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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#14901: Sep 9th 2021 at 4:40:24 PM

[up]Thanks. For the Aethin fantranslation, it is the most up-to-date fan translation of the game. I had to make reference to it because it rewrote several plot points and the Morse possessing Law element was invented for the fan translation. The original translation merely states that Morse took Law's appearance as when Holmes asked Law about their last conversation, he had no idea what he was talking about.

Also, I spoiled the Morse example because most player weren't suppose to know that Morse took the form of Law until the reveal.

Billford gets a 15% support bonus when he is close to Sharon. 15% is the highest support bonus in the game, and it is usually reserved for close family or lovers. For example, Roger and Mel has a 15% support bonus and they are engaged to each other. However, only Billford get those bonuses and Sharon's only support is Raffin, who is her ex-boyfriend.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Sep 9th 2021 at 4:53:27 AM

orrink from Louisville Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#14902: Sep 9th 2021 at 5:02:53 PM

@arvine what's the template for a film title and how do you ensure spaces between entries?

http://sophomorecritic.blogspot.com
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14903: Sep 9th 2021 at 5:26:01 PM

Also, I spoiled the Morse example because most player weren't suppose to know that Morse took the form of Law until the reveal.
I got that part, but you didn't need to spoiler out the entire thing.

mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#14904: Sep 9th 2021 at 6:31:54 PM

[up]I see. Anyways, here's the revision. Might not use Happily Adopted since I can't think of the scenario regarding it. The scenario is that Bartz thought that this is goodbye to Plum since she found her birth father (and a noble father, at that). However, Lionheart invites him and his grandfather to his land and treat them like family since Bartz was Plum's brother.

Bartz

  • Last-Minute Hookup: Despite neither of the two interacting with each other, Bartz can announce his love for Rennie in the epilogue if she is not in love with Mintz.

Holmes

Shigen

Billford

  • Bodyguard Crush: The epilogue, as well as his high one-sided support bonus (15% is usually reserved for close family members or lovers), implies that he likes Sharon. However, she still has feelings toward her ex-boyfriend, Raffin.

Rennie

A Salian rebel under Lionheart.


  • Age-Gap Romance: She can fall in love with Mintz despite him being a decade older than her.
  • Rescue Romance: She falls for Mintz if he saves her from execution. Mintz is uncomfortable about it since she is young enough to be his daughter.

Renee

  • Good Stepmother: Since she is Lionheart's lover, it is implied that she becomes Plum's stepmother after the conflict. Depending on your choices in the game, she could be Bartz's stepmother as well.

Law

  • Dead All Along: In the Aethin translation, he died when Maerchen attacked his ship, but was possessed by Morse to continue helping Holmes. This is not the case in the original translation, where Law survived the attack but Morse took his appearance to tell Holmes the history of Lieberia in their "second" meeting.
  • Mr. Exposition: He provides Holmes with the history of Lieberia as he accompanies him on his travels. However, Holmes doesn't realize until later that it was Morse that accompanied him in his travels, not the actual Law.

Morse

The White Sage who instructed the Four Sages in the ways of magic.


  • Expy: Of Gotoh, who shares his title and role as a great sage and a teacher, including one of his students being evil.
  • The Ghost: He doesn't appear in person, and Meeme claims that he is in another dimension. However, it is revealed that he took the form of Law to provide the history of Lieberia to Holmes.
  • Mr. Exposition: Under the guise of Law, he provides Holmes with the history of Lieberia as he accompanies him on his travels.

Meeme

Morse's apprentice. She helps resurrect people with the Dakruon.


