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ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#17526: Mar 22nd 2022 at 4:45:58 PM

Hi fellas. It's me again. Let's have another try.

Two character tropes for Despair Island:

  • Adaptational Relationship Overhaul:
    • Gwen was Cody's crush in canon, leading him to woo her until he realized that she loved Trent and helped her and Trent to get together. Here, Cody's perverted tendencies disturb Gwen and she tries to get him eliminated at all costs. He does earn her forgiveness when he stays by her side during her execution so she doesn't die alone, though.
    • Trent was Cody's best friend in canon, with Cody helping Trent to get together with Gwen even though he also had feelings for Gwen. Here, Cody disgusts Trent with his perverted tendencies, and while Trent later accepts him when Cody tones down his behaviour, he ultimately votes Cody off after Justin sets him up.
  • Adaptational Wimp: While she was portrayed as an Action Girl in canon, Izzy doesn't seem to be as skilled here, where she is quickly restrained by Chef, from whom her canon self was able to best in combat, when she tries to escape before Chris executes her.
  • Ain't Too Proud to Beg: Begs Chris to let her live while crying loudly upon her elimination. It doesn't save her from being executed, anyway.

A Tear Jerker moment for Loud Ed Despair Island:

  • Whereas the original fic is more ambiguous about at which unspecified point of Ed, Edd n Eddy or The Loud House it happens, this story all but confirms that the emotive events of Ed, Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show will definitely not happen in this continuity, which means that the Cul-de-sac kids will not accept the Eds and the Eds will not redeem themselves, among other things.

Two character tropes for The Hunger Games (Film): Tributes:

  • Abusive Parents: According to Word of Saint Paul, Clove's parents pressured her into joining the Hunger Games, leading her to do her best to win the Games so back home she could boast in their faces how she survived without their help.
  • Named by Adaptation: By dubbing in this case. In the Brazilian and Italian dubbings of the film, Ceasar calls her "Fynch/Finch" after he finishes interviewing her, but it's unknown if "Fynch/Finch" is her name or her last name.

And a character trope for MCU: Drax the Destroyer:

Edited by ElJuaco on Mar 22nd 2022 at 6:15:26 AM

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#17527: Mar 23rd 2022 at 2:59:01 AM

Arivne, using Sleep Paralysis on the opponent player temporarily stuns the opponent player.

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17528: Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:33:02 AM

From page 701 @Melinda

...but are introduced using fancy gadgets and acrobatic methods to break into...

The end of the the song ...then they sing the chorus...

Even though Fifi's new personality...

and, <- comma in one episode, <- comma asks Lily to teach her how to be a good dancer.

^ The way you wrote it, Phant asked Lily to teach Gabby how to be a good dancer entirely within one episode, i.e. before the episode ends.

...can feel more like a recipe for disaster than a good thing.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17529: Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:44:13 AM

[up] @ElJuaco

...until he realized that she loved Trent, <- comma then helping her...

...to get together with Gwen even though he also had feelings for her.

^ You're only talking about one female character, so you can freely use female pronouns for her. The reader will know who you're referring to.

..from whom her canon self was able to best in combat, when she tries to escape before Chris executes her.

^ You would use "from" if you were going to write something like "from whom her canon self was able to escape...

Upon her elimination, begs Chris to let her live while crying loudly.

...she could boast to their faces...

By dubbing, <- comma in this case....film, Caesar calls...her first name or her last name.

^ You may have meant to write "her full name or her last name." I can't tell.

Edited by Arivne on Mar 23rd 2022 at 9:47:55 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#17530: Mar 23rd 2022 at 3:42:40 PM

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ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#17531: Mar 23rd 2022 at 5:36:49 PM

Hi fellas. It's me again. Let's have another try.

Some WGM speculation for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness:

Prediction on which non-MCU characters may return in this film
It's rumored that, in addition to Patrick Stewart reprising his role as Professor X, the film will include a ton of cameo appearances, possibly of characters seen in films released before or that aren't set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Even better, the film could show us what those characters have been doing since they were last seen. So let's make a prediction!

Some characters of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse may appear in the film.
They could be:
  • Shameik Moore's Miles Morales
  • Jake Johnson's Spider-Man
  • John Mulaney as Spider-Ham
    • It would be a bit weird to depict him in live-action, but it doesn't hurt trying?
  • Kimiko Glenn as SP//dr
    • Though who knows how they can reference her anime appearance...
  • Nicolas Cage as Spider-Man Noir
  • Liev Schreiber as Kingpin
    • This is is a bit unlikely, as Kingpin was defeated and sent to jail for his actions, but maybe he escapes? His physical immensity could be a bit tricky to depict in live-action, but who knows?

