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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#801: Feb 23rd 2013 at 12:19:32 PM

Can someone help me with this Playing with page for Famed in Story?

  • Basic Trope: There are stories told and ballads sung about this character.
  • Played Straight: There is a ballad inspired by Bob’s heroic struggle against the Evil Overlord.
  • Exaggerated: All ballads sung in Tropetia are about Bob’s adventures.
  • Downplayed: There are some rumors running around about a fellow named Bob Yellow Pants and his Ragtag Bunch of Misfits.
  • Justified: One of Bob’s friends was a bard and decided to write a song based on their adventures.
  • Inverted: The Greatest Story Never Told
  • Subverted: The ballad about Bob’s adventures never becomes popular and is quickly forgotten.
  • Double Subverted: Then another song is written and this one gains popularity, making Bob famous.
  • Zig Zagged: Most songs about Bob are quickly forgotten, exept for one, which is wildly popular for a while. Then Alice Green Jacket appears and Bob is left in the shadows. He does something even more spectacular and becomes famous again, just to lose his populrity to Susan Ret Shoes.
  • Averted: Bob doesn’t become famous and there are no stories told about his adventures.
  • Parodied: Bob is especially famous for his yellow pants. There are even songs comparing them to the golden sun.
  • Lampshaded: “Let me tell you a story about Bob Yellow Pants, our greatest hero.”
  • Discussed: “I wonder if someday someone will write a song about our adventures.”
  • Conversed: “In all these books heroes always become famous and have stories told about them at the end.”
  • Invoked: Bob tells his story to a bard and asks him to write a ballad.
  • Defied:: Bob eliminates all bards who wish to create songs based on his adventures.
  • Deconstructed: Bob is so famous and recognizable it becomes hard for him to fight crime, since villains hearing about his arrival tend to move to another area.
  • Reconstructed: Bob uses his fame to encourage other people to take the mantle of crime-fighting.

edited 25th Feb '13 9:13:07 AM by Ciabella

RysioPysio Since: Jan, 2013
#802: Feb 25th 2013 at 4:09:36 AM

Hi everyone. This time it will be shorter than usually

30 Days of Night:

  • Artistic License – Chemistry: Crude oil hardly burns. And yet somehow it catches fire just like gasoline.
  • Badass Normal: Beau, especially in his Dying Moment of Awesome. He singlehandly deals with two dozens of vampires, kills most of them and badly mutilates other. Eben also counts, before becoming Badass Abnormal.
  • Better to Die than Be Killed: Beau's conclusion during his Suicide Mission.
  • Decapitated Army: Literally. After Eben blows Marlowe's brain out, the rest of the vampires just stumble around, not sure what to do.
  • Determinator: Eben. Clearly outpowered, outnumbered and succumbing to vampirism. And yet he still fight back.
  • Dwindling Party: Five people survive from the whole group. And the town of 152.
  • The Load: Dementive old father, who is not really aware what's going on around. Or maybe he just Go Mad from the Revelation.
  • Make It Look Like an Accident: Vampires' MO. Kill everyone and burn everything to the ground, so there are no witnesses and everything can be blamed on freak accident with pipeline.
  • Men Are the Expendable Gender: After initial killing spree during Taking Over the Town sequence, none of female characters dies. Yet the party is constantly thawing.
  • Mercy Kill: For Billy. It's messy, but still much more gentle than any other option.
  • No Name Given: None of the vampires is named in-story. All their names comes from credits.
  • Product Placement: Hey, we find here some chocolate, vitamins and a bottle of Smirnoff!
  • The Quisling: Unintentionally, the girl used as bait. She helps vampires, because it's better than being killed on spot. It's more than obvious that she is heavily traumatised by this. And when there is no-one else to eat...
  • Sadistic Choice: Vampires set up a trap early on - a lone girl is wandering around, shouting for help. Heroes can choose - die, going for impossible rescue or let her die. A scene later Eben is Forced to Watch as the vampires proceed with killing the girl.
  • Scylla and Charybdis: When the whole town burns, Stella and Gail are hiding beneth car wrack. Their options are either to run away, being killed almost on spot... or burn alive.
  • Taking You with Me: Beau was trying to pull this with a box of dynamite. Amusingly, he survived the explosion.
  • Vampire Infectee: Carter. He choose to be killed than fully turn.
  • Villain: Exit, Stage Left: The remaining vampires just... walk around, because it's not even clear if they are trying to run away or hide from incoming sun.
  • Who Wants to Live Forever?: Carter lost his wife and kids in accident and hardly can live without them. The idea of spending whole eternity without them is unbearable for him.

edited 25th Feb '13 4:35:08 AM by RysioPysio

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#803: Feb 25th 2013 at 4:55:30 AM

[up][up] Ciabela, I suggest you take it also to this forum thread which discusses Playing With Wiki. They will help you with the played-with tropes and with the language. My guess is you got it mostly right, but it's good to have it double-checked. smile

I spotted some mistakes.