Edited by mariovsonic999 on Sep 9th 2021 at 6:32:26 AM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#14905: Sep 9th 2021 at 8:05:48 PM

@ Enfant Terrible

Provenza: You are aware that your ex-stepbrother is a Serial Killer.
Tammy Bechtel: The FBI came to my house five years ago and told me about all the women that Phillip had murdered. I was just shocked. But in retrospect, there were signs, things that I now know are markers for people like him ...
Provenza: What signs?
Tammy Bechtel:Oh, he tried to set our house on fire a couple of times. My dog disappeared one day, it never came back. He pushed me off the slide in our backyard.
Mason: Those aren't signs. Those are billboards.
@ G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero
  • Cobra's ambush of the Joe convoy in the first part of "Revenge of Cobra" is suitably impressive, with their vehicles emerging from holes in the ground, hollow trees, and the like. When the Joes manage to capture Cobra Commander, he has Zartan and the Dreadnoks standing by to break him out of jail within a couple of hours (having anticipated that Destro might not feel inclined to have the rest of their forces help him).
  • Shipwreck is introduced using a land sailboat to help Mutt and Flint escape from a Cobra outpost, noting that the one thing their radar can't pick up is wind power.
  • "The Greenhouse Effect" features a Cobra spy posing as a clumsy janitor to steal a device, then engaging in some acrobatics swinging from the ceiling before overpowering two Joes, escaping out a window, and sliding down the face of a nearby cliff.
@ The Leopard Man
  • Informed Attribute: Kiki is said to be a club dancer, but the first time she's about to be performed, she's interrupted by the leopard escaping. The second time, the scene cuts away before her act starts.
@ Life-or-Limb Decision @ Fan-Preferred Cut Content
  • Fans agree that EDtv would have been too long if it had kept all, or even most, of the 45 minutes of deleted scenes. Still, they tend to mourn the deleted subplots that flesh out Ed's family and introduce a rival TV personality.

Edited by Melinda on Sep 10th 2021 at 8:49:33 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14906: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:04:03 PM

mariovsonic: I apologize; now that I look at it again, it's clear that you were right to spoiler out all of the Morse example of Mr. Exposition. I'm sorry for giving you bad advice. Anyhoo, the rest is fine.

mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#14907: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:27:23 PM

[up]Thanks, and it's fine.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Sep 9th 2021 at 9:27:36 AM

ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#14908: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:27:25 PM

Hi fellas. It's me again. Let's have another try.

A Headscratcher for V for Vendetta:

  • Why is the little girl with glasses so inspired by V? She seems too young to be interested in politics. By the way, why do her parents buy her a Guy Fawkes mask and allow her to spray V graffiti in the streets if they know how brutal the Fingermen are?

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14909: Sep 9th 2021 at 10:03:13 PM

[up] English is fine. But to answer your questions, in a cruel society like that anybody would notice the oppression people are suffering, at least to some degree. And I might be wrong, but as far as I can remember it's never stated that her parents bought her the mask (as opposed to her buying her with her pocket money) or that they actually have given her permission to spray graffiti. So this one seems like a shoehorn.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Sep 9th 2021 at 10:03:30 AM

jahman Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#14910: Sep 9th 2021 at 11:14:27 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/PsychonautsMainCharacters:

General:

  • Battle Couple: One of their first mission as a couple involves infiltrating the mastermind Gristol's mental world for answers at the climax of 2.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#14911: Sep 10th 2021 at 7:33:23 AM

For Wrestle Angels Ai Zero Kotobuki:

  • Does Not Know Her Own Strength: At least in the Harakiri Kiriko-San official comic strip series. In one episode, Zero sees Mighty Yukiko and Bomber Kishima slap Riyu Kikuchi as her playful physical contact pleasure. When she wants to give a playful slap to Riyu, she's unable to control her strength (considering she's a socially awkward girl with a Dark and Troubled Past) and Riyu ends up knocked out of the building.

For Wrestle Angels 1 Riyu Kikuchi:

  • Punched Across the Room: At least in the Harakiri Kiriko-San official comic strip series. In one episode, Zero Kotobuki sees Mighty Yukiko and Bomber Kishima slap Riyu as her playful physical contact pleasure. When she wants to give a playful slap to Riyu, she's unable to control her strength (considering she's a socially awkward girl with a Dark and Troubled Past) and Riyu ends up knocked out of the building.

Edited by Minorica on Sep 10th 2021 at 10:22:54 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14912: Sep 10th 2021 at 9:18:55 AM

Minorica: What is "skinship pleasure"?

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14913: Sep 10th 2021 at 9:56:53 AM

[up] @orrink wrote:

"what's the template for a film title and how do you ensure spaces between entries?"

I'm going to use your first paragraph as an example.

