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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

The thread is for help and feedback on your own suggested edits.

If you want help correcting other people's edits (e.g., if you find a page which seems to have grammar problems but want a second opinion, or you don't feel able to fix it by yourself) then that's off-topic here, but we have a separate Grammar Police cleanup thread that can provide assistance.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#2926: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:21:40 PM

This quirk is rather unacceptable here. Unless you can point to an official translation that uses this naming convention, it needs to be fixed.

As the original work is now in the public domain, I believe there are no official translations as far as we are concerned anyway. So standard convention dominates.

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#2927: Aug 6th 2016 at 5:12:53 PM

[up][up]And no errors there.

Oops. forgot to mention that earlier.

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#2928: Aug 6th 2016 at 6:52:33 PM

[up] Thank you. Can you can add those to the sheet for me, if it isn't too much trouble?

[up][up] Would the credits count as an official source? If so, here is the cast and the naming convention they use to identify the characters.

I am a figment of your imagination
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#2929: Aug 6th 2016 at 11:18:23 PM

It is particularly useless to list a cast page written in all caps.

I may post tomorrow, if you let me go lower case.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2930: Aug 7th 2016 at 3:41:28 PM

Okay here's some edits I would like to add to Lab Rats: Elite Force.

  • Five-Man Band:
    • The Leader: Chase carries this on from Lab Rats. Despite officially abolishing the position in ‘Follow The Leader’ as he feels it will be better if their all equals, he’s still the one who normally calls the shots on missions.
    • The Lancer: The position actually shifts around the group, with everyone having a turn at playing this depending on the circumstances. However Kaz and Bree fulfil it the most often.
    • The Smart Guy: Chase and Oliver count. Chase is the more knowledgeable and scientific, possessing Super-Intelligence. However Oliver is more observant, open minded and better at finding simple solutions to problems, while also being a genius in his own right.
    • The Big Guy: As the members with Super-Strength, Skylar and Oliver take this role (mostly Skylar).
    • The Chick: Bree takes this role, being the most emotionally mature member and the one who generally looks out for the team’s wellbeing.
  • Foil: Chase and Oliver. Both are Badass Bookworms, both possess a strong sense of heroism and both are huge nerds. However Chase is an arrogant and experienced leader, who generally focuses on the bigger picture and holds the logical thing over emotions and opinions. Oliver is inexperienced, generally a supporter, suffers from insecurity and self-doubt and will normally choose what feels right or will makes others happy, over what is the logical path.
  • Only Sane Man: Between Chase’s arrogance, Kaz’s rashness and inability to think things through, Oliver’s insecurity and eccentricities, and Skylar’s alien values. As the oldest of the group Bree is normally left as the voice of reason. Having said that she still has her moments of foolishness.

edited 7th Aug '16 3:44:20 PM by MGD107

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#2931: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:04:20 PM

[up][up]

My main concern is two-fold. One, there are several 'names' on the Nameless Narrative page that are capitalized. Since a few of those are capitalized, why not do the same for The Little Prince?

Two, the characters are referred to by their descriptors in universe. The Businessman is the biggest point of note. Everyone calls him the Businessman. His company on the City Planet is even called BMCO which I am pretty sure is short for Businessman Company.

I'm not trying to raise a fuss, I'm just a little curious.

edited 7th Aug '16 7:06:11 PM by Kingofsouls

I am a figment of your imagination
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#2932: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:35:07 PM

Hiya. I have two tropes.

Legend Of Legaia

Hilarious in Hindsight: The first game takes place in a post apocaliptic world full of monsters, and the main protagonist lives in a place surrounded by walls. He wants to be a member of the hunters to find food and supplies. However, when the hunters arrive, they bring a dead man with them, to everyone sorrow. Much later, the monsters invade the place destroying the wall. It can give you a chuckle over how similar is to Attack On Titan introduction.

Dueling Games: In a way, this game is quite similar to Final Fantasy IX, being JRPG from the playstation with a plot involving mist. Legaia lost the fight, however, becoming a Cult Classic while Final Fantasy IX is considered one of the best games in the Final Fantasy franchise.

This doesn't count as Spiritual Adaptation,however, since the tone and plot of the two are the very opposite to each other.

edited 7th Aug '16 9:44:29 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
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#2933: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:59:51 PM

[up][up][up]@MDG

You know that five man band example is going to be removed as soon as you post it, as misuse.

