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Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#27876: Jan 6th 2024 at 6:17:27 PM

Thanks Arivne. She was trapped inside the food storage building.

Edited by Minorica on Jan 7th 2024 at 4:07:12 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Tylerbear12 What you see is what you get, just a guy. from The Green Hills. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
What you see is what you get, just a guy.
#27877: Jan 6th 2024 at 7:09:27 PM

AwesomeMusic.Sesame Street:

  • "Sing" is one of the most iconic and beloved songs in the show, and for good reason, as it is a simple, timeless, and joyful song that will last your whole life long and make you want to sing, sing a song. This song is only made better by the Carpenters' beautiful cover of the song, which rose to #3 on the Billboard charts in 1973. They also added a second verse to the song that ended up being adopted by Sesame Street itself for later versions of the song, bringing things full circle.

YMMV.Spider Man 2:


YMMV.Hilda:

  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • While he only appears in "The Laughing Merman", Eugene has quickly become the fan-favorite of the third season due to his fun and entertaining showman personality, becoming one of the show's more memorable antagonists.
    • Despite Louise only appearing in full in "The Laughing Merman" (with her other appearances being brief cameos in "The Forgotten Lake" and "The Fairy Isle"), many fans ended up loving her due to her quiet and observant personality and her fun dynamic with Hilda and her friends, with many wishing she got more time in the spotlight.

Trivia.Luca:

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Jan 7th 2024 at 12:31:49 PM

Alpinist Since: Jul, 2023
#27878: Jan 6th 2024 at 8:35:38 PM

Thanks

@ Criminal Minds

  • In general, the strong performances of guest victims (especially surviving ones) are often just as well-remembered as the killers, but Damsel out of Distress Kelly Dalton, one of the first such characters to survive the show, is also one of the best-remembered for the fight she puts up.

@ Criminal Minds

  • Seeing intended victims from two separate attacks survive "Charm and Harm" can evoke warm feelings, between how the first one is saved by a Heroic Bystander whose arm she clings to while sobbing in relief and the second one (who has a husband and kids) fights so hard to live and ultimately does.
  • In the otherwise grim "North Mammon," JJ comforts a traumatized kidnapping victim by telling her that the trauma will fade one day, and in the meantime, she can take comfort in how much her mother cares about her and worked to bring attention to her disappearance and bring in the team for the search.

    • The beginning of the episode has a Conversation Cut scene as a Ladykiller in Love and his latest date both excitedly talking on the phone to friends about how much fun they just had, although an appearance by the killer quickly ruins this.
@ I Remember Because...
  • In the "Reese Joins the Army" two-parter, Hal is made The Scapegoat for his company's white-collar crimes, and at first, he is unable to make head or tail of the specific dates he's accused of committing various misdeeds and thus can't contradict them. However, once he learns that every date on that list is on a Friday, he can remember an alibi: he's been skipping work every Friday for over a decade (something he can amply document).

@ They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot/Supernatural

  • The Alternate Timeline created by the Titanic not sinking in "My Heart Will Go On" has no shortage of fans who wish it hadn’t been Ret-Gone at the end [without a resurrected Jo ever being seen in person. Bobby and Ellen, as a couple, deserved more screen time. It would have been a convenient way to bring back more recurring and guest characters who were unjustly killed off, the effect all those souls have on the war in Heaven is barely mentioned, and there being thousands of new people in the world due to their ancestors having not died in the ship could have been a source of recurring Close-Enough Timeline jokes and provided more justification for Remember the New Guy? scenarios.
  • Some angels liking being exiled to Earth in season 9 and wanting to remain there after having the option to go back to Heaven had interesting potential to develop various unusually interesting and sympathetic angels, but all of those angels are quickly killed off and/or portrayed as Dangerous Deserters.
  • The reveal of the Empty (and Jack being able to resurrect angels from there) had the potential for him to bring back more angels than Castiel. It would have been interesting seeing the new God judging the various angels from across the show to decide which ones were worthy of a second chance at life and/or were able to help restore the universe, but this never happens.

@ The Hunger Games

  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • Many fans imagine the story diverging with the 3rd Quarter Quell twist due to either disliking the deaths of so many Victors, and people like [[spoiler, Cinna, Madge, and Prim]] that result from this or just wanting to see the Games go on longer with Katniss and Peeta mentoring and/or there being more Quells.
    • The prequel novel has people who prefer to ignore its existence due to its version of the first ten Games and Snow's backstory not satisfying everyone and making a lot of popular fanfics Outdated by Canon.

