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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#10526: Mar 26th 2021 at 12:35:04 PM

@ Literature.A To Z Mysteries

  • Hero of Another Story: In The Ninth Nugget, Thumbs is implied to have lost his thumb in a bear attack that he walked away from otherwise unscratched, but no details are given.
  • Significant Anagram: InThe Haunted Hotel, it's lampshaded that the letters in the names of Corrupt Corporate Executives Eatch, Rail, and Roock can be rearranged to spell cheat, liar, and crook.

Edited by Melinda on Mar 26th 2021 at 6:47:07 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#10527: Mar 26th 2021 at 1:20:48 PM

MGCM: Akisa's Ultimate Magica dress is fully white with a purple accent color, and her unique scarf has starry/celestial sparkles on the inside. Her skills have her using dark matter attacks, and 2 of the skills resembling Sphere of Destruction.

(The first sentence was Word Cruft. Saying "this is an example" usually is. For instance, don't say "Juliet fits this trope. She's in love with Romeo." Just say "Juliet is in love with Romeo.")

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Mar 26th 2021 at 1:21:09 AM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#10528: Mar 26th 2021 at 2:52:57 PM

@ Justice League S 2 E 3 And 4 Tabula Rasa

  • Big Damn Heroes: A few security guards Amazo had overpowered earlier fire at him as he's about to finish off an incapacitated Hawkgirl and try to retrieve the technology Luthor sent him to steal, causing Amazo to break off his attack on the hero.
  • Due to the Dead: Amazo has covered Ivo's body under a sheet and makes sure to gently put his arm back under the sheet once Luthor disturbs it.
  • Feet-First Introduction: Mercy is reintroduced legs first in the work dress she's adapted since becoming LexCorp CEO.
  • Informed Flaw: Most of the thoughts J'onn is shown reading during his A Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Read moments, while not exactly filled with any great depth, don't seem as rotten as he seems to find them.

Edited by Melinda on Mar 26th 2021 at 7:17:39 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#10529: Mar 26th 2021 at 3:34:54 PM

From page 421 and above @Melinda

...dumping most of his water overboard...

...put a flaming arrow through some of Black Stache's sails to...in a dory with what he thinks <- no parentheses is...Leonard will dump the...let the trunk be lost to...

^ A trunk can't "escape" unless it's intelligent.

...just before Black Stache can get it by capturing the Never Land.

Mr. Slank escapes from Black Stache's brig by tying a rope to a cow in the cargo hold...

Alf volunteers to face Mr. Grin voluntarily in exchange...

^ You already said "volunteers", so "voluntarily" is redundant.

The mermaids attack first Slank and then Hook to keep them from getting the Starstuff leaves the feared villains helpless throughout both scenes.

^ This definitely has incorrect English, but there are two possible interpretations.

Which did you mean to say?

The mermaids attack first Slank and then Hook to keep them from getting the Starstuff, <- comma leaving the...

The mermaids' attack (first Slank and then Hook) to keep them from getting the Starstuff leaves the...

Mr. Grin's attempt to eat Hook in the climax of the third book ruins Hook's attempt...ship. <- period while Hook only...

^ If you mention multiple characters and use a pronoun to refer to one of them, it needs to be clear who it's referring to.

A priest entrusted with the tip of Charlemagne's sword resists physical torture from the Skeleton until they threaten...

^ Who is "they"? Is the Skeleton made up of multiple entities?

The scouts The Others send to Mollusk Island in Sword of Mercy <- no comma trigger...

...and attaches a pair of electrified clamps to him, taking him out for a while.

Wendy hurls a chest of starstuff at...(after they've said that if opened, the chest will kill everyone in the flying train car), <- close parenthesis then...

^ Is "starstuff" capitalized (as it was in earlier examples) or not?

Amazo has covered Ivo's body underachiever's sheer and makes sure to gently put his arm back under the sheet once Luthor disturbs it.

^ I have no idea what these two words above mean. I can't even make a guess.