However,

Only Sane Man: Between Chase’s arrogance, Kaz’s rashness and inability to think things through, Oliver’s insecurity and eccentricities, and Skylar’s alien values, there is not much sanity to go around. As the oldest of the group, Bree is normally left as the voice of reason. Having said that she still has her moments of foolishness.


[up][up]@King And those cases may be right, if the authors capitalised them. I need to see text, or there is no reason to capitalise.


[up]@Tomodachi

Legend of Legaia

  • Hilarious in Hindsight: ... However, when the hunters arrive, they bring a dead man with them, to everyone's sorrow. Much later, the monsters invade the place destroying the wall. It can give you a chuckle over how similar this is to [[Anime/AttackOnTitan Attack on Titan's]] introduction.

  • Dueling Games: In a way, this game is quite similar to Final Fantasy IX, being a JRPG from the Playstation with a plot involving mist. Legaia lost the fight, however, becoming a Cult Classic, while Final Fantasy IX is considered one of the best games in the Final Fantasy franchise.

  • This doesn't count as Spiritual Adaptation,however, since the tone and plot of the two are the very opposite to each other complete opposites.

edited 8th Aug '16 5:02:25 PM by war877

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#2934: Aug 8th 2016 at 8:56:01 PM

[up]

I just feel that the reader would understand the difference between the conceited man and the Conceited Man, given that is his identity.

But, lower case it is.

edited 8th Aug '16 9:03:04 PM by Kingofsouls

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MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2935: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:06:21 AM

War 877. If its going to be removed immediately I won't add it, but please first tell me what's wrong with it?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#2936: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:53:38 AM

[up] I presume that it might be due to reining the trope to fit a certain mold nowadays, a mold that seems to be incompatible with more modern works

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2937: Aug 9th 2016 at 8:14:09 AM

So your saying cause its not an exact fit, it doesn't qualify?

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#2938: Aug 9th 2016 at 1:42:52 PM

Thanks!

Here is another one.

Ashita No Joe

Adaptation Expansion: Youko first introduction in the manga (c.11) is after Joe got arrested, being on the courtroom watching the trial. She was the person who donated all the money to Joe's scheme with the children, and didn't have a speaking role with him in that chapter. In the anime series, we are shown Joe tricking her personally inside her home with all the kids, and insulting Joe after the trial is over. [[Tropes Are Not Bad, it makes their antagonism more personal.]]

edited 9th Aug '16 1:47:23 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
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#2939: Aug 9th 2016 at 1:53:14 PM

[up][up]The people who post here can explain why they would take it down better than me. But it has no grammatical errors.

edited 9th Aug '16 1:53:51 PM by war877

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2940: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:03:57 PM

Okay I understand. I'll just add the other two then.

Thanks for preventing me from wasting my time.

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#2941: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:20:03 AM

[up][up][up]Hello Tomodachi.

Oops, should have gotten to this one yesterday.

Ashita no Joe

  • Adaptation Expansion: Youko's first introduction in the manga (c.11) is after Joe got arrested, being on the courtroom watching the trial is as an audience member at Joe's trial. She was the person who donated all the money to Joe's scheme with the children, and didn't have a speaking role with him in that chapter. In the anime series, we are shown Joe tricking her personally himself, inside her home with all the kids, and insulting Joe after the trial is over. [[Tropes Are Not Bad, it makes their antagonism more personal.]]

I need to ask: "being on the courtroom watching the trial." Do you mean his first appearance is in court, standing trial?

You can fix that formatting problem by deleting the comma.

edited 11th Aug '16 5:21:27 AM by war877

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2942: Aug 11th 2016 at 8:24:18 AM

Okay, unfortunately I have another long addition. So to make it simpler, I cut it in two. All for the The Loud House page. Here is the first half:

For Lincoln

  • Determinator: Will go to incredible lengths to fulfil a task once he puts his mind to it. He spent nine months determining where the best spot was to sit in the family car.
  • Graceful Loser: He commonly ends up failing in his exploits, but normally manages to see the positives of the situation.

