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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

The thread is for help and feedback on your own suggested edits.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Vree Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Aug 18th 2010 at 5:20:19 PM

Thanks. So, I guess I should not force myself to write in singular then. I got the impression that it was more common to use that.

Vree Since: Jan, 2001
#27: Aug 21st 2010 at 1:03:45 PM

This time, I'm looking for en expression. The Hungarian phrase for it is "to be left boiling in your own water". It is used for a Grumpy Bear who degrades something but refuses to give it a try. After friends have repeatedly try to convince this person to give it a chance, they will eventually go and enjoy it without him while he is left alone with only himself to complain to.

(It is distinct from "the hole you dug for yourself" because it is not that the person has done anything wrong, just that he is close minded (a cynic and a spoilsport) about some issue.)

I don't know if there is an equivalent?

edited 21st Aug '10 1:06:36 PM by Vree

Twilightdusk Since: Jan, 2001
#28: Aug 21st 2010 at 1:06:43 PM

It sounds like the plot from Green Eggs And Ham, not sure if there's an expression to the same effect though.

TheGirlWithPointyEars Never Ask Me the Odds from Outer Space Since: Dec, 2009
Never Ask Me the Odds
#29: Aug 21st 2010 at 1:24:41 PM

It sounds remarkably similar to 'left simmering in your own juices'', enough to have been derived from the same root phrase. That might carry slightly broader connotations, though, referring mainly to everyone just leaving someone who was mad alone (presumably so they will calm down). Maybe we can help you better if you provide a rough version of what you're trying to say?

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#30: Aug 21st 2010 at 2:34:40 PM

That's the impression I got, too. The expression that came to my mind was "stewing in his own pot," or just plain 'stewing'. 'Steaming' also fits.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#31: Aug 22nd 2010 at 11:48:03 AM

It also fits with "You made your bed, now lie in it.", often shortened to "You made your bed...". Essentially, "you created this situation, you deal with it."

"Simmering in his own juices" is to me more along the line of "He's gotten angry about something, just let him be angry about it. It's not our problem."

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
CakeorDeath Since: Jan, 2001
#32: Aug 24th 2010 at 5:36:37 PM

Could it be related to 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'? That basically means don't make yourself unhappy to make a point.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#33: Aug 24th 2010 at 6:33:24 PM

It's referring to hating something so much you're willing to severely hurt yourself to hurt whatever irritates you.

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Vree Since: Jan, 2001
#34: Aug 25th 2010 at 3:29:43 PM

All of the above are viable alternatives. Thanks a lot.

FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#35: Oct 25th 2010 at 4:24:17 PM

Hey!

Don't know if this is the right place to ask this.This is my first article.

I would like to know of the description I (with other troper´s help) made of this YKKTW, it's ok.Or should cut some stuff?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=tq9i49jod11t8b0rectnub0m

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
Homestar09_Mario08 Holy Crap! from City, State, Country Since: Feb, 2010
Holy Crap!
#36: Nov 8th 2010 at 6:38:35 PM

Looks pretty good! There are some sentences that need a period at the end, but otherwise it's OK. (I'm assuming that some of the slip-ups are typos and not grammar mistakes wink)

By the way, in the post you just made:

of the description
Should be "about the description" - replacing "about" with "of" is technically OK, but it's a very formal option and will make you look like a dork if you use it in everyday life. Normally, "of" is only used in situations where we're trying to use a noun to modify another noun (e.g. The King Of Town- town modifies king. What is he the king of? The town!).

(with other troper´s help)
Should be "with another troper's help" or, in cases where the [fill-in-the-blank] is the only [fill-in-the-blank] that hasn't been discussed, "the other [fill-in-the-blank]" is correct.

made of this YKKTW
Should be "made for this YKTTW". Yes, this disregards what is said above. English is confusing that way.

it's ok.
should be "Is it ok?" Inquiries should always be in inverted sentence order (English is normally Subject-Verb-Object, but questions are Verb-Subject-Object) with a question mark at the end.

edited 10th Nov '10 6:46:27 PM by Homestar09_Mario08

Oh, if you want it to be possessive it's just 'its,' but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's I-T apostrophe S! ...scalawag.
FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#37: Nov 9th 2010 at 10:37:17 PM

^thanks it helped me alot!!.Surely this helped me to improve my english. :D

edited 9th Nov '10 10:40:35 PM by FallenLegend

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
Homestar09_Mario08 Holy Crap! from City, State, Country Since: Feb, 2010
Holy Crap!
#38: Nov 10th 2010 at 6:47:38 PM

Something I missed: "Should cut some stuff?" should have been "Should 'I cut some stuff?"