Edited by Alpinist on Jan 7th 2024 at 8:09:48 AM

FateStayWho Since: Jul, 2016
#27879: Jan 6th 2024 at 10:06:04 PM

@Arivne got it, thanks.

Super Mario Bros.

Warhammer 40,000

Monster Face Off

This work doesn't have pages for either of these so I plan to make some.

Moment of Awesome

  • The entire fight in Tyrannosaurus rex vs. Palaeoloxodon namadicus:
    • The larger elephant charges the dinosaur. The T-Rex proves far more nimble than it appears, dodges out of the way and bites the Palaeoloxodon’s rear leg. In response, the Palaeoloxodon attempts to push the Tyrannosaurus away and shows its sheer power by picking up the dinosaur and shoving it back.
  • After realizing the danger of the Palaeoloxodon's tusks and seeing how hard it is to get around them when the elephant understands the Tyrannosaurus's greater agility, the dinosaur sidesteps a charge from the elephant and bites onto one of its tusks. The analysis stated that a Palaeoloxodon's tusk would be hard to break even for the powerful jaws of a Tyrannosaurus. The dinosaur still manages to do so when the elephant tries to shake it off by rearing up and stomping, the impact breaking the tusk the T-Rex bit into.
  • The Palaeoloxodon does not let losing a tusk slow it down, and seeing the T-Rex is up close, grabs its neck with its trunk. While the Tyrannosaurus shakes free, the Palaeoloxodon uses the opening to push it over. With the dinosaur knocked prone, the elephant gores with its good tusk. While Tyrannosaurus is clearly dying from the wound, the Palaeoloxodon still isn’t finished and brings its front legs down on the T-Rex and crushes the life out of it. Having beaten the Terrifying Tyrannosaur, the Palaeoloxodon raises its trunk to the sky and trumpets in triumph.

Nightmare Fuel

  • Tyrannosaurus rex vs. Palaeoloxodon namadicus gives the Terrifying Tyrannosaur a frightening set of bright yellow eyes that the audience gets to see many times in a shot where the dinosaur is looking straight at the viewer. The image gives the feeling it is about to rush at the audience to try to eat them.
  • The same episode hammers in that being a herbivore does not make an animal friendly by showing real footage of African elephants attacking rhinos, and the Palaeoloxodon namadicus featured in the battle dwarfs the modern day elephant and even the T-Rex.

Edited by FateStayWho on Jan 6th 2024 at 10:06:57 AM

GolfyBall123 Call Me Lanky Box from Vietnam Since: May, 2023 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#27880: Jan 7th 2024 at 6:18:27 AM

I don't know if that works, but uh... Fingers crossed

Jack Stauber

Robert from "Work" has ADHD

He usually makes songs even when his computer is unplugged, which is something that ADHD people can do while they're in task.

Clare Since: Aug, 2009
#27881: Jan 7th 2024 at 6:56:24 AM

@ Alpinist

Criminal Minds

  • In general, the strong performances of guest victims (especially surviving ones) are often just as well-remembered as the killers, but Damsel out of Distress Kelly Dalton, one of the first such characters to survive the show, is also one of the best-remembered for the fight she puts up.

I Remember Because......

  • In the "Reese Joins the Army" two-parter, Hal is made The Scapegoat for his company's white-collar crimes, and at first, he is unable to make head or tail of the specific dates he's accused of committing various misdeeds and thus can't contradict them. However, once he learns that every date on that list is on a Friday, he can remember an alibi: he's been skipping work every Friday for over a decade (something he can amply document).

Supernatural

  • The Alternate Timeline created by the Titanic not sinking in "My Heart Will Go On" has no shortage of fans who wish it hadn’t been Ret-Gone at the end without a resurrected Jo ever being seen in person. Bobby and Ellen as a couple deserved more screentime. (period) It would have been a convenient way to bring back more recurring and guest characters who were unjustly killed off, the effect all those souls have on the war in Heaven is barely mentioned, and there being thousands of new people in the world due to their ancestors having not died in the ship could have been a source of recurring Close-Enough Timeline jokes and provided more justification for Remember the New Guy? scenarios.

  • The reveal of the Empty (and Jack being able to resurrect angels from there) had the potential for him to bring back more angels than Castiel. It would have been interesting seeing the new God judging the various angels from across the show to decide which ones were worthy of a second chance at life and/or were able to help restore the universe, but this never happens.