  • Basic Trope: There are stories told and ballads sang about this character.
    • You need sung, the past participle form.
  • Played Straight: There is a ballad inspired by Bob’s heroic straggle against the Evil Overlord.
    • I believe you mean struggle; straggle means to wander or ramble.
  • Exaggerated: All ballads sang in Tropetia are about Bob’s adventures.
    • sung instead of sang
  • Defined: The trope is not defined, but defied. See Defied Trope.

edited 25th Feb '13 4:57:00 AM by XFllo

phoenixdaughterAM Since: Jan, 2010
#804: Feb 25th 2013 at 9:20:26 AM

For the YMMV page of YMMV/Brave.

Under the Broken Base.

edited 25th Feb '13 9:28:09 AM by phoenixdaughterAM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#805: Feb 25th 2013 at 9:30:57 AM

Note to self: The presence of a source button is badly missed in TV Tropes's Get Help With English thread:

@Rysio: While I approve of the presence of context here, completely spoilered examples are undesirable.

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  • Men Are the Expendable Gender: After the Article initial killing spree during the Again article Taking Over the Town sequence, none of female characters dies. Yet the party is constantly thawing.
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  • Vampire Infectee: Carter. He choose to be killed rather Better with a rather than fully turn into a vampire Sounds better this way.
  • Villain: Exit, Stage Left: The remaining vampires just... walk around, because it's not even clear if they are trying to run away or hide from the Another article incoming sun.
  • Who Wants to Live Forever?: Carter lost his wife and kids in an Article accident and hardly can live on Missing on without them. The idea of spending the Missing article whole eternity without them is unbearable for him.

I see that you need to use articles better.

@phoenixdaughter AM:

Good, but it's an example of Award Snub more than Broken Base.

edited 25th Feb '13 9:33:39 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#806: Feb 25th 2013 at 9:45:11 AM

[up] Addendum to Who Wants to Live Forever?: It should be "the whole of eternity", not "the whole eternity". (The latter is technically grammatically correct, but it's not used.)

[up][up] Western Animation fans were increasingly enraged at the fact that Brave won the Oscars when most think that it's So Okay, It's Average and that it shut Wreck-It Ralph or Para Norman out of an Oscar win.

Brave did not snub the other movies; the people choosing the awards did. Also, you cannot "snub a thing [out] of something"; "to snub" means "to express disdain by ignoring".

edited 25th Feb '13 9:45:21 AM by Nocturna

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#807: Feb 25th 2013 at 9:46:30 AM

Is that really the sort of example we want to be adding to Award Snub? That's so subjective as to be meaningless: Fans of <X> think it should have won an award? Gee, color me surprised.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#808: Feb 25th 2013 at 10:12:45 AM

Nobody's adding examples to Award Snub without getting an all-expenses paid trip to the Edit Banned topic.

They say of adding it to Brave.

Admittedly, it seems to put emphasis on the fan reaction as opposed to the actualy snub, so I would disrecommend its addition.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
RysioPysio Since: Jan, 2013
#810: Feb 25th 2013 at 3:06:10 PM

Articles, I oficially declare war on you! Still - thanks a lot for help. At least there is a place where I can always hope for it ^^

And about spoilers - it's really hard to list some tropes without spoiling the work you are writting about :/

edited 26th Feb '13 12:45:09 AM by RysioPysio

dracone Since: Dec, 2010
#811: Mar 1st 2013 at 7:03:43 PM

this line is at the Incorruptible Pureness page "Or the fact that the most evilest thing she could think pf was jaywalking." It's supposed to read Or the fact that the most evil thing she could think of was jaywalking. I would fix it myself, but I am currently on suspension and have to rely on another troper to see this and hope they will mend the error, sorry if I'm inconveniencing anyone.

edited 1st Mar '13 7:05:20 PM by dracone

Sanity is a delusion perpetuated by the masses
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#812: Mar 2nd 2013 at 5:31:42 AM

This Capitalization line is at the Incorruptible Pure Pureness You missed both the Pure and the CamelCase page "Or the fact that the most evilest thing she could think pf was jaywalking." It's supposed to read "Do not forget the "Or the fact that the most evil thing she could think of was jaywalking. I would fix it myself, but I am currently on suspension and have to rely on another troper to see this and hope they will mend the error, sorry if I'm inconveniencing anyone.

Nocturna took care of the fix, I did of the grammar.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#813: Mar 2nd 2013 at 11:19:50 AM

Can someone help me with this entry?