For Leni

  • Attention Deficit... Oh, Shiny!: Partially down her low intelligence Leni is easily distracted, especially by things she loves like clothes, fashion and make up.
  • Beware of the Nice Ones: Leni maybe the dimmest and the kindest of the Louds but even she can get aggressive, especially if you push her too far.
  • Kindhearted Simpleton: Leni is the nicest and sweetest member of the Loud family, however she really isn’t that bright.

For Luna

  • Hidden Depths: Who would have thought that a wild future rock star like her could also play classical violin?
  • Too Dumb to Live: Normally Luna is among the more sensible Loud siblings, and possess at least average intelligence. However she can get so caught up rocking out that does things that are incredibly stupid. Such as trying to stage dive people who clearly can’t hold her weight, such as the six year olds at Lola and Lana’s kid’s concert in 'Bro’s to Rock' and Lily in 'Changing the Baby'.

For Luan

  • Everyone Has Standards: While she enjoys filming and laughing at other people’s humiliation, she would never post an embarrassing video on the web without their permission.

For Lynn

  • The Big Guy: Lynn is undisputedly the most physical of the Loud siblings. She also practices kickboxing and enjoys football and Mexican wrestling.
  • Competition Freak: Any sporting competition she will not accept it if she’s the best. Even if the completion only exists in her mind, she will still not stop until she has won.
  • Dumb Muscle: Lynn is apparently not very good at academia (if Lincoln is to believed), however she is the most athletic and physical of all the Loud siblings. See Pint-Sized Powerhouse.
  • Jerk Jock: Occasionally, she does love her family and is normally friendly. However she is among the more aggressive siblings, loves roughhousing others and it’s really not a good idea to get her angry.
  • Pint-Sized Powerhouse: Despite her small size, she can causally lift and carry another person who is about the same size as her, with one hand.

edited 11th Aug '16 8:31:06 AM by MGD107

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#2943: Aug 11th 2016 at 6:28:20 PM

[up] Hello MDG107.

For Lincoln

No errors.

For Leni

  • Attention Deficit Oh Shiny: Partially down to her low intelligence, Leni is easily distracted, especially by things she loves like clothes, fashion and make up.
  • Beware of the Nice Ones: Leni maybe the dimmest and the kindest of the Louds, but even she can get aggressive, especially if you push her too far.
  • Kindhearted Simpleton: Leni is the nicest and sweetest member of the Loud family, however, she really isn’t that bright.

For Luna

  • Too Dumb to Live: Normally, Luna is among the more sensible of the Loud siblings, and possesses at least average intelligence. However, she can get so caught up rocking out that she does things that are incredibly stupid . , such as trying to stage dive people who clearly can’t hold her weight, such as the six year olds at Lola and Lana’s kid’s concert in 'Bro’s to Rock' and Lily in 'Changing the Baby'.

For Luan

No errors.

For Lynn

  • Competition Freak: Any sporting competition she will not accept it if she’s anything other than her being the best. Even if the completion only exists in her mind, she will still not stop until she has won.
  • Dumb Muscle: Lynn is apparently not very good at academia,  ( if Lincoln is to believed ) , however, she is the most athletic and physical of all the Loud siblings. See Pint-Sized Powerhouse.
  • Jerk Jock: Occasionally, She does love her family and is normally friendly. However, she is among the more aggressive siblings, loves roughhousing others and it’s really not a good idea to get her angry.

What is the first thing you type after typing the word however?

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2944: Aug 12th 2016 at 6:03:54 AM

Thank you War 877, and again sorry. I'm really not good at this am I? I'll get it eventually...hopefully.

Anyway, here is the second half:

For Lucy

  • Big Brother Worship: Downplayed. While she has her own conflicts with Lincoln and will never hesitate to call him out when he messes up, Lucy does on occasion display a level of respect and admiration for her older brother such as going solely to him for his opinion upon her poems and admiring his thick skin.
  • Deadpan Snarker: Her standard response to her families antics is generally sarcasm and often general wit told in the most unemotional way possible.
  • Hidden Depths:
    • Admits that even she needs a break from the dark and gloomy everyone once in a while, and is secretly a fan of the extremely girly Princess Pony series.
    • Also despite her seemingly casual disregard for everything, she admits that she couldn’t cope with her siblings teasing the way Lincoln can, and sometimes implies she is somewhat insecure and lonely.