The Hunger Games

  • Fanon Discontinuity:

    • Many fans imagine the story diverging with the 3rd Quarter Quell twist due to either disliking the deaths of so many Victors, and people like Cinna, Madge, and Prim that result from this or just wanting to see the Games go on longer (space) (maybe even decades or centuries longer) with Katniss and Peeta mentoring and/or there being more Quells.

    • The prequel novel has people who prefer to ignore its existence due to its version of the first ten Games, (comma, superfluous word - cut) Snow's backstory not satisfying everyone and making a lot of popular fanfics Outdated by Canon.

Anything not listed here does not require correction.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#27882: Jan 7th 2024 at 7:16:27 AM

For Overshadowed by Controversy Video Games:

Edited by Minorica on Feb 4th 2024 at 11:26:42 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#27883: Jan 7th 2024 at 7:34:14 AM

Tokyo Xanadu

  • Amateur Film-Making Plot: One subquest involves Kou and his friends helping the movie club shoot a film, with Ryouta as the main protagonist.

She/Her | Currently cleaning: N/A
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27884: Jan 7th 2024 at 8:05:57 AM

[up] @Tylerbear 12

I can't find any English errors in those examples.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27885: Jan 7th 2024 at 8:07:42 AM

[up] @Golfy Ball 123

I don't see anything wrong with the English in that example.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27886: Jan 7th 2024 at 8:37:23 AM

[up] @Minorica

     Corrections 

While the first three games received a good reception...overseas for being...

The "White Shirts Society" arc has the protagonist joining the cult by two of the followers. The problem is that the player is forced to join it and has to convince weak-willed disaster victims to join it (as joining cults and their brainwashing activities is already sinful in general), although at the end of said arc has the protagonist, who becomes a cult leader by Lord Hakuya (the previous cult leader), steals the assets of the cult and disbands it by betraying its followers.

^ "joining the cult by two of the followers." and "becomes a cult leader by Lord Hakuya" are not correct English, but I can't tell what you meant to write.

To make it worse, when an overseas student named Danny and evacuation victims discover your ruse, both the protagonist and Danny get rocks thrown at them by said people with rocks, forcing the protagonist to scapegoat Danny and throw rocks at him like the other people....and the protagonist can't help but move away. Unlike the previous...

^ Move away how? Move away where?

...and her student Hirokonote, <- comma who...in the first <- no comma and second games...let her die. Not just The protagonists'...one of the dialogue...gets discovered in the debris; Hiroko is suspected by players of pretending to be bullied by Eri because of her unnatural...English version can only offer...

...deuteragonist) in the first half of the game with no way to prevent the sexual assault against her...Fighting Game. <- period and After defeating...But This has been criticized...Kanae and the protagonist got their hands and legs tied by them or Yayoi got caught by them.

...such as events of people's...hiking the product prices...the protagonist becoming much more incompetent and helpless, bad people going unpunished (except in the endgame) and good people suffering badly to make...Because of this, the fourth game has been criticized for being so dark...that occur in the main story. Not even the Epilogue DLC will lessens the...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27887: Jan 7th 2024 at 8:38:46 AM

[up] ~@Ayumi-chan

I can't find any English problems in that example.

FateStayWho Since: Jul, 2016
#27888: Jan 7th 2024 at 12:36:04 PM

Pokémon Adventures - Kanto

Blue

  • Adaptational Heroism: While not a villain in the games, Blue only exists as an opponent for Red to defeat and doesn’t show concern with anything else, most blatantly being when Team Rocket has taken over Siph Co. Blue only shows up to battle Red and then leaves. The manga instead sees him help Red against Team Rocket and becomes an ally for the remainder of the series.

Pokémon Red and Blue - Protagonists and Rivals

Blue Oak

Rugrats S 6 E 5 Submarine Chuckies A Lefty

  • The Alleged Car: Larry's cars are all junk. A tire on the first one he tries to sell pops, and another one is in such sorry shape that Tommy and Chuckie, two babies, push a door off its hinges.
  • Obviously Evil: Lou calls used salesman "sharks." Looney Larry’s hair is shaped like a shark’s dorsal fin, and he is introduced with an over-the-top Jaws-style theme while Finger-Tenting. The babies imagining him as a literal shark doesn’t look much more blatantly villainous than the real thing.
  • Papa Wolf: Lou comes with Stu to Looney Larry’s car dealership under the suspicion that his Horrible Judge of Character son will get scammed if he goes on his own. He is right, as Stu is oblivious that Larry selling is cars that are clearly pieces of junk.