^ I think "sheer' is a misspelling of "sheet", but beyond that...

Edited by Arivne on Mar 26th 2021 at 4:27:07 AM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#10530: Mar 26th 2021 at 3:48:07 PM

Ok, that is a painfully large number of mistakes. sorry. In regards to the very last comment it was under a sheet. I don't know how that became underachiever's sheer.

I also meant the mermaids attack first Slank and then Hook. I''ll make the edits in detail and then post the stuff within the next couple of hours when I have a little more time.

Hopefully I'll be both more accurate and have less stuff to burden you with for the next round.

Edited by Melinda on Mar 26th 2021 at 3:50:30 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#10531: Mar 26th 2021 at 3:56:07 PM

From page 320 @Dr Scavenge 27

...(aka Dr. Ira Billings) <- parentheses is the only one recurring ...has a Freudian Excuse...Despite not being doesn’t nearly as bad as Blight...

^ Who is Blight? As per How to Write an Example - Don't Refer to Other Items on the Page, every example should be self-contained and understandable on its own.

...sometimes throws them...is a disturbingly...abusive counsellor, and...(such as Blight...

Edited by Arivne on Mar 26th 2021 at 3:57:10 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#10532: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:12:51 PM

From page 320 @miraculous

...deaths of his brethren at...the Charmed Ones' identities...Rodriguez uses the framing to manipulate Andy into...love for Prue Haliwell...the demon Tempeus, <- comma who ...kill all of them for good, <- comma leading...giving the Charmed Ones their...

...charismatic, laid back Upper..."allow him to improve from...earlier on in the day, <- comma and...help Rodriguez improve his...are killed, <- comma to ensure its effectiveness and lead to...

...correctly deducing their...to use the power...and sends them there, <- comma leading...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#10533: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:24:54 PM

From page 320 @Stardust 120

...and they become...In Crestoria, <- no apostrophe Eizen...

In Beseria, <- comma Eizen has a misfortune curse due to being was born...stronger to in...In Crestoria, <- comma he has very good luck because this is due to his parents making a deal with a spirit for him to have good fortune at the cost of them never having good fortune again.

...misfortune curse placed upon her after...spirits for her...As a result...can't ever be...This is explains...Eizen, <- comma to prevent the curse from...

After Edna is judged by the vision orb, <- comma and some few people condemn her for the crimes she did not commit. <- period Not only did her vision orb...curse, <- comma not her.

Edited by Arivne on Mar 26th 2021 at 4:26:17 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#10534: Mar 26th 2021 at 4:35:15 PM

Thanks Arivne.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#10535: Mar 26th 2021 at 6:32:52 PM

I did notice the dump/tump mistake and thought I'd changed it but somehow failed, sorry for that. When I say Stache is facing the dilemma of whether to let the trunk escape, I mean the dory containing the trunk.

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#10536: Mar 26th 2021 at 7:53:50 PM

Edited versions of two things you commented on.

When this fails, Leonard puts himself adrift in a dory with what he thinks is the trunk of Starstuff.

  • Due to the Dead: Amazo has covered Ivo's body under a sheet and makes sure to gently put his arm back under the sheet once Luthor disturbs it.

