets the most memorable death in the movie (and the only one played for Black Comedy) when she's eaten off a low-hanging ripe bridge during the middle of a poignant Rousing Speech about how the sanctuary is a serene place worth protecting.
- Stone racing after his car after Bulk and Skull (who have been turned into chimpanzees) get inside and release the parking brake.
- Out of Focus: She appears in 18 of the 26 episodes of seasons 4 and 5, but only has five season 5 appearances (one of which is a cameo).
- Even Evil Has Standards: In the Superman crossover, she seems frightened by Lex's efforts to use her to take over the world. She's also shocked when Batman seemingly disintegrates Clayface before Batman explains the weapon's effect is temporary.
- Although Lois Lane does end up a Damsel in Distress during the Superman crossover, she redeems herself by tripping Black Mask when he tries to Screw This, I'm Outta Here!, all while still tied up.
- Flash discovers the Batcave in just an hour by running around the city with his super speed until he finds an entrance.
- Ensemble Dark Horse
- Firefly's Hot Scientist One-Shot Character partner (both in crime and romantically) Blaze is decently popular for their good chemistry and her convincing My God, What Have I Done? moments.
- Fanon: The particularly dark ending of "White Heat" has inspired several fanfics where Firefly is cured of his phosphorus state and reconciles with Blaze.
- Pet the Dog: Zigzagged when Antagonistic Governor Grammel expresses gratitude to a medic who just treated his wounds and offers her whatever she wants. What she wants is for him not to execute the guards who let his prisoners escape. Grammel seems unhappy with the request but muses that he needs every available soldier for the upcoming fight anyway, and agrees not to execute anyone.
- Suspiciously Similar Substitute: Wise, kindly old Force-Sensitive mentor Halla and hulking, furry, Language Barrier-limited aliens Hin and Kee fill the roles Obi-Wan and Chewbacca did in the first movie.
- Among the better-liked characters from the Vader's Quest comic miniseries are Multi-Armed and Dangerous droid Bounty Hunter Fordee, mistreated potential Rebel recruit Bobek, and Nevana (an Unwitting Instigator of Doom Green-Skinned Space Babe barmaid who sells Luke's name while thinking he's a criminal and not a rebel and has a My God, What Have I Done? reaction), each of whom only appears in one issue.
Edited by Melinda on Jun 4th 2022 at 9:44:49 AM
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=b9tcd2k65789p1pglrd92nvr&page=734#comment-18348
- Hiding Behind Religion: The populace of the Boiling Isles refer to the Titan as their equivalent to God, with many parallels to religion and Christianity. Belos uses his supposed ability to 'speak' to the Titan to elevate his importance, seemingly shares 'facts' about the Titan and claims to be enforcing the Titan's will. "Hollow Mind" confirms that he does not believe a word of it, and is merely a skilled charlatan who is manipulating the populace to achieve his true ambitions.
- Mirror Character: There are 2 minor villains, Jacob Hopkins and Elder Bill, who serve as essentially more incompetent versions of both of Belo's personas, symbolizing the pathetic 'truth' of Belos hidden behind his threatening demeanor.
- Jacob Hopkins is a reflection of his life as Philip Wittebane, as a superstitious Bitch in Sheep's Clothing who believes they are the hero protecting humanity against the evil Demon kind, fighting a crusade against a great threat to humanity that simply does not exist, and ignoring any evidence their beliefs on demons and witches are wrong. And while both genuinely believe in their delusions, they are also secretly motivated by a desire for the glory and recognition they believe they will earn. Jacob’s last name Hopkins is also a reference to Mathew Hopkins, who Philip is based on.
- Elder Bill is a reflection of his life as Emperor Belos. Both are rulers of their respective continents who are working with the Collector, both have a zealous hatred of a magical species (titans for Bill, witches for Belos), both are Malevolent Masked Men and both are secretly conmen who manipulate their followers and somehow convince them there cause is righteous(Belos is a False Prophet for the Titan, who says that wild magic is a corrupting force that the Titan put him on a crusade to destroy; Bill created a Religion of Evil based around the Collector and tells the titan trappers that the titans were a species of evil conquerors). and both plan to backstab their followers whilst promising them glory and paradise.
