Thanks a lot for the help.

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For Audience-Alienating Premise:

• MGCM: All the premises seems great: Darker and Edgier (but not too bleak unlike the infamous Puella Magi Madoka Magica) main story plot? Check. Lighter and Softer side stories? Check. Cute heroines? Check. Vivid themes and Persona 5-esque UIs? Check. Fanservice? Check. Well, except the fact that there is an official DX version which is loaded with various (with some of them are horrendous) Hentai scenes. Though, it's subverted as many adults also play the NSFW version, which means No Such Thing as Bad Publicity.

Edited by Minorica on Oct 30th 2020 at 1:23:48 AM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."

That may not be an example. Was the audience in fact alienated by the existence of the DX version, causing the work to fail?

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Well, this can be subverted if they like the DX version, unless they don't like NSFW things. I don't like DX version for obvious reasons.

Edited by Minorica on Oct 30th 2020 at 1:21:46 AM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."

You can't subvert an audience reaction, though.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Yeah, Winged Cat Girl is right. Audience-Alienating Premise is about works that failed, since people didn't like the premise. But as far as I know, the regular version and the NSFW version both saw success.

So, I put it in Dancing Bear instead.

Edited by Minorica on Oct 29th 2020 at 9:39:50 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."

For Not Too Dead to Save the Day Video Game section:

• After defeating the Final Boss in Progear, you'll get a cutscene where the heroes you play attempts to escape from the Collapsing Lair and there's no way out. Then, the spirits of player characters' families, friends and others from the government side who had died in the previous battle against Motorouin, guide them into the way out safely.

Edited by Minorica on Oct 30th 2020 at 3:48:40 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."

Very few changes were needed. Well done!

After defeating the Final Boss in Progear, you'll get a cutscene where the heroes you play as attempt to escape from the Collapsing Lair and there seems to be no way out. Then, the spirits of the player characters' families, friends and others from the government side who had died in the previous battle against Motorouin, guide them to the way out safely.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Oct 30th 2020 at 12:31:32 PM

Thank you very much. Michael Katsuro.

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."

Tales of Crestoria Characters

• Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Downplayed. Cody human trafficking children into slavery to wealthy buyers, he does love his own children deeply. The reason he never sell his son Kanata because he wants him take over the family business when he passes away. It unknown if Cody's love for his daughter Sonia is genuine or not since he never told his son about her.

Victor and Valentino Characters

• Clingy Jealous Girl: When Charlene see Victor hanging out with any girls, she gets very jealous. She throws a stop sign at Demencia for being close to Victor and yells at Demencia to get away from her Victor.
• Even the Girls Want Her: When Victor accidentally infects entire population with Charlene's love potion met for him, the potion even affects girls to fall madly in love with Charlene.

The Dragon Prince

• Post-Kiss Catatonia: Rayla briefly induces this in Callum after his heartwarming speech to her in The Dragon Prince S3 E4 "The Midnight Desert" convinced her, he felt the same about her as she him. He does, but his attempt to clarify (once he's unpuckered his lips) that he wasn't trying to get a smooch, just to help her, leads to Digging Yourself Deeper.

• Stunned Silence: In a reversal of the above mentioned Post-Kiss Catatonia, the next episode has Callum passionately sings Rayla's praises as a hero. Hearing such from someone she's already proven to immensely care for and respect while he's looking right at her, naturally leaves her speechless. Until after he get's lost in her eyes and kisses her too. Leading to a "Shut Up" Kiss from her, which causes a Big Damn Kiss between both parties.

Edited by Avenger09 on Oct 30th 2020 at 12:36:06 PM

Tales of Crestoria Characters

Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Downplayed. Though Cody traffics children into slavery and sells them to wealthy buyers, he does love his own children deeply. The reason he never sell his son Kanata is because he wants Kanata to take over the family business when he passes away. It is unknown if Cody's love for his daughter Sonia is genuine or not, since he never told his son about her.

Victor and Valentino Characters

Clingy Jealous Girl: When Charlene see Victor hanging out with any other girls, she gets very jealous. She throws a stop sign at Demencia for being close to Victor and yells at Demencia to "get away from [her] Victor." Even the Girls Want Her: When Victor accidentally infects the entire population with Charlene's love potion meant for him, the potion causes girls to fall madly in love with Charlene too.

