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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

The thread is for help and feedback on your own suggested edits.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3001: Sep 25th 2016 at 1:19:41 AM

[up] Segal991's post #3000 on page 120

These examples violate Example Indentation. Could you please read that page?

When you have multiple examples of a trope from the same work, the first line has the work's name, and each example gets a sub-bullet below it, like this:

  • The Powerpuff Girls franchise
    • The Powerpuff Girls. Professor Untonium falls into this in "Reeking Havoc" during a flashback when he lost the Townsville Chili Cook-Off.
    • The Powerpuff Girls (2016)
      • Bubbles goes into a giant bawling fit after she gets a bad picture for Picture Day, and is shown with a wrinkly face.
      • During "Odd Bubbles Out", Bubbles does this after her argument with Donny, which apparently went on for 2 hours straight, complete with bloodshot eyes.

Also, it's Professor Utonium, not Untonium.

Bubbles goes into a giant bawling fit after she gets a bad picture for Picture Day, and is shown with a wrinkly face.

I would change this to:

After she gets a bad picture for Picture Day, Bubbles goes into a giant bawling fit and is shown with a wrinkly face.

edited 25th Sep '16 1:32:45 AM by Arivne

Segal991 A loyal animal lover from Somewhere Beyond the Sea Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, we're lovers, and that is that
A loyal animal lover
#3002: Sep 27th 2016 at 12:06:09 AM

All right, thanks for the point of advice.

Oh, I believe in yesterday
Segal991 A loyal animal lover from Somewhere Beyond the Sea Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, we're lovers, and that is that
A loyal animal lover
#3003: Sep 27th 2016 at 12:33:52 AM

As for the Ocular Gushers section,

Oh, I believe in yesterday
Segal991 A loyal animal lover from Somewhere Beyond the Sea Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, we're lovers, and that is that
A loyal animal lover
#3004: Sep 27th 2016 at 12:42:55 AM

  • The Powerpuff Girls franchise
    • The Powerpuff Girls
      • The episode "The City Of Frownsville" has Lou Gubrious (who sheds waterfall tears a lot anyway!) fire a ray on Townsville that makes whoever exposed to the ray do this, to the point where a flood nearly happens, and Lou changes his name to Hal Larious.
      • Bubbles cries these frequently, it comes with being a Fragile Flower.
      • In "Cover Up", Buttercup of all people does this after her blanket goes missing.
    • Western Animation/The Powerpuff Girls (2016)
      • After Octi gets lost in "Little Octi Lost", Bubbles sheds these.
      • Due to stage fright in "Tiara Trouble", Bubbles weeps waterfall tears.

Oh, I believe in yesterday
Segal991 A loyal animal lover from Somewhere Beyond the Sea Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, we're lovers, and that is that
A loyal animal lover
#3005: Sep 27th 2016 at 12:50:25 AM

  • The Powerpuff Girls franchise
    • The Powerpuff Girls
      • The episode "The City Of Frownsville" has Lou Gubrious (who sheds waterfall tears a lot anyway!) fire a ray on Townsville that makes whoever is exposed to the ray cry lightning-bolt shaped waterfall tears, to the point where a flood nearly happens, and Lou changes his name to Hal Larious.
      • Bubbles cries massive gobs of tears frequently, it comes with being a Fragile Flower.
      • In "Cover Up", Buttercup of all people gets big streams of tears after her blanket goes missing.
    • The Powerpuff Girls (2016)
      • After Octi gets lost in "Little Octi Lost", Bubbles sobs gigantic tears.
      • Due to stage fright in "Tiara Trouble", Bubbles weeps waterfall tears, as a possible Shout-Out to the "bawling emoji".

edited 27th Sep '16 3:30:37 PM by Segal991

Oh, I believe in yesterday
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3006: Sep 27th 2016 at 5:14:21 AM

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First: You can edit any post you have made by clicking on the pencil icon. On this page it's located in the upper left-hand part of your post, right next to your name. That way, you don't have to post separate corrected versions.

  • makes whoever exposed to the ray -> makes whoever is exposed to the ray

  • Bubbles cries these
  • Buttercup of all people does this
  • Bubbles sheds these.

  • Saying "Cries these" or "does this" is considered a form of Word Cruft and makes the example a Zero Context Example. Instead, simply say what she does.