Values Resonance

  • The Adventures of Superman features a story arc where Superman battles against a a thinly veiled pastiche of the Ku Klux Klan. The story famously tackles themes of racism, discrimination, and how people who exploit racial tensions are out to make money off gullible people who want to feel better about themselves by thinking they are better than someone else. This was in 1946. As the storyline’s themes became more relevant in the 2010s with rising racial tensions, its popularity led to a modern reimagining that didn’t need to change the political commentary.

The Adventures of Superman

Edited by FateStayWho on Jan 7th 2024 at 12:40:34 PM

Tylerbear12 What you see is what you get, just a guy. from The Green Hills. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
What you see is what you get, just a guy.
#27889: Jan 7th 2024 at 12:57:07 PM

YMMV.Disney Theme Parks:

  • Creator Backlash: The former CEO of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer at the time of Disney-MGM Studios' opening — Kirk Kerkorian — hated that Disney used the MGM name for the park, especially since Disney was one of the studio's biggest competitors and the deal was reportedly done by the board behind his back. Unsurprisingly, MGM and Disney did not get along well and the two studios would get into various legal fights over the usage of the name (especially in the earlier days when Disney-MGM Studios was used as a studio and when MGM attempted to enter the theme park business themselves). Eventually, Disney had enough of MGM and would ultimately drop the name in 2008 in favor of Hollywood Studios. Likewise, MGM has refused to acknowledge the park.

  • Screwed by the Lawyers: Because of constant legal fights with MGM, who hated that Disney used their name for the park, Disney would drop the MGM name from the logo in 2008 in favor of calling it Disney Hollywood Studios.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Jan 7th 2024 at 3:02:37 AM

JKCIP Since: Sep, 2020
#27890: Jan 7th 2024 at 10:38:42 PM

@Ensemble Dark Horse/ Pokémon

  • Galarian Weezing became popular due to its thematic design and being one of the very first Poison/ Fairy Types introduced. Plus, its signature ability Neutralizing Gas helped Pokémon such as Regigigas and Slaking become serious threats without drawbacks. This ensures Galarian Weezing's place as a valuable ally.
  • Ursaluna easily became one of the most popular evolutions introduced in Pokémon Legends: Arceus. Not only does it help bring the Teddiursa line's moon connection full circle, but it even has a cool evolution condition that suits it. This evolution helped save the whole evolution line as a whole and gave the first proper quadrupedal Bear Pokémon. Plus being very useful in finding hidden items certainly helped boost its popularity.

  • Wyrdeer is beloved due to its badass deer design and Santa Claus look. This cool deer not only won people over but it helped hype players on other classic Pokémon getting ancient badass evolution. Being the first Ride Pokémon introduced in Legend Arceus, it gave one incredible first impression.

  • White-Striped Basculin and its Epic Evolution Basculegion are easily one of the coolest fish introduced into Generation 8. It not only has a dark and sad backstory but also has a spiritual look that fits the region it was first introduced. Both male and female designs certainly helped ensure people would want to catch it. Being the first Legend Arceus Pokémon to catch in The Teal Mask in the beloved Timeless Woods ensures people want to obtain this ghoulish fish.

  • Hisuian Qwilfish introduction in Pokémon Legends: Arceus was met with praise and fans due to its better typing as Dark/Poison and goofy yet scary evolution Overqwil which was foreshadowed in Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. It truly embraces the Painful Pointy Pufferfish archetype in a cooler way. As one of the Hisuian Pokémon to return to the Indigo Disk and change evolution conditions help ensure people will love and use this ancient fish as an ally in their team.

  • Walking Wake is easily one of the most popular ancient Paradox Pokémon introduced in Scarlet and Violet thanks to its awesome dinosaur-cat hybrid design. Being based on the popular fan favorite Suicune mostly certainly helped. Not only does it have the popular Water/Dragon typing, but it also has an awesome Signature Move Hydro Steam which becomes stronger in the Sun weather instead of weakening. It also helped foreshadow that other Paradox Pokémon based on Legendary Pokémon will be coming in the Hidden Treasure of Area Zero expansion.