- Only Mostly Dead: He is destroyed by the Collector in the season 2 finale (King's Tide) when he is smashed against the wall, leaving him as a puddle staining the castle. However, some of his remains drip on Hunter, and in the credits we see that remnant of him close the door of the cabin in the human realm, making it clear he is still going to haunt the heroes somehow in the final season.
To stay in the habit of being here, some tropes for Stranger Things
Martin Brenner
- Kick The Son Of A Bitch: He experimented on Henry Creed / 001 when he was a child, which is indeed cruel and horrific; however Henry, even at that age, was every bit the monster Brenner himself was, having tortured and butchered his own family, this lessens how bad you would feel for Henry
The Orderly
- Human All Along: His father believed that the family was being tormented by a demon from Hell, when it was truthfully Henry as a child using his telepathic powers. Ironically, he is later morphed into 'Vecna' in The Upside Down, resulting in him ''becoming'' pretty much exactly what his father thought the culprit was.
- Historical Hero Upgrade: He is remembered as a victim tragically killed when his insane father killed his family, in truth, he was a sadistic monster who tortured his family before murdering his own mother and sister, framing his father for it.
- Like Father, Unlike Son: His father Victor was a loving family man who nonetheless struggled with thinking things through, in a moment of shortsightedness, accidentally getting an infant killed during his time in the war, this mistake being his greatest regret; Henry was a misanthropic sadist who loathed his family and brutally slaughters several children as an adult, as well as being a brilliant manipulator with a knack for long term scheming. Victor was a highly religious man, whilst Henry becomes a demonic entity known as 'Vecna' in the Stranger Things equivalent to Hell.
- Moral Myopia: Typically he does not need justifications for the things he does, when he does try to appear in the right, however, his arguments tend to be rather flawed to an unbiased listener. He claims his parents were only pretending to be good people and his torture of them showed them who they 'really were'; his father Victor is shown to be a good person who simply had massive regrets. and the things he does to his family, and what he would go on to do in later years, are far worse then anything we know they did, not to mention the fact his sister was completely innocent. He also claims his mother gave him 'no choice' but to kill her because she discovered he was the one behind everything and planned to have him locked away to 'fix' him.
- Psychological Projection: He claims his parents were 'fakes' who were only pretending to be good people when they had done horrible things, saying they were the real 'broken' ones not him. Every indication is that his father Victor was a genuinely good person who made a horrible mistake in the war and hated himself for it, and we never learn what his mom did. His claims of them secretly being evil seem to be Henry projecting his own traits onto them to justify the way he tortures them.
- Super Supremacist: He is a Misanthrope Supreme with powerful telepathic abilities, and considers people like himself and Eleven superior to others; he is a particularly extreme case as he even murders other 'supers' who's power he judged to be less then his own.
- The Starscream: As the 'Orderly' he acts as more or less Brenner's right hand man. Initially it seems like Henry is being forced to work with him and is another victim like the kids; we discover he does want to be free from Brenner's control, but he is just as evil as Martin, and wants freedom to achieve his personal ambitions.
- Take Over the World: His plan was to use his powers to conquer the planet, he offers Eleven the chance to join him and 'reshape' the world however they saw fit.
- Unwitting Instigator of Doom: Him using his powers to murder his family is what inspired Brenner's experiments on several other children, having become obsessed with replicating and controlling something like him.
- Your Soul Is Mine!: A science fiction based version of this, he explains to Eleven that the people he killed were not 'gone' but were 'with him' now, pointing to his head. Years later when Nancy is walking through Vecna's mental lair there is agonized screams in the background, implied to be from his victims who were now 'with him'.
Edited by Snoketrope on Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:31:18 AM
Bow to the Prototype

From page 735 @Mr Terrorist
...the US Navy captured the Enigma machine first in Real Life, rather than the Royal Navy.
Edited by Arivne on Jun 2nd 2022 at 8:41:20 AM