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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
- Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm. She starts out as a bit of a Villain Protagonist at the beginning of the game and later develops into an Anti-Hero, because she genuinely feels sorry for her atrocities as the previous game's Big Bad, and tries her best to be a better person in order to make amends. However, nobody is eager to forgive her for the millions of innocent people she slaughtered. Even Jim Raynor, the man who helped her get better (elaborate?) in the first place, almost gives up on her after she willingly re-infested herself. Fortunately, she gets better (how so?) by the end of the game.
I would like to see a little more information about how she "gets better", both the first time and the second. I know nothing about the game myself though.
Also, make sure you use namespaces. It was redlinked because you need to link to VideoGame/StarcraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm, and just StarcraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm will give you a Red Link (which is not good).
edited 15th Jul '13 7:52:03 AM by DriftingSkies
Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are... Death awaits you. — NyxThat example is invalid. Kerrigan is not Reformed, but Rejected; she has the influence of the Zerg removed, but her goal is and remains vengeance against Mengsk. She never attempts reformation because she doesn't care about it. Even after she becomes the Swarm Queen again, her goal isn't acceptance.
She wants Jim's acceptance, but it's clear to everyone (including him) that it's a secondary goal.
edited 15th Jul '13 8:16:05 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'd need to see the specific example you want to add to be sure, but from what I can parse, I'm leaning toward "no" on that. In general, "In [work], [character] [does something / is an example because]" is going to be sufficient.
Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are... Death awaits you. — Nyx- Nemo has done this to his Overprotective Dad Marlin.
- In the Disney film The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, Quasimodo gives an incredible speech to Frollo, the churchman who raised him.
- Tai Lung of Kung Fu Panda angrily calls out his adoptive father, Shifu, when he returns to claim the Dragon Scroll. Angrily relaying that everything he ever did was to make him proud. And his fury over Shifu not doing anything when he was denied the scroll.
- Five words: You. Will. Never. Be. Mufasa.
- In Tangled, once Rapunzel is dragged back from Corona and realizes she's the lost princess, she calls Mother Gothel out on stealing her and claiming to protect her when she was using her all along.
All of these examples needed to be moved to Animated Films folder. Please help me to it.
edited 16th Jul '13 7:14:06 AM by Craver357
- Tai Lung of Kung Fu Panda angrily calls out his adoptive father, Shifu, when he returns to claim the Dragon Scroll
. Angrily, angrily relaying that everything he ever did was to make him proud. Andand mentioning his fury over Shifu not doing anything when he was denied the scroll.
The Hunchback Of Notre Dame and Tangled looked fine. Finding Nemo and The Lion King need more context, and some general style fixes. Two Words: Obvious Trope shouldn't be used in write-ups, and you should mention the work name rather than PotHoling it.
edited 16th Jul '13 7:35:02 AM by PPPSSC
Suggestion for the comic book entry of Motive Decay:
- At the very start of The Clone Saga, the Jackal had an actually logical (if twisted) motivation for trying to kill Spider Man (he blamed him for the death of Gwen Stacy). However, when Executive Meddling led to the streching of the saga, he was gradually turned into a crazy Generic Doomsday Villain with nonsensical plots to screw with Peter's life by cloning him and trying to convince him he was a a clone himself, all of this just For the Evulz, and later to conquer the World by killing everybody to replace them with clones. This is a major reason why the Clone Saga is considered by most fans a Dork Age.
I think that can do with some restructuring to make it flow a little more coherently.
How about something such as this?
Many fans consider The Clone Saga of Spider-Man to be the franchise's Dork Age. At its start, the Jackal had a logical (if twisted) motivation for trying to kill Spider-Man (he blamed him for the death of Gwen Stacy). But when Executive Meddling led to the streching of the saga, his original motivations were lost, and he was gradually turned into a crazy Generic Doomsday Villain. His later plots include attempting to screw with Peter's life by cloning him and trying to convince him that he was a clone himself, and to Take Over the World by killing everybody and replacing them with clones.
edited 16th Jul '13 6:50:08 PM by DriftingSkies
Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are... Death awaits you. — Nyx@#1008
PPPSSC: I know, but all I'm asking for is help to move the examples to the Animated Films folder by creating it, since I'm unable to edit at the moment.
This thread is for, well, Getting Help With English. If you want help rearranging examples and such, that would go in another forum (although I'm not familiar enough with the fora to say exactly where).