Bubbles cries a flood of tears...
Buttercup of all people cries a lot...
Bubbles sheds a large number of tears

To create the link The Powerpuff Girls (2016) use this: ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016''.

edited 28th Sep '16 6:16:03 AM by Arivne

brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3007: Sep 27th 2016 at 8:36:44 AM

  • Adapted Out: Mrs Mcgregor (Mr Mcgregor's wife) is never seen or mentioned in any Animated Adaptation to Beatrix Potter's The Tale of Peter Rabbit. Most adaptations would only mention that Mr Mcgregor would bake the rabbits into a pie while in the original story (at least the older versions) mentioned that Mrs Mcgregor baked Peter's father into a pie. Mrs Mcgregor does show up in The World of Peter Rabbit and Friends where she's mentioned in "The Tale Of Peter Rabbit" and seen in "The Tale Of Benjamin Bunny" and "The Tale Of The Flopsy Bunnies".

  • Adaptational Angst Upgrade: In the HBO Family series "Storybook Musicals" animated musical of Peter Rabbit. Peter's mother has her opening song about telling her children where to go fetch some blackberries. However she briefly takes a break from singing and explains why they shouldn't go to Mr Mcgregor's garden and what happened to there father. She then sings in a somber and sad tone of the fate to her former husband. Most adaptations would rub off about there father being baked into a pie but the musical makes this a bit more serious.

edited 27th Sep '16 9:02:12 AM by brb1006

Segal991 A loyal animal lover from Somewhere Beyond the Sea Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, we're lovers, and that is that
A loyal animal lover
#3008: Sep 27th 2016 at 3:31:16 PM

I did not know I could edit my own posts, thanks for telling me. I did edit what I wrote, check it out.

Oh, I believe in yesterday
brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3009: Sep 27th 2016 at 7:35:21 PM

For the Needs More Love page for Western Animation.

  • The HBO Family Original Special "The Sissy Duckling" from 1999 is a different take on the Hans Christian Anderson story The Ugly Duckling. The song "Time Take Time" is a heartwarming song about patience and being yourself.

  • "Storybook Musicals" is an HBO Family original series that adapts various children's stories such as The Tale Of Peter Rabbit and Mike Mulligan and his steam shovel and turn them into a 25 or longer episode.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3010: Sep 28th 2016 at 5:36:24 AM

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As work names, these need to be italicized by putting double apostrophes at the beginning and end. If not, the closest phrase would be "Most adaptations would avoid mentioning..."
  • about there father -> about their father

edited 28th Sep '16 6:18:03 AM by Arivne

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3011: Sep 28th 2016 at 6:00:08 AM

[up][up]

  • As above, HBO -> Creator/{{HBO}} -> HBO
  • Hans Christian Anderson -> Hans Christian Andersen
  • Hans Christian Andersen -> Creator/HansChristianAndersen -> Hans Christian Andersen.
  • The Tale Of Peter Rabbit, Mike Mulligan and his steam shovel
Both of these work names should be namespaced, italicized and Wiki Worded.

Mike Mulligan And His Steam Shovel is a Red Link because we don't have a page for it yet. According to the Red Link page it's O.K. to do this because it will automatically change to a Blue Link once the page is created.

  • turn them into a 25 or longer episode. -> 25 minute or longer (?)

edited 28th Sep '16 6:10:20 AM by Arivne

brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3012: Sep 28th 2016 at 9:16:23 PM

Triumphant Reprise: The HBO series Storybook Musicals contain two examples of this trope.

  • The song "No one wants use anymore" from "Mike Mulligan and his Steaming Shovel" is first sang when Mike Mulligan is singing sadly about nobody in town wants to use a steam shovel anymore after the newer shovels were added in town. At the very end of the episode, Mike Mulligan sings "Someone wants use, someone needs use" which is a positive version of that song after he and Mary Ann decide to stay in the town hall as a janitor after the town loved the work he and Mary Ann did to dig a hole.

  • "So Near And Yet So Far" from Peter Rabbit starts out as a lament song sang by Peter after he starts missing home since he can't find a way out of Mr Mcgregor's garden. After Peter finally escapes his garden and returns home. Peter is in bed with his mother giving him tea and medicine. After he gives an explanation for how he lost his shirt and shoes. Mrs. Rabbit tells Peter to not do it again and mentions that home is not far away. She sings a more uplifting version of the song but changes the lyrics and the song to "So Far And Yet So Near".