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The Dragon Prince

Post-Kiss Catatonia: Rayla briefly induces this in Callum, after his heartwarming speech to her in The Dragon Prince S 3 E 4 The Midnight Desert convinced her that he felt the same about her as she felt about him. His attempt to clarify (once he's unpuckered his lips) that he wasn't trying to get a smooch, but just trying to help her, leads to Digging Yourself Deeper. Stunned Silence: In a reversal of the earlier Post-Kiss Catatonia, the next episode has Callum passionately sing Rayla's praises as a hero. Hearing this from someone she's already proven to immensely care for and respect while he's looking right at her naturally leaves her speechless until after he gets lost in her eyes and kisses her too. This leads to a "Shut Up" Kiss from her, which becomes a Big Damn Kiss between them.

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Hope this helps . Keep on contributing to the wiki, you're awesome!

Edited by raspberryred99 on Oct 30th 2020 at 9:03:26 AM

You can call me Red.

Planning to create a Casey Mongillo page once my editing privileges are restored (unless if someone else is willing to create the page and put the appropriate namespaces themselves, that's fine with me). So this is a rough draft on the said voice actor's page. Casey Mongillo is a non-binary transgender voice actor, so the use of the pronouns "they/them/their" will be appropriate for the purposes of this wiki.

Regardless, there is a question I want to ask on this, can certain tropes like Man of a Thousand Voices be used in a gender neutral context in a similar vein that the noun "voice actor" can be used in general neutral context to describe a profession (as I'm using this trope to describe the characters they voiced)? I know "they/them/their" are pronouns that can be used in a gender-neutral context, but certain trope names may not be.

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Casey Mongillo is a voice actor who primarily works in anime and video games. They are known for their roles as Shinji Ikari in the Creator/Netflix dub of Neon Genesis Evangelion and Shou Suzuki in Mob Psycho 100 (both of which are their Star Making Roles, which the former was nominated for Best Performance by a Voice Actor (English) in the 2020 Crunchyroll Anime Awards). Casey Mongillo is one of the few non-binary voice actors in the industry.

Follow them on Twitter.

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Notable roles by Casey Mongillo

Anime

• Dogor in Queen's Blade: Rebellion
• Jin Kanzaki (young) in Zetman
• Kimeru and Young Phi in Beyblade Burst: Turbo
• Kirisame in B: The Beginning
• Nicol Amalfi in the NYAV Post dub of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED
• Rainer Milan in Rokka Braves Of The Six Flowers
• Scorbunny, Raboot, Chrysa, and Wartortle trainer in Pokémon
• Shinji Ikari in the Netflix dub of Neon Genesis Evangelion
• Shou Suzuki in Mob Psycho 100
• TEX in Time of Eve

Web Animation

• Gamecrazed and Sofdti in TOME

Western Animation

• Sandboy in Miraculous Ladybug

Video Games

• Ambassador Surah in Star Trek Online
• Charlie M. Panther in The Ship: Murder Party
• Collin Woods, Sylvester McNabb, and Tomi Mengazi in Brigade E5: New Jagged Union
• Demon Hunter, Mantol-Derith Armor Dealer, Cleric of Moradin, and Dhaunira in Neverwinter
• Gargadan and Chimera's Lion Head in Rage of the Gladiator
• High Priestess Parallax and Carnage Calamity in Heroes of Newerth
• Long Bao, Omurice, and Salad & Sichuan Hotpot in Food Fantasy
• Nate, Tim, Hope, and Nina in Octopath Traveler
• ROLY-POLY MK in Shadowverse
• Shi Youwen, Yang Wenliang, and Tong Zhangping in Shenmue III
• Veigas Terre in Grand Chase Dimensional Chaser
• Vernon Cherry in Red Dead Redemption
• Zoe in Monster Prom: Second Term

Tropes associated with Casey Mongillo's roles

• Endearingly Dorky: Some of their characters they voiced are socially awkward such as Shinji and Zoe.
• Kid Hero: Several of their characters happen to be young heroic protagonists such as Shinji Ikari and Shou Suzuki.
• Man of a Thousand Voices: They have voiced a variety of characters from young boys and girls to even adult women.
• Pigeonholed Voice Actor: A lot of their characters are often young boys. However, they have also voiced several female characters such as Zoe, Chrysa, and some of their roles in Food Fantasy.