Even better, if Hailee Steinfeld's Spider-Gwen and Kathryn Hahn's Doctor Octopus appear in the film, a joke could be made that they look like Kate Bishop and Agatha Harkness.

Kathryn Hahn will return as Agatha Harkness.
As a lead-up to her upcoming Creator/Disney+ spin-off show. Maybe in a post-credits scene Wanda restores her mind and Agatha will be back!

The film will be dedicated to William Hurt.
Even if General Ross doesn't appear in the film, as Hurt passed away fifty five days before the film's release.

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#17532: Mar 23rd 2022 at 7:38:11 PM

@ Power Rangers Mystic Force

The Ten Terrors in general are better liked than most, if not all, of the season's other villains due to having well-defined personalities, good fighting skills, and (in some cases) cool designs.

@ What's New, Scooby-Doo?

  • "Safari so Good"
    • All of the scenes where the monkey is affectionate toward both his owner and the gang.
    • The riverboat captain's explanation for his Non-Idle Rich lifestyle of captaining a riverboat while also owning a uranium field. "One feeds the pocket, the other feeds the soul."
@ Pokémon Movies
  • Badass Normal: The sisters are unafraid of taking on Legendary Pokemon (who tend to be quite powerful) with their gadgets and acrobatic skills.
  • With Great Power Comes Great Insanity: Oakley spends most of the movie being grounded and pragmatic (albeit still villainous), but starts endangering everyone in the same city as her and talking about world conquest as soon as she starts using the stunningly powerful DMA device.
@ An Impractical Guide to Godhood @ Grimm
  • Woobie Species: There are entire species of Wesen whose grief and suffering far exceeds their good fortune.
    • Folterseele emit pheromones which cause people to rape them, and which also kill anyone who touches them. It's implied that every Folterseele is a Child by Rape, and their parents constantly disfigure them with hot branding irons to discourage rapists.
    • Glühenvolk and Willahara are hunted and killed by other Wesen for their body parts, and the survivors of both races have little hope of survival besides constantly running or living in seclusion.
    • El Cuegle are plagued by physically painful visions of the future showing young children committing vicious murders when they grow up. El Cuegles can only prevent these crimes and stop the painful visions by killing those children as babies, which also causes them to be hated and feared in the Wesen community.
    • The Bauerschwein have spent their entire existence being slaughtered for food and sport by Blutbaden, although some of them enter From Nobody to Nightmare territory by retaliating in ugly ways.
@ Percy Jackson and the Olympians
  • Fanfic Fuel: The motivation bending Sileena's activities as The Mole and the extent to which she helps the forces of Kronos are never revealed, leaving room for authors to explore both of them if they choose.
@ CODA (2021)
  • Author's Saving Throw: Negative reviews of the French movie that CODA remakes mainly focused on hearing actors playing deaf characters. CODA avoided that by casting actors who really are deaf.
@ Supernatural Moe
@ Scream (1996)
  • Graceful Ladies Like Purple: The girl is much more friendly and nervous than her friend, wears a purple sweater and has a purplish shade of lipstick.

Edited by Melinda on Mar 24th 2022 at 3:25:28 AM

ssbob90 Since: Sep, 2015
#17533: Mar 23rd 2022 at 10:10:09 PM

Tokyo 24th Ward:

Role association:

Tokyo 24th Ward:

On an artificial island in Tokyo Bay commonly known as the 24th Ward, childhood friends Omar, Assistant and Ferdinand Von Aegir, alongside Xiangling and Assistant sister Haru hung out together. Their lives changed when their school caught on fire and Haru was caught inside. Now, a year after the incident, they receive visual messages from Haru presenting them with life-and-death situations in which they have to decide on their course of action.

Genshin Impact, adding on:

...Kotoko Inagawa, Opera director Krass, Sakura...

...Yashiro Commission, whose members consist of clan leader Yuito and his younger sister Megumin... ninja Muni Ohnaruto, and gang leader Saitama.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#17534: Mar 24th 2022 at 3:10:37 AM

For Replacement Goldfish Live-Action TV:

  • Kamen Rider Zero-One: Izu/Iz is a Humagear which was created and based on Aruto's deceased daughter. Unfortunately, it's against the Artificial Intelligence law that says you shouldn't create a robot that is identical to someone (living or dead) without consent. Ultimately, she meets her tragic destruction at the hands of Horobi (one of Ark's villains).

