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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#14876: Sep 8th 2021 at 7:07:33 PM

Some ideas for TearRing Saga.

Bartz

  • Happily Adopted: Lionheart invites him and his grandfather to live in Salia with him since any man who is a good older brother to Plum is a son to him.
  • Last-Minute Hookup: Despite neither of the two interacting with each other, Bartz can announce his love for Rennie in the epilogue.note 

Holmes

Shigen

Billford

  • Bodyguard Crush: The epilogue, as well as his one-sided support bonus, implies that he likes Sharon. However, she still has feelings toward Raffin.

Rennie

A Salian rebel under Lionheart.


  • Age-Gap Romance: She can fall in love with Mintz despite him being a decade older than her.
  • Rescue Romance: She falls for Mintz if he saved her from execution. Mintz is uncomfortable about it based on the fact that she is young enough to look like his daughter.

Renee

  • Good Stepmother: Considering that she is Lionheart's lover, it is implied that she becomes Plum's stepmother after the conflict. Depending on your choices in the game, she could be Bartz's stepmother as well.

Law

  • Dead All Along: In the Aethin translation, he died when Maerchen attacked his ship, but was possessed by Morse.
  • Mr. Exposition: He provides Holmes with the history of Lieberia as he accompanies him on his travels. Or rather, it was Morse that accompanies Holmes instead of Law.

Morse

The White Sage who instructed the Four Sages in the ways of magic.


  • Expy: Of Gotoh, who shares his title and role as the great sage and teacher to his students, which includes an evil pupil.
  • The Ghost: He doesn't appear in person, with Meeme claiming that he is in another dimension. However, it is revealed that he took the form of Law to provide the history of Lieberia to Holmes.
  • Mr. Exposition: Under the guise of Law, he provides Holmes with the history of Lieberia as he accompanies him on his travels.

Meeme

Morse's apprentice. She helps resurrect people with the Dakruon.


orrink from Louisville Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#14877: Sep 8th 2021 at 7:38:44 PM

I don't remember how to code for the site. Generally, I would just copy other people's edits but I can't do that since I'm suspended. It appears I don't know how to put spacing and I don't know how to link to film or TV series names.

For Younger Mentor, Older Disciple

Live Action Film: -In What Women Want, Nick Marshall's daughter serves as a guide to him for dating and improving his emotional intelligence. -In 500 Days of Summer, Tom's younger sister Rachel (Chloe Grace Moretz) serves as a confidante in a number of stand-alone scenes -In Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, veteran actor Rick Dalton finds inspiration and guidance from a child actor (Julia Butters) who can't be more than 10 years old.

For AP Bio: -Aesop Amnesia: Jack Griffin is initially presented as a horribly amoral person driven by revenge. When he finally achieves it, he awakens to the pain he caused others and does the right thing. This happens multiple times each season. -Hollywood Old: Cheryl Lynn Bowers plays Jack Griffin's mom despite not looking too much older than him. In fairness, she's played in flash backs approximately a decade before the present day.

For Concrete Cowboy (not yet a page (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/LeeDaniels)): As Himself: A few members of the cast like Ivanna Mercedes and Jamal Prattis were real north Philadelphia cowboys Composite Character: Cole is based on several characters the author met in his research Parental Neglect: It initially appears that Cole doesn't care much about his son and isn't fully accomodating of another human being in his residence. He hasn't stocked his refrigerator with food and has his son share a room with his source. It's later revealed to be tough love. Calling the Old Man Out: In the film's dramatic midpoint, Cole makes such a speech to his father accusing him of loving horses more than his old son Sink or Swim Mentor: Harp (and the entire cowboy community in general), immediately puts Harp to work on a brutal work regimen without easing him into it.

For Moxie: Two-Teacher School: Principal Shelley (Marcia Gay Harden) and Mr. Davies are the only characters that seem to exist in the lives of these students.

Free Guy: Headscratcher: -Why does Mouser take so long to switch sides?

Concrete Cowboy: Headscratcher: -If it turns out Harp really wanted to connect with his kid after all, why couldn't he have at least stocked his fridge?

Schmigadoon: Headscratcher: -Why does Josh think that crossing the bridge with the school teacher will result in him breaking the curse? He openly admits he's using her to cross the bridge and not pursuing her because he loves her.