  • Evil Is Sexy: Mc Mcgregor's white cat has a surprisingly seductive singing voice in the Storybook Musicals adaptation of Peter Rabbit as heard in the song "Decisions" about her deciding what to eat between a fish or any other animal.

edited 28th Sep '16 9:25:24 PM by brb1006

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3013: Sep 29th 2016 at 3:00:19 AM

[up]

A proofreader's work is never done. :)

  • "Storybook Musicals" -> Storybook Musicals (see How to Write an Example - Emphasis For Work Names and Red Link)
  • "No one wants use anymore" -> "No One Wants Us Anymore"
  • "Mike Mulligan and his Steaming Shovel" -> Steam Shovel
  • is first sang when -> is first sung when
  • about nobody in town -> about how nobody in town
  • the newer shovels were added in town. -> the newer shovels came along.
  • "Someone wants use, someone needs use" -> "Someone wants us, someone needs us",

  • sang by Peter -> sung by Peter
  • he starts missing home since -> he starts missing home, since
  • Mr Mcgregor -> Mr. McGregor (write it as [=McGregor=])
  • After Peter finally escapes his garden and returns home. -> Sentence fragment.
After Peter finally escapes his garden and returns home, he is in bed (?)
  • After he gives an explanation for how he lost his shirt and shoes. -> Another sentence fragment.
After he gives an explanation for how he lost his shirt and shoes, Mrs. Rabbit

  • Mc Mcgregor's -> Mr. McGregor's
  • "Storybook Musicals" -> Storybook Musicals (see How to Write an Example - Emphasis For Work Names and Red Link)
  • as heard in the song "Decisions" about -> as heard in the song "Decisions", about
  • deciding what to eat between a fish or any other animal. -> deciding whether to eat a fish or another animal. (?)

edited 2nd Oct '16 7:54:30 AM by Arivne

FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3014: Sep 30th 2016 at 11:12:51 AM

I was suspended because I made some mistakes in editing Loud House. I tried to correct them. What exacly did I do wrong? I wish to know to avoid making such mistakes in future after my suspension is over.

FirstDrellSpectre Since: Sep, 2016
#3015: Sep 30th 2016 at 12:19:28 PM

On page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheLoudHouseS1E20RoughinItTheWaitingGame

I added

Big Sister Mentor: Lori, Leni, Luna and Lynn thought Lincoln things he later used to survive in wild.

Jack-of-All-Stats: Lincoln became one after learning various skills from his sisters.

Is this OK?

edited 30th Sep '16 12:19:48 PM by FirstDrellSpectre

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3016: Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:58:19 AM

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  • Big Sister Mentor: Lori, Leni, Luna and Lynn thought Lincoln things he later used to survive in wild.
  • Jack-of-All-Stats: Lincoln became one after learning various skills from his sisters.

  • Big Sister Mentor: Lori, Leni, Luna and Lynn taught Lincoln techniques he later used to survive in the wild.

  • Jack of All Stats: Lincoln became one after learning various skills from his sisters.

"became one" is a form of Word Cruft and Zero-Context Example because it doesn't make it clear whether Lincoln actually fits the trope definition. Try to use language from the trope page that shows that Lincoln does fit.

  • Lincoln becomes competent in living outdoors after learning various survival skills from his sisters.

If you can list some of the areas he's competent in, it would be even better.

edited 3rd Oct '16 3:55:57 AM by Arivne

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#3017: Oct 3rd 2016 at 8:31:06 PM

I have a trope for Sentinels Of The Multiverse:

I am a figment of your imagination
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3018: Oct 3rd 2016 at 11:19:57 PM

[up]

I don't see any problems with the English in your post.

However, I checked on the Pstandard Psychic Pstance page and there are three types of stances:

  1. One hand to face
  2. Both hands to temples
  3. Both hands to temples, quiver, and maybe Psychic Nosebleed.

So that your example doesn't look like a Zero Context Example, you might want to say specifically which type is used, e.g. "On her character card, The Visionary assumes the "puts both hands to her temples" stance."

edited 3rd Oct '16 11:21:42 PM by Arivne

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#3019: Oct 4th 2016 at 12:16:33 PM

[up] Hmmm...well here is Visionary. Her hands are near her head, not face or temples, but the concept is the same. Would this be okay?

edited 4th Oct '16 12:17:26 PM by Kingofsouls

I am a figment of your imagination
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#3020: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:37:14 PM

Here are a few edits I would like to add to Star vs. the Forces of Evil.

Buff Frog

  • Multipurpose Tongue: Buff Frog, can extend his tongue quite a distance, as well as manipulate it to pick up objects or even pick locks.