Live Action Film: -In What Women Want, Nick Marshall's daughter serves as a guide to him for dating and improving his emotional intelligence. -In 500 Days of Summer, Tom's younger sister Rachel (Chloe Grace Moretz) serves as a confidante in a number of stand-alone scenes -In Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, veteran actor Rick Dalton finds inspiration and guidance from a child actor (Julia Butters) who can't be more than 10 years old.

This is what it should look like while you're editing it:

[[AC:Film - Live-Action]]
* In ''Film/WhatWomenWant'', Nick Marshall's daughter serves as a guide to him for dating and improving his emotional intelligence.
* In ''Film/FiveHundredDaysOfSummer'', Tom's younger sister Rachel (Creator/ChloeGraceMoretz) serves as a confidante in a number of stand-alone scenes.
* In ''Film/OnceUponATimeInHollywood'', veteran actor Rick Dalton finds inspiration and guidance from a child actor (Creator/JuliaButters) who can't be more than 10 years old.

^ The words "Film" and "Creator" are Namespaces. You use them to create a Blue Link to a specific page. Please click on the word Namespaces to learn more.

^ You have to write "Five Hundred" instead of "500" because work names can't start with a number.

And it appears like this on the page:

Film - Live-Action

Edited by Arivne on Sep 10th 2021 at 10:09:37 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14914: Sep 10th 2021 at 10:16:42 AM

[up] @Melinda

Cobra's ambush of the... And When the Joes manage to capture...

...before overpowering two Joes, <- comma and escaping out a window and sliding down...

^ You normally shouldn't write "X and Y and Z". If you have three or more items, it's usually a list and should be written "X, Y and Z".

...flesh out Ed's family and introduce a rival TV personality.

Edited by Arivne on Sep 10th 2021 at 11:09:31 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14915: Sep 10th 2021 at 10:19:17 AM

[up] @jahman

One of their first missions as a couple involves infiltrating the mastermind...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14916: Sep 10th 2021 at 10:22:55 AM

[up] @Minorica

...Yukiko and Kishima slap Riyu Kikuchi...give her a...with a Dark...Riyu ends up knocked out...

Edited by Arivne on Sep 10th 2021 at 10:23:11 AM

SugarButterfly432 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14917: Sep 10th 2021 at 11:52:42 AM

Heroic Father Figures

  • All Girls Want Bad Boys: It's implied that Inko doesn't have good taste in men, as she had an abusive boyfriend in high school and her missing husband kidnapped their daughter when she was three-years-old. Because of this, All Might and the other male staff members are protective of Izuku out of fear she might have inherited her mother's taste in boys.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14918: Sep 10th 2021 at 12:06:39 PM

It's implied that Inko doesn't have good taste in men, as she had an abusive boyfriend in high school and her missing husband kidnapped their daughter when she was three years old. Because of this, All Might and the other male staff members are protective of Izuku out of fear she might have inherited her mother's taste in boys.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#14919: Sep 10th 2021 at 2:35:03 PM

Michael Katsuro. I mean, Kiriko (the staff girl with purple hair) in the comic says that it's a skinship (or physical contact), like Skinship Grope, but with slaps instead. So they both playfully slaps Riyu.

Edited by Minorica on Sep 10th 2021 at 5:05:06 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
NoNombre Since: Jul, 2021
#14920: Sep 10th 2021 at 8:02:16 PM

The rewrite of one of my previous posts here and that would be my last post on TV Tropes, really. I'll take indefinite hiatus until someday I'll be back here, I guess.

@ Banned in China

  • After The Vietnam War, the former South Vietnamese flag was outlawed by the Vietnamese communist regime (like China and Germany does to Taiwanese flag and Nazi flags) unless if only shown on historical purposes and as well as on Vietnam War films made in Vietnam on recent days. However, the reverse was true for overseas South Vietnamese communitynote , so that can be a problem for those who decide what flag will represent the overseas Vietnamese community first, and thus the former South Vietnam flag or scrap all flags from being displayed (for American universities) is the only choice.

EDIT: Also added other tropes

@ Funny Aneurysm Moment / Anime & Manga

  • One chapter have a self-imprisoned police officer has admitted that he caused The Vietnam War. Since the chapter was out when the war was still ongoing, so many years later after the war, the 1992 anime episode adaptionnote  and as well as 2005 anime adaptionnote  have removed the mentions of the civil war.