For Lola

  • Hair-Trigger Temper: Lola really isn’t that difficult to set off, especially if you interfere with her possessions or pageant career. When she gets angry the results aren’t pretty. All the other Loud siblings know to avoid making her mad.

For Lisa

  • Deadpan Snarker: Is constantly deadpan to go with her unemotional outlook, and likewise speaks sarcasm as if it was a second language.
  • For Science!: Her main motivation in life is to further her research, and human understanding. The fact she’s willing to go as far as using her own siblings as lab rats, and is revealed in ‘Sleuth and Consequences’ to keep track of her entire family’s bathroom habits for another unexplained study.
  • Mad Scientist: She does have shades, such as using her siblings as guinea pigs for her experiments, and outright creating a monster out of trash in ‘Chore and Peace’. Lincoln even caught her manically laughing just before she pulled a huge lever on a series of electrodes attached to Lily in ‘Changing the Baby.’
  • Nerd Glasses: Always wears a large pair of very thick glasses, and its implied she can’t see properly without them. The only time she doesn’t wear them is when Lincoln takes them away in ‘Picture Perfect’ and when she dresses up as her sisters in ‘Cover Girls’.
  • The Stoic: Is almost completely unemotional, and generally reacts the family antics with disinterest. She even describes herself as “normally I don’t care for inane human emotions…”
  • The Smart Guy: Is the most academic of the siblings, having already graduated college at four. She has an incredible knowledge of science and mathematics, to the point where she does the families taxes and gives lectures at the university.

For Mick Swagger

  • Nice Guy: His attitude to Rock and Roll is that it doesn’t matter how good you are, it only matters if you have fun. He even liked the Loud families horrific performance in ‘House Music’ simply cause they all clearly had the time of their lives.
  • Older Than They Look: Mick hardly looks like he’s had a “forty year” long career by this point, unless he started when he was very young.

edited 13th Aug '16 3:47:10 AM by MGD107

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#2945: Aug 13th 2016 at 7:48:19 PM

[up]Hey MDG.

For Lucy

  • Big Brother Worship: ... older brother, such as for example going solely to him for his opinion upon her poems and admiring his thick skin.
  • Deadpan Snarker: Her standard response to her families family's antics is generally sarcasm and often or general wit told in the most unemotional way possible.

For Lola

-no errors-

For Lisa

  • Deadpan Snarker: She is constantly deadpan...
  • For Science!: Her main motivation in life is to further her research, and human understanding. The In fact she’s ...
  • Mad Scientist: She does have shades of this, such as using ...
  • Nerd Glasses: Always wears a large pair of very thick glasses, and its it's implied she can’t see properly without them. The only times she doesn’t wear them is when Lincoln takes them away in ‘Picture Perfect’ and when she dresses up as her sisters in ‘Cover Girls’.
  • The Stoic: She is almost completely unemotional, and generally reacts to the family's antics with disinterest. She even describes herself as “normally I don’t care for inane human emotions…”
  • The Smart Guy: She is the most academic of the siblings, having already graduated college at four. She has an incredible knowledge of science and mathematics, to the point where she does the families family's taxes and gives lectures at the university.

For Mick Swagger

  • Nice Guy: ...Loud families family's horrific performance...

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#2947: Aug 14th 2016 at 4:07:42 AM

[up]Oops, errata: The only times she dosen't wear them are

edited 14th Aug '16 4:07:54 AM by war877

flamemario12 Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
#2948: Aug 15th 2016 at 2:59:04 AM

My edits for Guide Dang It!/Pokemon

  • Trying to figure out which Pokemon learn which moves can be frustrating because sometimes there seem to be no rules as to what moves a Pokemon can learn at all. Moves learned by leveling up are fairly predictable and tend to be within the Pokemon's own type. As for TMs, Pokemon understandably can learn almost any TM move that is the same elemental type as they are. TM moves outside of a Pokemon's own typing is where it really gets confusing. They can be anywhere from reasonable to just impossible. Generation VI does make it easier by selecting Item on any Pokemon in the party and switching over to the TM tab can show which TM moves are incompatible with that Pokemon.