Edited by orrink on Sep 8th 2021 at 11:07:14 AM

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SugarButterfly432 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#14878: Sep 8th 2021 at 9:41:02 PM

Heroic Father Figures

  • Abandoned Pet in a Box: In Chapter 13 of Dads vs. Crushes, Izuku and Tetsuo find a rabbit in box in an alleyway on their way back home. Upon seeing the poor thing, Izuku immediately becomes attracts to the rabbit and decided to take her home with her. Chapter 14 has Izuku naming her new pet rabbit; Miyuki.
  • Adaptation Relationship Overhaul: A lot of Izuku's relationships have change in the series.
    • Izuku has a father and daughter relationship with many of the male members of U.A.'s staff here. In canon, her relationship with them is purely just a student and teacher one.
    • Her relationship with Ochaco is pure friendship while canon Ochaco has a crush on Male!Izuku.
    • Both Katsuki and Shoto here have romantic feelings for Izuku and tend to fight over her.
    • While her relationship with Shigaraki hasn't changed since they're still enemies, but it's reveal that Shigaraki has feelings for her as well from all the time he was watching her in her dance lessons.
  • Adult Fear:
    • In Izuku's dreams, it's revealed that her biological father, Hisashi, had actually kidnapped her after leaving her and Inko. The first dream reveals that it happened when Inko went to visit her father in the hospital while leaving Izuku to be watch by a neighbor, who was implied to be killed by Hisashi himself just to get his three-year-old daughter back while her mother was away. The second dream shows that Izuku and her father were living in a house in the woods with Izuku becoming worried about her mother. The entire thing is extremely chilly since as such things can happened in real life.
    • Miyuki, the baby bunny who Izuku found in a dirty box, was found with a broken beg while being scared of Izuku and Tetsuo upon seeing them. The narrative makes painfully clear that she was hurt by humans who took away her mother and left her in the box before Izuku and Tetsuo came by.
  • Beautiful Singing Voice: In Chapter 8 of Heroic Father Figures, Izuku reveals that she has a beautiful singing voice while she was cleaning her classroom. It's reveal that in the same chapter that her uncle had her sign up for singing lessons in hopes that she'll lose interest in becoming a hero.
  • Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: The four boys who work in the restaurant that the girls of soon-to-be Class 2-A were eating appeared to be kind and friendly, but it later reveal that they're actually criminal who remorselessly hurt one of the secretary guards when they were stealing. They're also show to prefer girls who are physically pretty and show to have some prejudice against people of mutate based Quirks. Needles to say, they got what was coming to them by both Eraser Head and Present Mic.
  • Dance Battler: Aside being a good singer, Izuku also takes ballet lessons and uses this to fight against villains and is a beautiful dancer in her class. This was another way to possibly to lose interest in heroism by her uncle again.
  • Fantasy-Forbidding Father: An uncle example. Hinata, Inko's older brother and Izuku's uncle, didn't approve of Izuku's dream of becoming a Pro Hero, as he sees it as a dangerous career. However, he's a doctor and has seen many injuried heroes in the emergency room, with many of them being beaten, disfigured, or dead with their loved ones grieving over their bodies. So his reasons of disapproving her career choice are justified as he simply wants to protect his niece from a gruesome fate and sparing the family from the same pain the families of heroes go through.
  • Gender Flip: In this series, Izuku is a girl instead of a boy.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
Agent2583 Secret Agent2583 from [CLASSIFIED] Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Secret Agent2583
#14880: Sep 9th 2021 at 2:43:24 AM

~Michael Katsuro

@ Sum 41

  • Hold Up Your Score: The music video of "In Too Deep" includes shots of judges judging the diving meet between the band and the jocks. One person who was blinded by a mirror being shone from a spectator scored badly, with a shot of the judges all showing "4.1"

You said that this was written in the past tense, instead of present tense. How could this be changed to be written in the present tense?

Edited by Agent2583 on Sep 9th 2021 at 11:02:51 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14881: Sep 9th 2021 at 4:11:23 AM

[up] You can simply change it into "One person is blinded by a mirror being shone from a spectator and scores badly, the judges all showing "4.1".

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Sep 9th 2021 at 4:11:30 AM

Agent2583 Secret Agent2583 from [CLASSIFIED] Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Secret Agent2583
#14882: Sep 9th 2021 at 5:16:30 AM

  • Hold Up Your Score: The music video of "In Too Deep" includes shots of judges judging the diving meet between the band and the jocks. One person is blinded by a mirror being shone from a spectator and scores badly, the judges all showing "4.1"

So like that?

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#14883: Sep 9th 2021 at 5:24:40 AM

Kathy Rain

A director's cut version will be released in fall 2021, featuring an extended story and new puzzles.

Edited by Avenger09 on Sep 9th 2021 at 3:57:07 PM

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#14884: Sep 9th 2021 at 5:41:46 AM

For Too Bleak, Stopped Caring Anime and Manga:

Edited by Minorica on Sep 10th 2021 at 10:03:46 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14885: Sep 9th 2021 at 7:14:50 AM

Agent 2583: By jingo, that's the lingo!

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14886: Sep 9th 2021 at 7:15:23 AM

Avenger:

"A director's cut version will be released in fall 2021, featuring an extended story and new puzzles."