@ The New Scooby-Doo Movies

  • The Meddling Kids Are Useless: In "A Good Medium Is Rare," two cops responding to a call about prowlers (although said prowlers were the gang rather than the bad guys) arrest the jewel thieves with absolutely no help from the gang.
@ Justice League
  • When the other heroes worry that Flash has been injured, they decide that he's fine after he tries to convince Hawkgirl to give him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
  • Smarmy Host Gordon Godfrey utters a weak "Mommy" when he sees the sun being eclipsed.
  • The end of the episode shows Gordon doing his show in a cramped room with only a handful of bored people in the audience. Gordon (still referring to himself as "the glorious one," and trying to sound on top of the world) then asks viewers to tune in to his new time slot: around 4 a.m., right after the farm report.
@ The Green Hornet
  • He's Just Hiding: Danny Clear notices how Chudnofsky left behind a briefcase in his office. Given his Genre Savvy nature and the amount of time it takes Chudnofsky to get clear to detonate the bomb, Danny might have realized what was about to happen and fled in time.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Brit's maid, who seems humorously timid and who he didn't fire (like the other servants) for some reason, could have been a decent recurring minor presence, but only has one scene that lasts less than a minute.
@ Superman: The Animated Series S2 E25-E26 "Apokolips... Now!"
  • Uncertain Doom: The boat Mannheim is fleeing in gets swamped, but not destroyed, by the explosion, leaving his fate unclear (although it's generally believed that he died).
@ Monk
  • Trevor's Character Development is pretty touching and makes it more understandable why Sharona took him back. He's remorseful about his behavior in "Mr. Monk and the Sleeping Suspect" and was inspired to turn his life around as a result. After being Wrongfully Accused of murder and then exonerated by Monk, he passes up any opportunity to make easy money by suing the city, preferring to focus on being there for Sharona and Benji.
  • Julie and Benji's friendship sounds pleasant and mutually supportive during such a trying time for Benji, even though their interactions are primarily off-screen.
@ Tropes G to L
  • Hero of Another Story: In Echoes of Honor several prisoners have spent years hiding in the bush after faking their deaths while receiving assistance from some of the prisoners who remained behind. After the prison revolt, they spend a lot of time capturing (or lynching) fugitive members of the State Sec garrison, relying on the years they spent learning the island's hiding places. They feel like they could have had their own book, but only get mentioned over about two pages.
@ The Love Bug
  • Herbie escapes from Quincey and Max by driving backward for about a quarter-of-a-mile down a narrow mountain road, with Wheely also triggering a rockslide by yodeling to block Quincey and Max.

Edited by Melinda on Mar 27th 2021 at 2:07:04 AM

DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#10537: Mar 26th 2021 at 9:45:44 PM

I got you Arivne.

Edited by DrScavenge27 on Mar 26th 2021 at 9:45:55 AM

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#10538: Mar 27th 2021 at 1:31:15 AM

Here are some more additions and revisions I would appreciate being looked overnote 

A revision to an example of Characters.Buso Renkin:

  • Animal Motif: While he shares family's obsession with butterflies, Dr. Butterfly's animal theme is that of a moth. His great-grandson Papillon Lampshade s this during their confrontation by criticizing Dr. Butterfly for being satisfied fluttering around the light of Big Bad Victor instead of striving for greater beauty and power.

An addition to TabletopGame.Necromunda:

  • Trick Bomb: Anti-plant grenadesnote  contain powerful defoliant chemicals that are harmless to humans and animals, but deadly to plant life. In-game, these weapons have the Defoliate Weapon Trait, meaning that they automatically cause damage to plant life and can quickly destroy a Brainleaf Zombie.

A revision to an example on Characters.Warhammer Age Of Sigmar Grand Alliance Chaos:

  • Ballistic Bone: The skulls of those slaughtered by a Skull Cannon daemon engine are shovelled into the living machine by its Bloodletter crew, before being fired with fortress destroying force at their former comrades.

A revision to Characters.Warhammer 40000 Necrons:

  • Pocket Dimension: Flayed Ones can cut through the fabric of reality with their claws to access a bloody subspace dimension that is sometimes known as the Flayer Dimension. Flayed Ones use this bleak realm to travel throughout the galaxy, appearing with no warning during a battle to slaughter the living before slipping through reality to escape retribution.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Edited by SebastianGray on Mar 27th 2021 at 8:31:34 AM

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#10539: Mar 27th 2021 at 2:14:53 AM

Thank you Michael Katsuro.[tup]

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#10540: Mar 27th 2021 at 5:17:29 AM

For Harsher in Hindsight Anime and Manga:

Edited by Minorica on Mar 27th 2021 at 10:34:45 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#10541: Mar 27th 2021 at 5:38:34 AM

Minorica: This one isn't really an example, since it's not a specific work, and also the anime porn and the real-life rape aren't really connected except for "rape happened."