Edited by DarkPaladinX on Nov 1st 2020 at 1:29:51 AM

Yes, the trope Man of a Thousand Voices is completely gender-neutral. That write-up you've made looks good, but it should be "on Twitter."

Pigeonholed Voice Actor is a redirect to Typecasting, by the way.

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Also, "young boys" is too broad to qualify, in my view. That's like saying that Michael Caine is typecast as old men.

So how do you think the Pigeonholed Voice Actor would be reworded in your opinion (across from changing it to Typecasting)? Do you think I should specify some examples of their roles (normally, for the voice actor pages, we would specify examples so the reader can have a better understanding of the kind of characters they voiced) in this example?

Here is an example:

• Typecasting: A lot of their characters they have voiced are young boys (i.e. Shinji Ikari and Shou Suzuki). However, they have also voiced several female characters such as Zoe, Chrysa, and some of their roles in Food Fantasy.

Edited by DarkPaladinX on Oct 31st 2020 at 5:30:10 AM

Honestly, I don't think it qualifies. Again, it's too broad. It also really feels like shoehorning—they get cast as boys and as girls, and thus aren't really typecast in the first place.

That's like saying that "They're mostly a vegetarian, but eat meat sometimes." So... they're not a vegetarian, then.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Oct 31st 2020 at 2:12:38 PM

So in your opinion, because I've used the Man of a Thousand Voices trope to describe Casey Mongillo, the Pigeonholed Voice Actor trope shouldn't be used together with Man of a Thousand Voices trope. This is an interesting opinion because a lot of voice actor pages often list these two tropes together (although it's often the other tropers that add the Man of a Thousand Voices trope together).

For Characters.Talentless Nana (placed spoiler tags since some of these tropes are a bit spoilerish):

Nana Hiiragi:

• Character Development: At the start of the series, she is a Villain Protagonist sociopathic assassin sent out to kill the Talented. However, after befriending Michiru, she slowly begin to question her own mission and her belief that the Talented are truly evil due to Michiru's Nice Girl personality. Once she found out the truth about her parent's death, she begin to genuinely feel remorse of her actions.
• Tragic Villain: Once the truth about her parent's death was revealed by Tsuruoka and the government turns against her, she becomes this.

Michiru Inukai:

• Heroic Sacrifice: She used her "Resurrection" ability to save Nana's life.
• Nice Girl: She's sweet, kind, and compassionate girl at heart. In fact, her genuine kindness plays an important role in Nana's Character Development.

Edited by DarkPaladinX on Nov 1st 2020 at 1:28:19 AM

I think you misunderstand, DarkPaladinX. It's fine to use Man of a Thousand Voices together with Pigeon Holed Voice Actor. That's not the problem. The problem is that the trope Pigeon Holed Voice Actor doesn't apply to Casey, who's offered too wide a range of roles to really count as "Pigeonholed."

(Sorry that I can't proofread your latest entries, by the way. I'm planning to watch that anime.)

for The Camp Half Blood Series Triumvirate Holdings: Nero Fat Bastard: He is overweight, in contrast to the handsome Commodos and Caligula.

You need to explain not only the "fat" part but the "bastard" part. Otherwise it's a Zero Context Example.

InuYasha - New Generation : Towa Higurashi Light Is Good: She wears a white suit and pants, has silver hair, and her blade becomes a Laser Blade once she infuses it with demonic energy.

RWBY Worldof Remnant The Gods of Light and Darkness Yellow/Purple Contrast: The God of Light is illuminated by a golden glow, while the God of Darkness is dark purple with a lighter purple glow.

God of Light. The Stoic: He always speaks in a calm, even tone. Even when confronting his brother in the Realm of Darkness and being attacked by Grimm, he keeps his cool.

God of Darkness: Large Ham: Is much more theatrical than his brother, given that his method of leaving Remnant involves him turning into a Pillar of Light and destroying the moon.

Edited by benzboagr on Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:52:20 AM