  • Always Chaotic Evil/Always Lawful Good: Played with. Magical girls are considered good by definition. Their magical system requires user to be pure-hearted, but if a magical girl is strong-willed enough she can keep her powers even after losing her innocence. Born mages are believed to be evil, but Chronos proves there can good-natured mages as well. Their villainy seems to be more upbringing than anything else.

edited 2nd Mar '13 11:21:47 AM by Ciabella

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#814: Mar 2nd 2013 at 11:22:28 AM

  • Always Chaotic Evil: Played with. Magical girls are considered good by definition. Their magical system requires the Missing the user to be pure-hearted, but if a magical girl is strong-willed strong not stong enough she can keep her powers even after losing her innocence. Born mages are believed to be evil, but Chronos proves there can be Missing be good-natured mages as well. Their Their not thier villainy seems to be more upbringing than anything else.

I do not know of any trope for Always Lawful Good.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#815: Mar 3rd 2013 at 5:26:21 AM

I will divide this example into two entries:

  • Always Chaotic Evil: Played with. Born mages are believed to be evil, but Chronos proves there can be good-natured mages as well. Their villainy seems to be more upbringing than anything.
  • Always Lawful Good: Played with. Magical girls are considered good by definition. Their magical system requires the user to be pure-hearted, but if a magical girl is strong-willed enough she can keep her powers even after losing her innocence.

edited 3rd Mar '13 5:42:37 AM by Ciabella

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#816: Mar 3rd 2013 at 5:29:03 AM

  • Always Lawful Good: Played with. Magical girls are considered good by definition. Their magical system requires the user to be pure-hearted, but if a magical girl is enough strong-willed she can keep her powers even after losing her innocence.

I moved the "enough" since as written it looked awkward.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#818: Mar 3rd 2013 at 11:30:00 AM

[up][up] Actually, Septimus, Ciabella had "enough" in the right place; your rewrite is awkward.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#819: Mar 3rd 2013 at 11:32:15 AM

Because s/he edited it. It was "strong enough" before.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#820: Mar 3rd 2013 at 11:57:08 AM

It should be "strong-willed enough" or "enough strong-willed"?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#821: Mar 3rd 2013 at 11:57:57 AM

First.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
phoenixdaughterAM Since: Jan, 2010
#822: Mar 8th 2013 at 11:48:06 AM

Scenery Porn Under the Video Games subpage. Edit in Italics.

  • Developers of Journey has put a lot of efforts to make sand look as pretty as possible. It's most notable in the fourth level.
    • In fact, one particular scene is noted very much to be this. Austin Wintory, the game's composer, says it best.
-> The first time I saw this scene in-game, my jaw completly hit the floor, where it has remained since.

edited 8th Mar '13 11:51:44 AM by phoenixdaughterAM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#823: Mar 8th 2013 at 12:01:54 PM

That addition is a cleverly masqueraded Zero Context Example. Also, your edit would get Example Indentation wrong.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
HeroShepherd from Earth Since: Oct, 2012
#824: Mar 18th 2013 at 9:20:21 AM

Would it be wrong to ask to have my sandbox Beta Read? maybe my page while you're at it.

edited 18th Mar '13 9:23:54 AM by HeroShepherd

RysioPysio Since: Jan, 2013
#825: Mar 19th 2013 at 3:23:09 PM

Hi everyone. It's me again after a long break. This one will be more of proper use of trope than grammar correction, but still...

Tomb Raider (2013)

  • Actionized Sequel: Compared with previous instalments, even those made by the same company, the new game is practically overloaded with high-paced action sequences, often one after another, not even allowing player to take a breath. This even borders Genre Shift for the game itself, because at the beginning it looks like Survival Horror, but after just few minutes of gameplay everything speeds up into full-blown Action movie plot, with capital A. It should be also noted that fighting is much more pronounced as core element than ever before, making large chunks of game consisting mostly with lots of shooting. Stealthed or not, but it's still carnage instead of puzzles.

Now I'm not really sure if this can qualify for a trope or it's just an opinion and a flawed one (I'm with this series for over 14 years). But the game is so much packed with action that in few moments it looks like it's gonna reach final soon and then the stake is bid even higher. It's not bad, but it could really benefit with some tiny breather moments (like in previous instalments) to fully comprehend what crazy stuff just happend instead of going for even more action. I'm also not really convinced with pararell toward action movie, but I couldn't find any better comparison in English. Lastly, I really don't want to look like a bashing on the game. Actionized or not, it's still Tomb Raider in core elements. And if it does looks like bashing, then it's my more or less limited vocabulary than anything intentional.

Please, help

edited 19th Mar '13 3:56:27 PM by RysioPysio


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