  • Wonder why two or more same Pokemon will have different stats at the same level? That have to do with Individual Values.The existence of these stats is only vaguely alluded to in-game, and fully understanding the process and its various formulas by oneself without hacking and digging deep into the game files is likely an impossible task. Knowing these stats and understanding them is essential for breeding Pokémon for competitive battling. In fact, this is specifically an Internet Guide Dang It, as even Nintendo's official guides include only very vague information on IVs.
    • Ever since the Battle Frontiers were introduced in Emerald there has always been a NPC who can and will appraise your Pokémon. He does not tell the exact IV, but will give you a vague average of your Pokémon's stat potential from "rather decent" to "outstanding", and will tell you which stat is highest, or which stats are tied for highest. In Generation VI, he'll also tell the player if it has 0 IV in any stat.

  • Before Generation VI introduced Super Training, there’s Effort Value. (officially called Base Stats) After defeating a Pokemon, the Pokemon will gain 1 to 3 EV to a particular stats (usually the highest stats of the defeated Pokemon), gaining a certain amount will raise the Pokemon’s stat depending on the Pokemon’s level. Pokemon can have a maximum 252 EV per stat and 510 EV in total. But the system is barely mentioned in the games prior to Generation VI.

The reason why I didn't use the official term because it clashed with another stat mechanic. Peoples might get confused at best because of it.

  • Nature were introduced in Generation III. One might think nature doesn’t affect anything at all, but it actually will raise a particular stat by 10% in exchange for lowering another stat. Unless the Pokemon has a Serious, Bashful, Hardy, Docile or Quirky nature, which doesn’t affect stats at all. From ‘’Heart Gold and Soul Silver onward’’, there’s a red text for stat that increase and blue text for stat that decrease. But some might think it’s the opposite. In Generation VI, the box system does have a search system that not only allows the player to search a specific nature on a Pokemon, but also detailing which stats is increased or decreased by nature.

  • Generation IV introduced characteristic, which varies from each Pokemon, including the same species. Some might think it’s merely a Flavor Text, but characteristic actually vaguely indicates one of the stats contain the highest Individual Value.

edited 15th Aug '16 2:59:47 AM by flamemario12

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2949: Aug 15th 2016 at 4:33:00 AM

[up]

  • no rules as to what moves a Pokemon can learn at all. -> no rules at all as to what moves a Pokemon can learn.
  • TM moves outside of a Pokemon's own typing -> type
  • selecting Item on any Pokemon in the party and -> party, and

  • Wonder why two or more same Pokemon -> two or more of the same
  • That have to do with -> has

The second entry violates Example Indentation. You can't have a single example at the second (or lower) level of example indentation. As far as I can tell the second paragraph ("Ever since the Battle Frontiers") isn't really relevant to the trope and is therefore Natter, so I'd just delete it.

  • there’s Effort Value. (officially called Base Stats) -> there’s Effort Value (officially called Base Stats).
  • will gain 1 to 3 EV to a particular stats -> will add 1 to 3 EV to a particular stat
  • usually the highest stats of the defeated Pokemon -> highest stat
  • raise the Pokemon’s stat depending on the Pokemon’s level. -> stat, depending on its level

After defeating a Pokemon, the Pokemon will gain 1 to 3 EV to a particular stat (usually the highest stat of the defeated Pokemon), gaining a certain amount will raise the Pokemon’s stat, depending on its level.

This is a run-on sentence (two sentences grafted together) and needs to be split up.

After defeating a Pokemon, the Pokemon will gain 1 to 3 EV to a particular stat (usually the highest stat of the defeated Pokemon). Gaining a certain amount will raise the Pokemon’s stat, depending on its level.

  • But the system is barely mentioned -> However, the system is barely mentioned

  • Nature were introduced... -> Natures were introduced
  • there’s a red text for stat that increase and blue text for stat that decrease. -> stats, stats
  • search a specific nature on a Pokemon-> search for the specific nature of a Pokemon
  • but also detailing which stats is -> but also details which stats are

I've done some checking online and it appears that, with regard to Pokemon, "nature" is a proper noun and should therefore be capitalized (Nature) throughout the paragraph.

Likewise, "characteristic" is a proper noun and should be capitalized.

edited 15th Aug '16 5:10:52 AM by Arivne

flamemario12 Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
#2950: Aug 15th 2016 at 6:16:34 AM

"The second entry violates Example Indentation."

Okay. The page is pretty bad with that anyway. So, I'm just do something like:

  • The existence of these stats is only vaguely alluded to in-game > alluded to in-game outside of stats judge


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