@ YMMV / Doraemon

  • One chapter have a self-imprisoned police officer known as "Ichikawa Goemon" has admitted that he caused The Vietnam War. Since the chapter was out when the war was still ongoing, so many years later after the war, the 1992 anime episode adaption and as well as 2005 anime adaption have removed the mentions of the civil war.

@ The Vietnam War

  • One chapter of Doraemon have a self-imprisoned police officer has admitted that he caused the Vietnam War. The 1992 anime episode adaption and as well as 2005 anime episode adaption has instead removed the references to the war.

Edited by NoNombre on Sep 11th 2021 at 3:36:48 AM

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#14921: Sep 10th 2021 at 8:29:29 PM

For Wrestle Angels Survivor 2 Hibiki Izayoi:

Addition for YMMV.Wrestle Angels:

For Wrestle Angels Ai Zero Kotobuki:

  • The Scapegoat: According to her backstory and during the match between Melody and Zero, her big sister Senka Kotobuki often abuses her verbally (and probably physically) and orders her to beat her opponents till they're fatally injured in an unsanctioned prize fight, which leads everyone to think that it's Zero's fault. Fortunately, Melody Kobato teaches Senka a lesson, violently.

Edited by Minorica on Sep 12th 2021 at 10:47:37 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#14922: Sep 10th 2021 at 8:43:09 PM

Thanks Arivne.

@ Batman: No Man's Land One-Scene Wonder

  • The young girl who's spying on Billy Petit for Oracle and encounters Superman during his second visit to No Man's Land, due to her Little Miss Badass characterization.
@ Clue Club
  • While boasting about his show business plans, Woofer claims to be a relative of Lassie and Rin Tin Tin. When Wimper points out that they are different dog breeds than Woofer, he asks if Wimper has ever heard of makeup.
@ The Day of the Triffids @ Dancing Aztecs
  • Self-Defenseless: When Frank and Floyd decide to kidnap Many after she recognizes Frank, she tries to mace them with a can of pepper spray that she's carried in her purse for six years in case anyone tries to mug her. After six years without being used, the mace can doesn't have enough pressurization to shoot anything more than a brief trickle of white foam.
  • Fan-Preferred Cut Content
  • Many fans of The 'Burbs dislike the Subverted Suspicion Aesop ending and wish the original ending where the main characters are wrong about their neighbors being killers had been used.
@ Stargirl (2020) [[folder:Episode 5 - Summer School Chapter Five]]
  • The opening flashback shows an eight-year-old Cindy and her mother unsuccessfully trying to run away from Dragon King, with a frightened Cindy saying she doesn't want her father to make her into someone like him. Their escape is doomed to fail and makes Cindy's transformation into such a monster later on (and her offscreen Accidental Murder of her mother) tragic.
@ The Weaver Option
  • Xerses Vandire's latest temper tantrum is triggered by his daughter giving him a report about what their peers are saying about Xerses' son Ormuz after his incompetent performance at the Battle of Cadia.
    Zenobia Vandire: Err...Admiral Von Bismarck declared...ahemOrmuz was the best Imperial Admiral the archenemy could have wished for.
    Xerses: Continue.
    Zenobia: Yes...yes, Vice-Admiral Creed of Battlefleet Cadia Secundus declared "I am surprised his ship managed to reach the Cadian Gate given how burdensome his incompetence was for his crew ... Lord Governor Von Waldersee...er... professed his surprise my brother managed to breathe the standard oxygen aboard Navy warships unaided given his manifest stupidity ... Archmagos Kappa-3 insists condemning him to servitor-transformation would result in a fifty percent performance increase of whichever Navy force he is part of ... Rogue Trader Guts insists my brother is to be checked for abhuman traits, because he showed all the cowardice of a lesser Ratling during battle.
@ The Weaver Option

  • Bearer of Bad News: Zenobia is often stuck delivering news to her father and uncle that they would rather not hear, such as about the cost of a bribery campaign or about how hated Ormuz has become due to his incompetence.
  • Thicker Than Water: While Zenobia acknowledges Ormuz's flaws, she insists on trying to save him from being court-martialed and executed, saying, "For all his faults, he is my brother."