Tom

  • Demon Lords and Archdevils: As a Devil Prince, Tom possess an incredible amount of pull and power in the underworld, to the point he was able to dramatically alter the demons most beloved holiday in ways that aggravated the rest of them, just to impress Star. He likewise possesses incredible magical powers, able to alter reality, summon objects and teleport between realms.
  • Friendless Background: Confesses in ‘Frenemies’ that he doesn’t have many friends, it’s implied his temper drives people away.
  • Shadow Archetype: Tom fulfils this towards Star, they are both teenage royalty who possess great amounts of magical power, they are both charming and a lot of fun to hang out with, and who have serious problems with impulse control. However while with Star this usually manifests with her acting before thinking, Tom has problems controlling his temper and preventing himself from lashing out when mad. Tom’s displays of aggression are not so different from Star’s own extreme tactics and reactions. They likewise have habit of using their magic when emotionally charged to devastating consequences.
  • Tame His Anger: Tom acknowledges that his Hair-Trigger Temper is a serious problem and sincerely wants to overcome it, however so far his attempts to get better have all ended in failure.
  • Weak, but Skilled: Downplayed. Tom’s magic is seemingly weaker than Star’s, however he is still incredibly powerful. Nevertheless he is noticeably more skilled than Star is, his casual ability to perform feats of power contrasting with Star’s inexperience and manic attempts to control her wand.

Any errors?

edited 6th Oct '16 2:38:52 PM by MGD107

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3021: Oct 7th 2016 at 3:08:39 AM

[up]

  • Buff Frog, can extend his tongue quite a distance -> The comma is unnecessary.

  • to the point he was able to -> to the point that he was able to
  • the demons most beloved holiday -> the demons' most beloved holiday
  • able to alter reality -> being able to alter reality

  • Confesses in ‘Frenemies’ -> He confesses in ‘Frenemies’
  • friends, it’s implied his temper drives people away. (run-on sentence) -> friends. It’s implied his temper drives people away.

  • Tom fulfils this towards Star, they are (run-on sentence) -> Tom fulfils this towards Star. They are
  • and who have -> and they have
  • However while with Star -> However, while with Star
  • They likewise have habit -> They likewise have the habit
  • when emotionally charged to devastating consequences. -> when emotionally upset, with devastating consequences.

  • Nevertheless he is noticeably -> Nevertheless, he is noticeably

edited 7th Oct '16 3:09:35 AM by Arivne

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#3022: Oct 7th 2016 at 6:52:49 AM

Thank you. Here it is again, anymore errors?

Buff Frog

  • Multipurpose Tongue: Buff Frog can extend his tongue quite a distance, as well as manipulate it to pick up objects or even pick locks.

Tom

  • Demon Lords and Archdevils: As a Devil Prince, Tom possess an incredible amount of pull and power in the underworld, to the point that he was able to dramatically alter the demons’ most beloved holiday in ways that aggravated the rest of them, just to impress Star. He likewise possesses incredible magical powers, being able to alter reality, summon objects and teleport between realms.
  • Friendless Background: He confesses in ‘Frenemies’ that he doesn’t have many friends. It’s implied his temper drives people away.
  • Shadow Archetype: Tom fulfils this towards Star. They are both teenage royalty who possess great amounts of magical power, they are both charming and a lot of fun to hang out with, and they have serious problems with impulse control. However, while with Star this usually manifests with her acting before thinking, Tom has problems controlling his temper and preventing himself from lashing out when mad. Tom’s displays of aggression are not so different from Star’s own extreme tactics and reactions. They likewise have the habit of using their magic when emotionally upset, with devastating consequences.
  • Tame His Anger: Tom acknowledges that his Hair-Trigger Temper is a serious problem and sincerely wants to overcome it, however so far his attempts to get better have all ended in failure.
  • Weak, but Skilled: Downplayed. Tom’s magic is seemingly weaker than Star’s, however he is still incredibly powerful. Nevertheless, he is noticeably more skilled than Star is, his casual ability to perform feats of power contrasting with Star’s inexperience and manic attempts to control her wand.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#3023: Oct 8th 2016 at 2:17:38 AM

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Tom possess -> Tom possesses

OffTheDeepEnd Since: May, 2015
#3025: Oct 10th 2016 at 5:37:20 PM

I was suspended and told to come here because my English is apparently bad.

edited 10th Oct '16 5:37:48 PM by OffTheDeepEnd


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