Drifting Skies: I can see how it comes up more coherently that way, but isn't mentionning the Dork Age aspect first making it weird to post this in the Motive Decay section ?
I thought that too later, after I had come up with it, so I definitely agree with where you are coming from. As such, might I recommend:
- At the start of The Clone Saga of Spider-Man, the Jackal had a logical (if twisted) motivation for trying to kill Spider-Man (he blamed him for the death of Gwen Stacy). But when Executive Meddling led to the streching of the saga, his original motivations were lost, and he was gradually turned into a crazy Generic Doomsday Villain. His later plots include attempting to screw with Peter's life by cloning him and trying to convince him that he was a clone himself, and to Take Over the World by killing everybody and replacing them with clones. This is a major part of why many fans consider The Clone Saga to be the franchise's Dork Age.
* At the start of ''TheCloneSaga'' of ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'', the Jackal had a logical (if twisted) motivation for trying to kill Spider-Man (he blamed him for the death of [[ILetGwenStacyDie Gwen Stacy]]). But when ExecutiveMeddling led to the streching of the saga, his original motivations were lost, and he was gradually turned into a crazy GenericDoomsdayVillain. His later plots include attempting to screw with Peter's life by cloning him and trying to convince him that he was a clone himself, and to TakeOverTheWorld by killing everybody and replacing them with clones. This is a major part of why many fans consider ''The Clone Saga'' to be the franchise's DorkAge.
edited 18th Jul '13 5:55:52 AM by DriftingSkies
Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are... Death awaits you. — Nyx![]()
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@Captain Peregrin: I know that this thread is for getting help with English, but I thought another troper would help me out about my edits, just like the above information had promised ("If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected"). Does this mean that I had to edit for myself (Which I'm unable to do so at the moment) after my grammar had been corrected?
Okies, sorry about that. Like I said, I'm still learning the ropes around the fora. Still, if you just want to rearrange preexisting entries, there's probably a better place to ask for help. I know I'm just tuned to correcting grammar when I'm on this thread xD
Suggestion for WesternAnimation.Kaijudo Rise Of The Duel Masters YMMV:
- What An Idiot: Carny in Caught in the Spotlight; right after his father advised him to not do anything stupid at the beginning of the episode, he immediatly summons his creature in a public area (hidden from most public, but still) to show it to his friends and start indiscriminately using its attack just to show off. Not only does he end up almost causing an accident, but a picture of him is made and ends up on the Internet, his father his understandably mad at him, and the Choten wants his skin.
edited 23rd Jul '13 5:29:17 AM by Theokal3
What an Idiot: Carny in Caught in the Spotlight; right after his father advised him to not do anything stupid at the beginning of the episode, he immediatly summons his creature in a public area (hidden from most public, but still) to show it to his friends and start indiscriminately using its attack just to show off. Not only does he end up almost causing an accident, but a picture of him is made and ends up on the Internet, his father his understandably mad at him, and the Choten wants his skin.
What An Idiot: Carny in Caught in the Spotlight. Mere moments after his father advises him not to do anything stupid, he summons his creature in a public venue to show it to his friends, and he starts indiscriminately using its attack to show off. Not only does he almost cause an accident, but a picture of him ends up on the Internet, his father is enraged, and the Choten is after him. Beyond the beaten path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are... Death awaits you. — Nyx
- Theodore Tugboat: In "The Grumpy Garbage Barge", Theodore's mood went from good to bad after he couldn't tolerate Guysborough's grumpiness. He starts frowning at Emily and George, who also frowns and went on to complain to others until everyone gets snappy with each other. When the Dispatcher demands to all the tugboats to explain why they were misbehaving, Emily's reply is that they're just in a grumpy mood.
- Juliet herself in Romeo and Juliet. Though Romeo is already a character who often let his emotions run wild, she is not far off from acting on her own impulses too. The reason why she and her husband's lives ended in their suicides was when she jumped to the decision to arrange plans with Friar Lawrence to help fake her death via a sleeping potion, unaware of what would happen if said plan were to fail and Romeo was unable to get the message from the Friar.
A couple of Suggestion For the Blazing Dragons main page.
Reckless Crossbow Usage: In the pilot episode blaze keeps his crossbow loaded at all times and accidently fires it multiple times.
Schizo Tech: The level of technology on this show mainly depends on Rule of Funny for example A toilet appears in the pilot episode and another episode had the knights use a speedboat as part of a gag.