For Fembot Video Games:

Edited by Minorica on Mar 29th 2022 at 6:40:46 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17535: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:10:30 AM

[up] @kawaiineko333

Even when the game says "Press X to interact with the environment", she presses triangle instead, making her waste another blood vial <- no comma and scream in frustration.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17536: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:19:58 AM

[up] @ElJuaco

Scarlet Witch could say that he reminds her of Ralph Bohner.

Reynolds is denying that he will be in the film, but can we trust him?

...Ben has married Alicia, <- comma just like the unmade third film intended?

...but what if...many audiences? <- question mark

Maybe he has decided to wear pants now?

This is is a bit unlikely...

Maybe in a post-credits scene, <- comma Wanda restores her mind...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17537: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:28:53 AM

[up] @Melinda

All of the scenes where the monkey is affectionate...

...being grounded and pragmatic (albeit still villainous), <- comma but...

There are some entire species of Wesen whose grief and suffering far exceeds their...

^ "grief and suffering" can't be numbered.

El Cuegles can only prevent these crimes...

Negative reviews of the French movie that CODA remakes mainly...

Edited by Arivne on Mar 24th 2022 at 10:36:56 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17538: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:33:30 AM

[up] @ssbob90

...Aegir <- no comma (along with Xiangling and Assistant sister Haru) hung...

^ "Assistant sister"?

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17539: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:36:30 AM

[up] @Minorica

...law that says <- no colon you shouldn't create a robot that is...

Yuna's robot companions...(although they don't have mouths).

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#17540: Mar 24th 2022 at 10:45:34 AM

Max0r

  • No-Nonsense Nemesis: In Metal Gear Solid 3, unlike his zanier comrades in the Cobra Unit, The Fury gets to the point.
    The Fury: "Hey there, Snake. I know you're expecting a gimmick or funny voice, but there is no gimmick. I'm just here to kill you. Bitch."
  • Shoo Out the Clowns: At the end of his Metal Gear Solid 3 episode, Max0r plays the climax seriously. The Boss will go down in history as a traitor, but Naked Snake, now promoted to Big Boss, knows she was the truest patriot of all.
  • With Catlike Tread: In his Metal Gear Solid 3 episode, Snake's method of "sneaking" into heavily fortified Russian bases is to just kill everyone. Even when he puts on the labcoat disguise, he ruins it by putting on Soviet facepaint.

Edited by kawaiineko333 on Mar 24th 2022 at 1:45:59 PM

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#17541: Mar 24th 2022 at 11:31:46 AM

Since my comparison to the Helghast was an out of universe example I've come up with a more relevant one.

Horizon Zero Dawn - Far Zenith

  • Evil Counterpart: To the Alphas of Project Zero Dawn. Both groups represent the best humanity had to offer, but while the Alpha's tirelessly worked as a group to ensure the future of natural life on Earth in response to the Faro plague and were even willing to die off if Zero Dawn had gone as planned, the Zeniths used their considerable resources to essentially jump ship with the Odyssey spaceship, and develop immortality for themselves to further cling to life beyond what nature intended. Furthermore the Zeniths have no real desire to co-operate more than they have to, in contrast the Alphas grew into a close community whose dedication created a lasting legacy, while the Zeniths, in their selfishness, fell into stagnation despite their potential.

Edited by Avenger09 on Mar 27th 2022 at 9:09:44 AM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#17542: Mar 24th 2022 at 3:11:41 PM

eeeeeeThanks.

@ No Plans, No Prototype, No Backup

  • Hogan's Heroes: The episode "Drums Along the Dusseldorf" centers around destroying a truck of experimental jet fuel. When his men ask why the Nazis can't make more, Hogan says the inventor is riding along with the fuel. In other episodes with Nazi inventions, the heroes usually either sabotage the weapon or convince the scientist to defect.
@ Scream 2
  • True Blue Femininity: Dawnie wears a blue jacket and spends most of her screen time showing concern and friendliness toward Cici.
@ Hogan's Heroes