Oh, if you want it to be possessive it's just 'its,' but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's I-T apostrophe S! ...scalawag.
BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#39: Jan 14th 2011 at 12:11:01 AM

^thanks it helped me alot!!.Surely this helped me to improve my english. :D

Here's a bit more based on the above-quoted text:

"Thanks," despite seeming otherwise, is essentially an entire sentence. The subject and most of the predicate, "You have my," are implied. Colloquial English throws a lot of rules out the window. Sorry 'bout that.

"That" is preferable to "it" in this situation because you're directly indicating the above post, but both are acceptable.

"Alot" is not a single word. "A lot" is what you mean to use here.

Because of its placement, "surely" needs a comma after it — the word it's modifying is further back in the sentence.

Language names are always capitalized.

Applying these rules, we turn your post into the following:

^Thanks! That helped me a lot!! Surely, this helped me to improve my English. :D

edited 14th Jan '11 12:13:05 AM by BlackWolfe

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#40: Jan 14th 2011 at 4:14:07 AM

The comma you've inserted doesn't sit right with me. Do you have a source for that particular rule? It makes it seem like the "Surely" is an introductory throw-away clause, akin to: "On the other hand, something else happened".

BTW, I'm a chick.
BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#41: Jan 14th 2011 at 4:26:32 AM

[up]It is an introductory clause, but that doesn't make it a throwaway. Here's an explanation on commas at the end of introductory adverbial clauses.

edited 14th Jan '11 4:28:18 AM by BlackWolfe

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#42: Jan 14th 2011 at 5:04:42 PM

Hmm. It still looks odd to me, though the examples on the page don't. Must be a glitch in my brain. Thanks.

BTW, I'm a chick.
BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#43: Jan 14th 2011 at 5:06:29 PM

No hay de que.

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#44: Feb 5th 2011 at 11:46:04 PM

I wrote this YKTT Whttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=t5vnuic0ucogtt6aizc6avb9 Some troopers told me it still needs improvement, while others think the opposite. But I am not sure

I would like some help, Due to fact that this is the first time I write a trope this long.

Thanks in advance!

edited 5th Feb '11 11:46:46 PM by FallenLegend

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#45: Feb 7th 2011 at 5:55:26 AM

Yeah, the sentence structure is wrong. It's clear, but not correct. Unfortunately, I am very tired and all I can say is it does need tweaking, but that's all.

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#46: Feb 11th 2011 at 2:35:43 PM

Don't worry I will figure it out.

I won't launch it, until it is fixed. thanks for the help btw

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#47: Feb 16th 2011 at 4:05:02 AM

Here's my take on the description. Edits marked in bold. Some edits for grammar, others for clarity. (The addition of "In addition" to the second sentence is because without it, that sentence seems very much a non sequitur.) Strike-through text is stuff I recommend cutting entirely, mostly not for "help with Enlgish" reasons but because Flame Bait and Natter Bait.

While in Real Life the concept of beauty is very subjective, in fiction there is a clear consensus on beauty. In addition, beauty tends to be dynamic, as some characters get uglier or more beautiful than before.

This scale is to quantify the Canon dynamic relationship of beauty between characters. That means that this is to show how beautiful someone is to the rest of the cast, not to the audience.

Please note that this isn't a meta trope, nor a subjective trope. All beauty should be measured as it is portrayed inside the story by the characters, by the story or by Word Of God. Subjective opinions are fine if they are backed up by evidence inside the story. Otherwise, Real Life opinions should go in Troper Tales.

Related to I Just Want to Be Beautiful.

Hope that helps some.

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#48: Feb 16th 2011 at 3:00:54 PM

thanks a lot!

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#49: Mar 4th 2011 at 9:21:00 AM

I'm hopeless.

edited 4th Mar '11 9:42:08 AM by RandomChaos

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#50: Mar 4th 2011 at 9:26:32 AM

No, you aren't. Use Dragon (which will catch things like "hopless" when you meant "hopeless"). Post here. We'll help. That's why we made this thread and pinned it so it wouldn't get lost.

edited 4th Mar '11 9:27:55 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

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