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#10542: Mar 27th 2021 at 5:47:26 AM

Oh, yeah. In order to qualify it as Harsher in Hindsight, there should be a scene in a specific fictional work that precedes a fictional/real life bad event similar to that scene of the work, right?

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#10544: Mar 27th 2021 at 6:27:52 AM

@ Duplicity

  • Asian and Nerdy: The Asian Dinesh is the computer expert for Garsik's team and aids in finding a way to photocopy the supposed formula.
  • Everyone Has Standards: Garsik's men may be corporate spies, but they let Ray leave unharmed after firing him for stealing.
  • Fake Defector: Dale the security man pretends to be trying to steal Tully's new product to manipulate the people really trying to steal it into stealing worthless data.
@ Peter and the Starcatchers
  • Preston and Harbuckle, the men Black Stache sets adrift, manage to untie themselves as their dory is sinking around them.
  • After picking up Preston and Harbuckle, Slank quickly figures out that they aren't innocent castaways and exposes their deception by asking if a man who died 20 years went down with the ship they claim to have come from.
  • Little Richard successfully fights off six of Black Stache's men during the capture of the Never Land before surrendering to keep Slank from being executed.
  • When George realizes that Superintendent Blake is probably involved in Molly's disappearance, he doesn't hesitate to stand up to the Dirty Cop's bullying in an impressive manner.
@ Dirk Pitt Adventures
  • Prospector: Luis Marquez (who discovers the MacGuffin on his claim) has spent a decade prospecting for colored gemstones in Montana, Nevada, and Colorado and investing his profits in real estate.

Edited by Melinda on Mar 27th 2021 at 2:12:26 AM

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#10545: Mar 27th 2021 at 7:41:54 AM

For YMMV.Redo Of Healer:

  • Estrogen Brigade: The anime adaptation has more female viewers than male ones, ignoring the fact that the anime (and the original light novel) only shows Kayal/Keyaru rapes and torture his sex slaves and his allies, both of whom are all female and the latter are brainwashed by him. Must be seen to believe.
For Isn't It Ironic? Music Real Life:
  • Although YOASOBI's "Yoru ni Kakeru"/"Running in The Night" is popular, most people don't know that its lyrics are implied to be a girl and a boy who decide to have a Suicide Pact, as the lyrics mention that "when you fall, I'll reach your hand", and "fall into the dawnless night".

Edited by Minorica on Mar 27th 2021 at 10:20:15 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#10546: Mar 27th 2021 at 7:49:52 AM

Think that was because of said audiences kinks actually...

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#10547: Mar 27th 2021 at 8:14:20 AM

Minorica: The first one isn't an example. Misaimed fandom is basically about liking different aspects of things than the creator intended, when people sympathize with the villain's motives. It's not for people liking the work as a whole.

Although YOASOBI's "Yoru ni Kakeru" is popular, most people don't know that its lyrics are implied to be about a girl and a boy who decide to have a Suicide Pact, as the lyrics mention that "when you fall, I'll reach your hand", and "fall into the dawnless night".

This one's fine, except that the song title should be in quotes.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#10548: Mar 27th 2021 at 8:16:50 AM

Ok Michael Katsuro, I think it's Estrogen Brigade instead.

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#10549: Mar 27th 2021 at 8:32:21 AM

Also, look what I got in World of Jerkass Anime and Manga:

What does this mean? Does that mean the nobles/royalties/jerkass characters of Redo of Healer are 10 times worse than The Rising of The Shield Hero and Berserk?

Edited by Minorica on Mar 27th 2021 at 10:56:37 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#10550: Mar 27th 2021 at 8:49:44 AM

Well, the passage you're quoting doesn't specifically mention the nobles or royals, but yeah, what they mean is that after you've read Redo of Healer, even Berserk doesn't feel that dark anymore.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Mar 27th 2021 at 8:52:48 AM


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