@ Abominable

  • Cowardly Lion: CJ has quite a few Screaming Woman moments (one of which ruins Amanda's attempt to sneak away from the monster) and refuses to go into the woods to look for the missing Karen. However, she also delays her escape attempt to check on a hurt Amanda, and after the monster knocks her down, she defiantly curses him and sprays him with pepper spray.
@ Doomed New Clothes
  • Pokémon Heroes: During her first fight with the heroes, Annie is knocked into a canal and angrily yells about how they've ruined her expensive new dress.
  • The King Nobody Wanted: Averted as a plot point when one of Khal Drogo's companions points out to him that some Volantene aristocrats wore their old, out-of-style clothing during an important meeting where their respective companions got into a fight. It is almost as if they expected something to happen and were afraid of getting blood on their good clothes.

Edited by Melinda on Sep 11th 2021 at 4:34:47 AM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#14923: Sep 11th 2021 at 5:59:45 AM

@ Black Tide Rising

@ The Weaver Option
  • Dragon's dragon robots infiltrate a group of Chaos-alligned Heldrakes to blow them up with explosives.
  • When the Necrons release a Void Dragon against the Orks and the Imperium, Taylor gives a speech about how there would be no symbolic value in her fighting that dragon, and so, given the way the Warp works, she'd be doomed to lose against it. However, the same isn't true for all of her companions, and she sends Dragon Richter to fight the C'Tan. Dragon wins, while making plenty of Did You Just Flip Off Cthulhu? comments throughout the fight.
@ The Bravados
  • Adaptational Angst Upgrade: In the film, Douglass is chasing the outlaws to avenge his wife and wants to kill all of them himself. In the original book, he's merely a member of the Posse and has never been married.
  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Two of the outlaws have families.
    • Alfonso Parral's mother is in town to watch the execution and has a very solemn presence.
    • When Lujan escapes over the border, he's shown to have a wife and baby who he greets affectionately.
  • Even Evil Has Standards: Lujan doesn't join Zachary in raping Emma, although he doesn't try to stop him either.
  • Gate Guardian: The film begins with Douglass riding into an isolated town through a canyon pass to watch the execution of Zachary and his gang. He's stopped by Pepe Martinez, one of Sheriff Sanchez's deputies. Pepe is stationed on the cliff with a rifle to stop and search anyone riding into town to reduce the chance of anyone breaking the outlaws out of jail before their execution.
  • Made of Iron: Sheriff Sanchez is stabbed during the jailbreak, but an examination of his body reveals that he's alive and he's raced to the doctor's office.
  • Not Me This Time: Zachary and his men are guilty of multiple murders, but they didn't rob and kill Douglass's wife. In fact, they unknowingly rob and kill her actual murderer during their Run for the Border.
  • Prospector: Douglass's closest neighbor is a bumbling gold hunter named John Butler, who is unfortunate enough to encounter the fleeing outlaws. He's also a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, as he's the real killer of Mrs. Douglass.
  • Saintly Church: The local church is presented as a benign institution. The (non-villainous) characters view it so seriously that even Deputy Primo, the jail guard, takes a break from his duties to attend mass (with Sheriff Sanchez filling in for him). At the end of the movie, the priest is both firm and sympathetic while talking to Douglass about the moral implication of his Roaring Rampage of Revenge.

Edited by Melinda on Sep 11th 2021 at 4:50:52 AM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#14924: Sep 11th 2021 at 6:19:02 AM

@ Self-Defenseless

  • Abominable: When a cornered CJ sprays pepper spray into the Yeti's eyes, the monster roars in pain for a few seconds but is otherwise unaffected.

Edited by Melinda on Sep 11th 2021 at 4:51:10 AM

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#14925: Sep 11th 2021 at 6:26:36 AM

God of War Series – Other Characters

Witch of the Woods

  • Your Makeup Is Running: She has noticeable tearlines below her eyes in Ragnarok, showing her continuing despair over the death of her son, Baldur.

Edited by Avenger09 on Sep 11th 2021 at 2:27:07 PM


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