NoNombre Since: Jul, 2021
#14887: Sep 9th 2021 at 7:53:53 AM

@ Banned in China / China

  • This Chinese-thingy trope also applies to things banned in Taiwan and can be listed here, as it was make more sense since PRC have claim that Taiwan were part of China and thus the trope can be applies to those who said Taiwan is a separate country.
  • While it is unknown if the film was released in mainland China or not, Hong Kong filmmaker Ann Hui's 1982 film Boat Peoplenote , the final part of his Vietnam trilogy films, was banned on Taiwan because it was filmed on Hainan, an island which was still ruled by People's Republic of China. Even famous Hong Kong actor Chow Yun-Fat were declined the role in the movie out of fear for being blacklisted there, and his supposed role were replaced by Andy Lau, who were still a newcomer in the Hong Kong film industry at the time.

Edited by NoNombre on Sep 9th 2021 at 8:12:14 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14888: Sep 9th 2021 at 7:55:19 AM

From page 595 @Stardust 120

Witch's eyes become lifeless after she is experimented on and tortured by Shura.

Ijuna decides to join the enemy side <- no comma (the Nero Empire) <- parentheses and...one can defeat...and she prefers to be the ...

...when she was originally a...joined the enemy side...cut off her hair to a very short length as a sign...cut off her...to the Oasis...

Shura tells this to Shiki after he finishes experimenting on and torturing Witch to the point he already "broke" her.

^ - Zero-Context Example - Tells what to Shiki?

...was murdered by...intention of avenging...she switches sides and joins the...be at Shura's...

Edited by Arivne on Sep 9th 2021 at 7:56:18 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14889: Sep 9th 2021 at 8:14:57 AM

From page 595 @Melinda

into the property of a unapologetic drug lord...While he's completely unapologetic about being a drug dealer...

^ You don't need to say he's unapologetic twice.

...Dane's birthday every year, <- comma even though their birthdays are on the same day.

According to the novel, <- comma his name is Willard Wyndham.

...come up with the idea of hiding from the zombies on top of empty oil tanks)...

...due to being an interesting mixture of ruthlessly competent, hilariously over the top, and willing to coexist peacefully with Wolf Squadron in his second appearance.

^ Which occurred in the second appearance: (A) all three of these traits, or (B) just the last?

A. ...due to, <- comma in his second appearance, <- comma being an interesting mixture of ruthlessly competent, hilariously over the top, and willing to coexist peacefully with Wolf Squadron.

B. ...due to being an interesting mixture of ruthlessly competent, hilariously over the top, and, <- comma in his second appearance, <- comma willing to coexist peacefully with Wolf Squadron.

...and is unable to see her due to living in the God's temple.

^ Who is living in the God's temple? (A) The dignitary or (B) her sister?

A. ...and is unable to see her sister because the dignitary is living in the God's temple.

B. ...and is unable to see her sister due to the sister living in the God's temple.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14890: Sep 9th 2021 at 8:19:18 AM

From page 595 @ElJuaco

I can't see any problems with the English in that example.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14891: Sep 9th 2021 at 8:25:27 AM

From page 595 @Kazuya Prota

Having a grudge against the...Dark coaches Zeus Junior High and uses the Ambrosia to enhance their skills, remaining a formidable foe even without it. ...his wrongdoing, Ray...manipulated <- no comma to...

^ Who remains a formidable foe? The Zeus Junior High players or Dark? Also, even without what? The Ambrosia?

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14892: Sep 9th 2021 at 8:29:21 AM

From page 595 @Bullman

A lot of fans ship Ian Somerhalder and Kat Graham (who played Damon and Bonnie) together <- no comma due to the chemistry they have on screen. The pair's close friendship has also led to many fans shipping the two as well.

^ You're saying the same thing in the second sentence that you did in the first - that fans ship the two actors (Somerhalder and Graham) together.

^ In the first sentence, did you mean to say that the fans ship the two characters together?

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14893: Sep 9th 2021 at 8:37:18 AM

[up] @orrink

Tom's younger sister Rachel (Chloe Grace Moretz) serves as a confidante in a number of stand-alone scenes. <- period

In fairness, she's played in flashbacks approximately a decade before the present day.

A few members of the cast (like Ivanna Mercedes and Jamal Prattis) <- parentheses were real north Philadelphia cowboys. <- period

Cole is based on several characters the author met in his research. <- period

At the film's dramatic midpoint, Cole makes such a speech to his father, <- comma accusing him of loving horses more than his old son. <- period

Harp (and the entire cowboy community in general) <- no comma immediately put Harp...

Edited by Arivne on Sep 9th 2021 at 8:37:56 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14894: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:04:40 AM

[up] @Sugar Butterfly 432

...rabbit in a box in...way back home....becomes attracted to it and decides to take it home...rabbit <- no semi-colon Miyuki.

A lot of Izuku's relationships are changed in the series.