Ship Tease: Flicker and flame Get a lot of these moments, mainly in the first season but there was at least one instance of this between them in season two.
edited 23rd Jul '13 11:44:45 AM by Apegacine
- Theodore Tugboat: In "The Grumpy Garbage Barge", Theodore's mood went from good to bad
after he couldn't toleratebecause of Guysborough's grumpiness. He starts frowning at Emily and George, whoalso frownsstart frowning back, and went on to complain to others until everyone gets snappy with each other. When the Dispatcher demandstothat all the tugboatstoexplain why they were misbehaving, Emily'sreply isreplies that they're justin afeeling grumpymood.
- Juliet herself in Romeo And Juliet. Though Romeo
is already a character whooften let his emotions run wild, [she is not far off from acting on her own impulses too]. The reason whyshe and her husband's lives ended in their suicidestheir lives ended in suicide waswhenthat she jumped to the decision to arrange plans with Friar Lawrence to help fake her death viaasleeping potion,unawarenot thinking of what would happen if said plan were to fail and Romeo was unable to get the message from the Friar.
Italicized all of the verbs I could find - they need to be in the same tense, be it present or past. The part in brackets doesn't make a lot of sense and should be reworded. Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you, but the longer the entry, the easier it is to make mistakes xD
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Reckless Crossbow Usage: In the pilot episode, Blaze keeps his crossbow loaded at all times and accidentlyaccidentally fires it multiple times. - Schizo Tech: The level of technology on this show mainly depends on Rule of Funny. For example, a toilet appears in the pilot episode, and another episode
hadhas the knights use a speedboat as part of a gag. - Ship Tease: Flicker and Flame get a lot of these moments, mainly in the first season, but there was at least one instance of this between them in season two.
Looks like you're having problems with capitalization and punctuation, but otherwise it doesn't look bad. In general, names are capitalized, and other words are only capitalized if they follow a period (.) or colon (:) (with the exception of Wiki Words, of course). A good rule of thumb for commas is to put them right before a conjunction ("but", "and", etc.) or just where there's a natural pause in the middle of a sentence (like "For example,").
edited 23rd Jul '13 1:40:59 PM by CaptainPeregrin
But I am a cat, and no cat anywhere ever gave anyone a straight answer
Never mind. There's no need to help with Bad Mood as an Excuse example regarding Theodore Tugboat, since someone had added the example already. I just need to try to correct the Hysterical Woman example regarding Romeo and Juliet.
- In Romeo and Juliet, though Romeo often lets his emotions get the better of him, Juliet herself was not far off from acting on her own impulses too. The reason why their lives ended in suicide is that she jump to the decision to arrange plans with Friar Lawrence to help fake her death via sleeping potion, not thinking of what would happen if said plan were to fail and Romeo was unable to get the message from the Friar.
A suggestion for the YMMV page of Avengers Assemble:
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Bruce Banner is completely absent from this show; this incarnation of the Hulk apparently stays transformed permanantly (and unlike in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, no explanation is given why; Banner isn't even mentionned), and, since he lacks the Jekyll and Hyde Split Personnality, is reduced to a Dumb Muscle Blood Knight whose most dialogues can be summed up as "Time to smash" or "Give me something to hit". Especially surprising considering this show tries to emulate the spirit of the Avengers movie, which was partially popular because of Banner.
edited 24th Jul '13 11:48:32 AM by Theokal3
Please, verify my grammar in this example to the Heartwarming page of Phineas And Ferb:
- In Candace's dream, Phineas and Ferb's inventions are portrayed as perfectly safe in relation to the "safe" way preached by an authority figure and Linda- being the "busting" version of the Wizard Of Oz- is portrayed as a fun-loving Reasonable Authority Figure unlikely to punish the boys by their inventions. This is specially heartwarming when compared to Perry's Dream Within a Dream in Phineas And Ferb Are Busted.
edited 28th Jul '13 5:06:25 AM by MagBas
Makes one week that i put the example above. I am guessing in put this other example in Phineas And Ferb, this time to the Fridge page:
- Why Candace dreamed with Linda being tolerant with the fun ways created by the boys if she generally acts as if she guess that she will be really angry? Well, Candace is the member of the family that interacts more often with Linda's tolerant side.
Please, verify my English.
edited 2nd Aug '13 5:47:49 PM by MagBas

Suggestion for the video game entry of Reformed, but Rejected: