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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
- Alternate Character Interpretation: When Miller looks uncomfortable as he watches Jed hang, is this a Pet the Dog moment, or is Miller contemplating how that might be his fate one day?
- One-Scene Wonder
- The cigar-chewing prisoner who tells the hangman to Get It Over With.
- The Prophet, a crazed prisoner who Marshall Bliss shoots during an escape attempt.
- Charlie Blackfoot appears in two scenes, but he has no dialogue during the lynching and makes a strong impression with his dignified decision to flee from Jed rather than try to kill him.
- In The Grey Zone, the inmates who work at Crematorium II are also part of the revolt and plan to escape through the wire, but remain off-screen as the story follows the Death Seeker prisoners of crematorium IV.
- Salqam-Jangir Khan, head of the Kazhak Khanate, is hired to attack the heroes of the Russian plotline. Upon realizing that the Russians will make better allies than enemies, he quickly switches sides, while taking the Mouth of Sauron character who hired him prisoner and turning the guy over to Bernie and his allies as a sign of good faith. Khan becomes a subordinate of the Russians on paper, seeing it as an opportunity to get them to support his dynasty as hereditary governors and forestall any coup attempts. Salqam then proceeds to become head of the new nation's pro-slavery faction but is willing to allow slaves to have the right to vote, signifying that they are not to be seen as subhuman and may elect representatives who are more likely to free them. Khan also pledges to execute any of his nobles who try to control the votes of their slaves, suspecting this will give him a chance to execute his political rivals.
@ The Yankee Plague a new page I want to make. When I cross-wick the tropes, should I put them under literature or real-life?
The Yankee Plague: Escaped Union Prisoners and the Collapse of the Confederacy is a Non-Fiction novel following several escaped Union prisoners in the last days of the Civil War. The various groups of prisoners are all well-developed characters, but serve more as tools for author Lorien Foote to describe the eroding control of the Confederate government and the vast number of slaves and deserters willing to help the prisoners for one reason or another.
Tropes:
- Angry Guard Dog: Dogs are presented as a major threat to the fleeing prisoners, either betraying their presence by barking or badly mauling them.
- Badass Preacher: Four prisoners are recaptured by a Southern reverend: three at gunpoint and one after a brutal fistfight.
- Enemy Mine: Countless Confederate deserters and their families help fleeing Union prisoners (and occasionally accompany them to Union lines). Not all of them are sympathetic to the Union's goals, but they recognize that the sooner the Confederacy falls, the sooner they can come out of hiding.
- Noble Bigot: The vast majority of the Union escapees consider themselves superior to African-Americans and take their help for granted (especially at first). However, they try not to needlessly endanger their hosts and are deeply grateful for the help they've received by the end of their journey. A few groups of Union soldiers (although none of the main characters) assist slaves in making their own escapes while journeying to Union lines.
- Road Block: A group of Southern citizens interdict a road to capture fleeing prisoners, but several slaves wait near the road ahead of them and stop and warn those prisoners.
- "Shaggy Dog" Story: One prisoner, Mattocks, is recaptured just two hours of hiking away from reaching freedom (after having traveled over 300 miles). He then finds out that if he'd stayed at the prison camp just two days longer, he would have been exchanged for a Confederate prisoner.
- Two Lines, No Waiting: The plot alternates between four different groups of fleeing Union prisoners (with lots of others briefly mentioned) who never encounter each other.
Edited by Melinda on Feb 6th 2021 at 1:24:16 AM
Grow
- Gratuitous Greek: The mobile versions of Grow Cube and Grow RPG have Japan-exclusive extansions called Grow Cube Omega and Grow RPG Sigma.
- No Name Given: While several creatures have their names revealed in other games by the same creator, most of them aren't given a name anywhere.
Knuckleheads
- An Aesop: It's not a series that runs on aesops but The Silicon Psycho episode does tell a message that making fun of people during their childhood can have a bad impact on them once they grow up.
- All Men Are Perverts: Raoul lusts on and attempts to flirt with every attractive women he meets. His father is no different.
- Blatant Lies: Walter claims to his wife that he hated having sex with a bunch of alien women, even though he clearly enjoyed himself. She's not fooled and she slaps him and tells him she was just turning the light off (she installed lamp that turn on and off by clapping the hands in her garden earlier).
- Schoolyard Bully All Grown Up: Even as an adult, Harvey Smitty doesn't regret bullying Nealan who would grow up to become the Silicone Psycho. In contrast, Jimmy, who was another bully of Nealann, grew up to become a police officier and visited Nealan in prison to apologize to Nealan after his arrest.
- Cultural Translation: The season 1 episodes were reanimated when they were translated in other language than the original French one, they also modified every references to Quebec to be references about Canada in general.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: The air-force attempts to attack a Zwizz spaceship, only for the spaceship to obliterate every planes in less than a second.
- Early-Installment Weirdness: The concept of the Knuckheads started with short episodes that were only a few minutes long and didn't have reccuring characters, though character designs tended to be re-used. They latter switched to a 20 minutes episodes format and established an universe but they still did a few short episodes after that.
Henry Stickmin Series
- Disembodied Eyebrows: All characters' eyebrows float above their heads.
For YMMV.MGCM:
- Common Knowledge: "The regular version is the DX version without pornographic scenes. So the DX version is the original." While the regular version does have its pornographic contents removed, both versions are released simultaneously. Which one is canon, depends on what you want to choose.
Minorica: "The regular version is the DX version without the pornographic scenes. So the DX version is the original." While the regular version does have the pornographic content removed, both versions were released simultaneously. They're both equally 'the original version'."
Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Feb 6th 2021 at 7:05:59 PM
Thanks, Michael Katsuro.
Another edit. I hope, it last before I will be unbanned.
To SMG4's Mario Bloopers - Tear Jerker:
- Ending of The Resurrection. Mario and company were unable to resurrect Greg. It gets even worse when you realize that Meggy herself experienced the death of a friend and wanted to resurrect Greg because she knew what it was like to lose a friend.
To SMG4's Mario Bloopers - Awesome:
- Battle with Temple Guard from The Resurrection.
- Anno Dracula character pages
Dracula :
- Mask of Sanity: Dracula is a deranged psychopath but he hides it very well and acts as ever the polite host. It's only during his breakdowns that his vicious true self comes to the surface.
- Psychopathic Manchild: Dracula is described as having a "child Brain" and frequently does his evil for childish boredom and for fun. He even let's zoo animals wonder throughout the halls and greets guests in the nude.
Christiana Light:
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Light really does believe that she can create a better world for both vampires and humans alike but is willing to go to extreme lengths including starting a bloody war with Dracula to achieve it.
Mikey: You're not going to be unbanned until you write with correct English (and to be blunt, as things stand you keep making the same errors I already told you about), or if you promise the mods to only make edits that have been run through this thread first.
The ending of The Resurrection. Mario and company are unable to resurrect Greg. It gets even worse when you realize that Meggy herself experienced the death of a friend and wanted to resurrect Greg because she knew what it was like to lose a friend.
The battle with the Temple Guard from The Resurrection.
Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Feb 6th 2021 at 7:52:56 PM
From page 390,
x 7 @Melinda
When Miller looks uncomfortable as he watches Jed hang, is this a Pet the Dog moment, or is Miller contemplating how that might be his fate one day? <- question mark
The various groups of prisoners are all well-developed characters, <- comma but...
Four prisoners are recaptured by a Southern reverend: three at gunpoint...
Countless Confederate deserters and their families help fleeing Union...
However, they try not to needlessly endanger their hosts <- no comma and are...
A group of Southern citizens interdict a road to capture fleeing prisoners, but several slaves wait near the road ahead of them to warn those prisoners.
Edited by Arivne on Feb 6th 2021 at 11:19:54 AM
The Civil war non-fiction novel I just made didn't launch because the title had too many characters, so I'm changing it to The Yankee Plague
Edited by Melinda on Feb 6th 2021 at 1:18:29 AM
While I wait to see if the Civil war story page can be salvaged, Ii've decided that today is one of those days that rather than save up all of my tropes for one big post in the evening, I'll make a series of small ones (albeit watching the combined word count) on the off chance of getting an earlier reply. @ 1632 Magnificent Bastard
- Spymaster and assassin Pedro Dolor from the Vatican plotline serves as The Heavy against Ruy, Sharon, and the others. Dolor is a mysterious, imposing figure who appears out of nowhere to serve Cardinal Borja, working to thwart the goals of more sympathetic characters (such as by ambushing one of Harry's rescue missions or infiltrating a city with the intent of killing the Pope). Dolor is fully willing to thwart the sympathetic goals of the heroes and kill any subordinates who become liabilities to him, but he is also utterly disgusted by the rampant sadism among many of his allies. His efforts are designed to gain more trust from the usurper Pope and the Spanish crown, who he plans to turn on once he achieves enough power, in revenge for being abandoned on the streets of Madrid and ignored by Spain's nobles as a boy.
Edited by Melinda on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:33:45 AM
@ Midnight Run Adding to the end of an Alternate Character Interpretation entry to provide a little context.
That Marvin abruptly asks for more money in addition to the advance payment while he's meeting the mobsters instead of during their negotiations on the phone certainly leaves room for the possibility.
Edited by Melinda on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:36:13 AM
@ Film/Spotlight Reassigned to Antarctica
- Although it's not mentioned in the film itself, Bishop D'Arcy (who wrote a letter urging Law to remove Father Geoghan from active parish duty) was reassigned to an Indiana parish while Geoghan was left in place.
Edited by Melinda on Feb 6th 2021 at 6:06:19 AM
I'd appreciate a second opinion on whether D'Arcy's Reassigned to Antarctica trope is illegible. I understand the logic why Michael is saying it isn't, but I feel like I've seen trope for topics referring to things that happened to the characters and didn't get shown in the actual movie, not to mention Word of God examples for fiction.
- After the two jurors most sympathetic to the case are dismissed due to threatening letters , Kunstler calls out Foran for probably sending them himself and threatens to have him arrested.
- After Rennie is hit by the police, John calls out what they're doing from the bandstand to try and stop them.
- Throughout the riot, Dellinger makes repeated attempts to stop violence from breaking out.
- The hilarious subversion of the usual Conversation Cut by having the future defendants voicing the opposite opinions in their respective establishing character moments. For example, Abbie making a speech about meeting violence with violence cuts to Dellinger talking about using non-violence.
- Schultz's boss asks if he really thinks that the trial will have an audience, at which point protestors chanting "The whole world is watching" become audible.
- The judge repeatedly misreads Dellinger's name as Derringer even as Schultz repeatedly tries to correct him.
- When John is asked if he has any opinions about how things are going, he says that he thinks their judge might be crazy.
- When Kunstler asks if everyone has everything off their chest after the first day of court Fred barges in, accusing Kunstler of speaking for Bobby, which causes Kunstler to dryly answer his own question with "evidently not."
- When Rubin asks why none of the jurors are hippies, Kunstler asks if he's ever answered a jury duty summons.
- One-Scene Wonder: Juror #6, the youngest and most sympathetic of the jurors, who is dismissed from the jury after the judge bullies her into saying that she can't be completely impartial.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Dellinger is a nuanced Nice Guy, Family Man, and Actual Pacifist with a history of anti-war activism dating back to World War II, and a very talented actor. Unfortunately, outside of his introductory scene, the flashbacks to the riot, and the scene where he snaps and punches a bailiff, he's mostly a passive spectator throughout the story.
- Those Two Guys: Weiner and Froines, the two minor defendants, usually appear together and have a humorous banter.
Edited by Melinda on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:48:56 AM
Here's one more spot before my next round of feedback. It does put me a little over my regular limit, but only if included with Spotlight (which Michael already checked for good grammar, and is fine to go assuming that it is allowed despite not being mentioned in the film itself).
- Historical Villain Upgrade: David Stahl's Obstructive Bureaucrat interactions with the defendants doesn't mention that Stahl was against the Vietnam War itself; he was just against protests to.
- Harsher in Hindsight: Flashbacks show Rennie bleeding from a head wound after being beaten by the police. Mere months after the film's release, the real Davis died of lymphoma, the symptoms of which include head and neck pain.
@DuckTales (2017) S3 E5 "Louie's Eleven!"
- Benevolent Boss: Daisy compliments the party staff for good work and covers for them when they disappoint Emma.
- Distinction Without a Difference: The Three Caballeros tell Scrooge they aren't asking him to give them money, but rather expensive stuff like a jet. Then they decide he's too busy to go jet-shopping and say they would just take the money to do it themselves.
Edited by Melinda on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:55:44 AM
For Complete Monster
- Hawaii Five 0: Connor Russell and Roger Barton are members of the United Aryan Division who are aiming for violence for racist aims. The smug Barton whose a murderer already helps to co-ordinate Russell's rascist propaganda to the rest of Division and his plan to bomb the Wailele Community Center. Russell meanwhile is cold and sociopathic and brutally kills both a bystander and a cop who were in his way. Their ultimate plan is to bomb the community center where hundreds of kids of all races will be present intending for their to be "Blood from sea to shining sea".
- Unholy Blood: Sahan is a member of the "Angels of Death" who specialises in vampire recruitment. Once a psychologist who despised his patients for not following his advice, Sahan throws his lot in with the mysterious vampire progenitor God and becomes a vampire with hypnosis abilities. Sahan recruits troubled and abused teenagers and then preys on them, twisting them into vampire Cannon Fodder. When one of his subjects refuses, Sahan has her mentally violated with visions of her abusive father and later tries to kill heroine Hayan in the Same manner. Sahan eventually tries to force his brainwashed students into fighting to the death against heroine Hayan and when that fails attempts to have hundreds of innocents kill rip their hearts out if she doesn't submit to his monstrous aims.
Cleaned up the grammar on the Hawaii-Five 0 example, and did some more corrections:
Hawaii Five-0: Connor Russell and Roger Barton are members of the United Aryan Division who are aiming for racist violence. The smug Barton, already a murderer, helps to co-ordinate Russell's rascist propaganda to the rest of Division and his plan to bomb the Wailele Community Center. Russell meanwhile brutally kills both a bystander and a cop who were in his way. His ultimate plan is to bomb the community center where hundreds of kids of all races will be present, intending to make "Blood from sea to shining sea".
- I think "racist violence" is better than "violence for racist aims".
- There is little in the actual episode that supports characterizing Russell beyond him being racist.
- Barton says "If I knew [what Russell is aiming at] you might be able to beat it out of me" which raises questions about whether he knows what Russell's actual target is.
For MGCM:
- Heroes Gone Fishing: When the heroines don't fight demons, they sometimes go to the mall, Finland, to the beach, etc. Though they still fight demons even in their vacation.
Edited by Minorica on Feb 7th 2021 at 10:44:01 PM
"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."- Heroes Gone Fishing: When the heroines don't fight demons, they sometimes go to the mall, Finland, the beach, etc. Though they still fight demons even when they're on vacation.
Thank you Michael Katsuro.

jahman: The phrasing "Aine would see herself as this" is not ideal. First of all, the tense is wrong—it should be "will see herself". Secondly, see herself as what? You need to spell it out.