Many of the male members of U.A.'s staff have a father and daughter relationship with Izuku.

Her relationship with Ochaco is pure friendship, <- comma while canon Ochaco has a crush on canon male Izuku.

^ Changed "Male!Izuku" because Characterization Tags are forbidden on TV Tropes.

Both Katsuki and Shoto here have romantic feelings for Izuku and tend to fight over her.

...enemies, but it's revealed that...her as well from...

...Hisashi, had actually kidnapped...be watched by...extremely chilling since as such...can happen in...

...broken beg and was scared...makes it painfully clear...

...she is cleaning...It's revealed that in...in the hope that she would lose...

...eating appear to...it is later revealed that...actually criminals who...the secretary guards when...also shown to...and show to...people with mutate...Quirks. Needless to say, they get what is coming to them from both...

^ I'm not familiar with this work, so I have no idea if "secretary guards" is correct or not.

...lessons, <- comma and uses her ballet skills to...class. This was another way to possibly to lose interest in heroism by her uncle again.

^ That last sentence is irrelevant to the trope.

...many injured heroes...dead and their...reasons for disapproving of her ...justified, <- comma as...and spare the family from the...

Edited by Arivne on Sep 9th 2021 at 9:07:36 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14895: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:18:49 AM

[up] @Minorica

...Us?. <- period Neither the light novel nor its anime adaptation <- no comma received a...Human, has trouble defeating ...help of female...isn't helped by...The works end on...of the Leprechaun...are all dead at...(the light novel has...he fights after...others, <- comma while in the anime, he dies from a Heroic Sacrifice). <- period He is replaced...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#14896: Sep 9th 2021 at 9:29:38 AM

[up] @No Nombre

This Chinese-thingy trope also applies to things banned in Taiwan and can be listed here, as it was make more sense since PRC have claim that Taiwan were part of China and thus the trope can be applies to those who said Taiwan is a separate country.

^ This is not an example, it's an assertion.

...boat people films. <- period It instead tells of the ...under the communist...post-war period, which...reasons they became boat people. <- period the...banned in Taiwan because it was filmed on Hainan, an island which was still ruled by the People's...Even the famous...Yun-Fat were declined a role...fear of being...and he was replaced...who was still...

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#14897: Sep 9th 2021 at 3:24:11 PM

Arivne, I want to say that both The Hero and most of Leprechaun heroines (including Ctholly) died in the light novel and in the anime.

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
mariovsonic999 Since: Feb, 2012
#14898: Sep 9th 2021 at 3:31:28 PM

Some ideas for Legends of Runeterra:

  • Cast from Hit Points:
    • Several Bilgewater cards in the Monument of Power expansion cost their own health to be played, like Boxtopus and Fortune Croaker. This gives Soraka some fodder to heal for the Star Spring's win condition.
    • Despair destroys any targeted card at the cost of the card striking your Nexus. Caution using this spell on cards with Strike or Nexus Strike abilities.
  • Our Mermaids Are Different: The Beyond the Bandlewood expansion features Nami and the Marai, a subspecies of Vastaya that resembles the merfolks, as a representative of Bilgewater.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14899: Sep 9th 2021 at 3:57:46 PM

mariovsonic:

The Happily Adopted example doesn't explain how he's happy to be adopted by Lionheart.

"This happens if Holmes rescue Plum" is bad grammar. Also, that entire note is a bit too Walkthrough Mode.

"He can kill his own mother Karla," doesn't need the word "own", but it does need a comma after "mother".

"his one-sided support bonus, implies that he likes Sharon." How does it indicate this?

"She falls for Mintz if he saves her from execution. Mintz is uncomfortable about it since she is young enough to be his daughter."

"Considering that she is Lionheart's lover, it is implied that she becomes Plum's stepmother after the conflict." This phrasing isn't right. The phrasing "considering..." is usually used about opinions. Like Considering it's not his native language, it's impressive how good he is at English. Or Considering that it cost so much money to make, the movie is a bit disappointing.

What's an Aethin translation?

"it was Morse that accompanies Holmes" is inconsistent, timewise. You gotta use the present tense only, or the past tense only.

"Of Gotoh, who shares his title and role as a great sage and a teacher to his students, one of whom is evil." (Also, the phrase "teacher to his student" is a bit awkward. Of course it's students he's a teacher to, you know?)

"He doesn't appear in person, and Meeme claims that..."

There's no reason as far as I can tell to spoiler the words "he provides Holmes with the history of Lieberia as he accompanies him on his travels."

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#14900: Sep 9th 2021 at 4:02:04 PM

"Use caution when using this spell on cards with Strike or Nexus Strike abilities." (Also, this is Walkthrough Mode.)

The Our Mermaids Are Different example needs to explain what these mermaids (or sort-of-mermaids) are like.


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