Lily Frankel

One of Hogan's underground contacts. @ Help I Am Being Held Prisoner new page
  • Unintentional Period Piece: Harry's parents being German refugees and Max and several of his acquaintances being former student radicals give the story a very 70s feel.
  • Values Dissonance: While impersonating a military inspector, Eddie cracks some jokes about how some of the soldiers have been stealing women's underwear. Said jokes aren't explicitly homophobic but might not have been written in a modern novel.
@ Red Rock West
  • Bait-and-Switch Tyrant: Deputy Greytack initially seems to be accusing Michael of a crime he didn't commit, but once his boss shows up, it's made clear that he recognizes that the signs point to Michael's innocence and is just confused by the whole affair.
  • Black Bra and Panties: Suzanne wears slinky black underwear while seducing Michael.
  • Damsel out of Distress: Suzanne's hands are tied behind her back in the final act, but she spends a while trying to work them loose and does so without any help from The Hero. In a twist, she's an antagonistic Femme Fatale, just one who's not loyal to the other villains.
  • Have You Told Anyone Else?: After Wayne discovers that Michael isn't the hitman he sent for to kill his wife, he demands to know if Michael has told anyone else about what Wayne tried to hire him to do. Hoping to calm the angry Wayne, Michael says that he hasn't told anyone and just wants to leave town. Wayne tries to kill him.
  • Oral Fixation: Deputy Bowman is constantly chewing on a long toothpick.
@ Young Sherlock Holmes
  • Crazy-Prepared: In The Reed Leech, the heroes assume that the villains won't be able to target them as they sail to America due to not knowing what ship they're on. It turns out that the villains bribe a crewman on every ship sailing from England to America during that timeframe to kill any passengers who fit their description.
  • Have You Told Anyone Else?: In Death Cloud, the villains capture Sherlock and demand to know who else he's told about the bee attacks. He names four of the five other people (leaving out someone who lives nearby and would be easier to kill than the other four) who know. Baron Maupertuis unhappily notes that this is too many people to kill (specially since they're not all close together) and decides he needs to accelerate his plan instead. He still tries to kill Sherlock, though.
  • Karma Houdini: Many Big Bads and/or their thugs escape being killed or arrested, such as Baron Maupertuis.
@ Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman

Edited by Melinda on Mar 25th 2022 at 1:51:50 AM

MrTerrorist Since: Aug, 2009
#17543: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:07:20 AM

For The Baader Meinhof Complex

  • Dramatic Irony: The German terrorist group, the Red Army Faction, accuses the West German government as Nazis for allowing former Nazi members to join the West German government, while being oblivious that the East German government under the Communists, also allowed former Nazi members to join their government as well.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17544: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:42:04 AM

[up] @kawaiineko333

I can't see anything wrong with the English in those examples.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17545: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:48:55 AM

[up] @Melinda

She's a famous lounge singer who both Hogan, Klink, and Hochstetter are all attracted to.

She's merely a spy and source of information in her first episode, <- comma but...

...give the story a very 70s feel to it.

Said jokes aren't explicitly homophobic, <- comma but might...

...but once his boss shows up...

...but she spends a while trying to work them loose and...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#17546: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:52:30 AM

[up] @Mr Terrorist

The German terrorist group <- no comma the Red Army Faction <- no comma accuses...government of being Nazis...oblivious to the fact that...Communists <- no comma also... government as well.

^ "as well" is redundant with "also".

Edited by Arivne on Mar 25th 2022 at 9:52:57 AM

Clare Since: Aug, 2009
#17547: Mar 25th 2022 at 9:58:06 AM

@ MrTerrorist

The Baader Meinhof Complex

  • Dramatic Irony: The German terrorist group, the Red Army Faction, accuses the West German government of being Nazis for allowing former members of the Nazi party to join the West German government, while being oblivious to the fact that the East German government, (comma) under the Communists, also allowed former Nazis to join their government (superfluous words - cut).
^ Alternately, you could have written "Denounces the West German government as Nazis."

jOSEFdelaville Since: Dec, 2018
#17548: Mar 25th 2022 at 10:47:44 AM

Tintin

  • Bloodless Carnage: Dead people may be depicted in full sight to the readers, but there is never any traces of blood. This is especially noticable when we see Haddock's ancestor and his crew fighting pirates and we see several corpses with no blood or wound.
  • Briefer Than They Think: Altough Rastapopoulos is considered to be Tintin's main villain and nemesis, he only appears in four comics in the series out of twenty three. There is also a huge gap between his second and his third appearence.

Code Lyoko S1 E22

  • Hypocritical Humor: Yumi justify her anger about Ulrich seemingly dating Emily by stating that Emily is a year older. It's pointed out that Yumi herself is one year older than Ulrich, making the argument a poor attempt to hide her jealousy.

Madness Combat: YMMV

  • Death of the Author: For years, fans assumed that the Project Nexus games were an alternate continuity to the main Madness Combat animation series. However, shortly before Project Nexus 2 came out, Krinkels said that everything is canon, implying that the animation series and the games are a single continuity. Some fans prefered to ignore this information because of some contradictions between the animation series and video games such as Hank and Deimos being back into their normal forms or the lack of references to the video games in the animation series.

ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#17549: Mar 25th 2022 at 11:06:42 AM

Hi fellas. It's me again. Let's have another try.

Four character tropes and Fridge Brilliance for Space Jam:

  • Adaptational Badass: Or luck in his case. When Bupkus tries to score a point, he finds out that Wile had already rigged the basket with explosives, getting them blown up to his face, making this moment so far the only instance in which the ACME products Wile often uses work in his favour.
  • Canon Foreigner: Lola was created specifically for the movie. However, she proved popular among the fans and was later used in following Looney Tunes projects, such as The Looney Tunes Show.
  • Dude, Where's My Respect?: Everyone cheers when the Tazmanian Devil, Lola Bunny, Bugs Bunny and Michael Jordan make their entrances, but when Daffy makes his, no one but the crickets cheer for him.
  • Killed Offscreen: During the match, the Monstars cook into a roast turkey, and his cooked remains are later seen on the bench. He gets better later, though.
  • Sylvester's attempts to eat Tweety during the match seem a case of Skewed Priorities, as Sylvester will be enslaved, alongside his fellow Tunes, if they lose. But, what if Sylvester had already resigned himself to his fate? Then of course he wants to eat Tweety! If he's gonna be forced forever to stay at Moron Mountain, he wants to eat Tweety first so at least he can go to his enslavement with satisfaction.

Three character tropes for Spider-Man Trilogy, The Amazing Spider-Man Series and MCU: Citizens – New York City Midtown School of Science and Technology:

  • Nice, Mean, and In-Between: From a multiversal point of view in regards to Peter Parker's best friend, this Harry Osborn is the in-between to the nice of Earth-199999's Ned Leeds and the mean of Earth-120703's Harry Osborn. He is good friends with Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson, and though he once grows estranged from them and tries to kill the former for supposedly murdering his father, he ultimately makes amends with them and their friendship is restored.
  • Nice, Mean, and In-Between: From a multiversal point of view in regards to Peter Parker's best friend, this Harry Osborn is the mean to the nice of Earth-199999's Ned Leeds and the in-between of Earth-96283's Harry Osborn. He starts off as Peter Parker's best friend, but when Parker, as Spider-Man, refuses to give him his blood out of concern for his safety, he snaps and becomes the Green Goblin, leading him to kill Peter's girlfriend Gwen Stacy, becoming his arch-enemy and shattering their friendship forever.
  • Nice, Mean, and In-Between: From a multiversal point of view in regards to Peter Parker's best friend, Ned Leeds is the nice to the mean of Earth-120703's Harry Osborn and the in-between of Earth-96283's Harry Osborn. He is Peter Parker's best friend, sidekick and supporter, never interferes in Peter's relationship with Michelle Jones Watson and promises to never betray Peter, but their friendship is unfortunately erased from existence by Doctor Strange to save the universe from countless interdimensional dangers.

And WMG speculation for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness:

The previous two theatrical versions of the Fantastic Four will return.
While not beloved, given how the film deals with the Multiverse, seeing back the Fantastic Four versions of Tim Story and Josh Trank respectively would be an amazing idea as a prelude to the upcoming MCU incarnation helmed by Jon Watts of these four heroes. What's more, while the second Fantastic Four version is considered by most as the worst, what if this film succeeds in redeeming them just like how Spider-Man: No Way Home redeemed Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man in the eyes of many audiences?

Wanda will not be the villain
. Despite the constant rumors, Wanda will likely not become a villain after all the hate she received from Westview's residents at the end of WandaVision. If she learned thanks to Monica Rambeau that she is gonna be hated by everyone there because how she selfishly brainwashed them just because of her grief, she isn't gonna do something similar now if she wants to be liked, right? That Wanda who says that Strange does the same thing as her and isn't hated for doing it is likely an evil variant of Wanda.

Edited by ElJuaco on Mar 25th 2022 at 8:50:06 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#17550: Mar 25th 2022 at 12:01:55 PM

For Ghost Shipping:

  • Yellowjackets: One of the most popular season one ships is Shauna/Jackie and continued to have a fanbase even after the season finale killed off Jackie. So instead a lot of fans have taken to writing Fix Fics where she never died and instead got together with Shauna or even just shipping Shauna with Jackie's literal ghost. This is helped by the fact that the present day Shauna hallucinates a vision of Jackie's ghost.

Any corrections?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

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