  • Bloodmoon Ursaluna proved to be just as popular as the original Ursaluna from Legends Arceus. This bear takes the moon theme even further than ever. Being tied to Perrin's side quest and plenty of homage to Legend Arceus most certainly helped. Armed with a powerful laser of a signature move called fittingly Blood Moon and Mind's Eye, it is a terror to Ghost types. This makes Bloodmon Ursaluna a powerful special attacker to use in competitive play.

jahman Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#27891: Jan 7th 2024 at 10:46:03 PM

One Piece: Monkey D. Luffy

  • Taught by Experience: As the young captain of the Straw Hat Pirates and their expanding network of allies, Luffy embodies one of the primary reasons behind their impressive accomplishments- his willingness to learn from his experiences and adapt to different circumstances. This is especially true after completing Rayleigh's two-year training. He embarks on a perilous journey through treacherous waters, including the Grand Line, where he faces numerous obstacles and adversaries, such as the Marines, Shichibukai, and Yonko. Despite the challenges he faces, Luffy's journey enables him to enhance his combat and leadership skills, which continue to improve as he strives towards his ultimate goal of becoming the Pirate King and fulfilling his unknown dream.

Sensual Phrase

Aine

  • Be Careful What You Wish For: Aine has always found the idea of becoming a lyricist thrilling. Her chance encounter with Sakuya, however, brought about a series of events that would change her life forever. Their whirlwind romance is intense, but it is also fraught with difficulties that left Aine in a world of hurt. Despite the hardships, Aine is determined to see her dream and romance through to the end.
  • Covert Pervert: It's remarkable to consider that a girl with such a mild-mannered demeanor could produce alluring and provocative lyrics, all inspired by her intense feelings for Sakuya.
  • Teen Genius: Played With: At the age of 17, she has shown exceptional talent as an erotic songwriter. However, in other areas, she is rather average.

Edited by jahman on Jan 8th 2024 at 7:28:16 AM

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#27892: Jan 8th 2024 at 6:48:15 AM

Danny Gonzalez

  • I Resemble That Remark!: Discussed and Played for Laughs in "Why Does Everyone Believe Anything On TikTok". When the girl in video tries to deflect that she would never leave a hate comment, Danny shows a comment of her making a hate comment against the Kardashians. He then gives an example of that exact behavior saying he would "never talk shit about anyone" and that he never "call Timothée Chalamet a little bitch".

Edit: Added another

Cute Mute

  • A Sign of Affection: The protagonist, Yuki Itose, is a sweet-hearted college student who is deaf and as such, she never talks, only communicating through sign language, writing or texting. However, the audience can still hear her inner thoughts.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 8th 2024 at 11:00:41 PM

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Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27893: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:09:04 AM

[up] @Fate Stay Who

     Corrections 

...most blatantly being when Team Rocket...and become an ally...

Adaptations give him moments where he at least calls the police...

Lou calls used car salesman "sharks."

...is by far the most well-known arc of the radio series, <- comma to the point...

WileK209 Since: Jun, 2009
#27894: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:10:07 AM

Some things I want to add to KaBlam!...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27895: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:12:55 AM

[up] @Tylerbear 12

There don't seem to be any English mistakes in those examples.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27896: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:26:23 AM

[up] @JKCIP

     Corrections 

...one of the very first Poison/Fairy <- no space Types introduced.

This evolution helped save the whole evolution line as a whole...Bear Pokémon, <- comma plus being...

It not only has a dark and sad backstory, <- comma but also has a spiritual look that fits the region in which it was first introduced.

Hisuian Qwilfish's introduction...met with praise by fans due to its better typing as Dark/Poison and goofy yet scary evolution Overqwil, <- comma which...Being one of the Hisuian Pokémon to return to the Indigo Disk and change evolution conditions helps ensure...

...Scarlet and Violet, <- comma thanks...Signature Move, <- comma Hydro Steam, <- comma which...in the Sun weather...Legendary Pokémon would be coming...

Armed with a powerful laser of a signature move fittingly called Blood Moon...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27897: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:29:21 AM

[up] @jahman

...however, brings about...that will change...difficulties that leave Aine...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27898: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:34:30 AM

[up] @Ayumi-chan

When the girl in the video tries to deny that...Danny shows a comment of her making a hate comment...exact behavior, <- comma saying...never "called Timothée Chalamet a little bitch".

A Sign of Affection: The...who is deaf, <- comma and, <- comma as ...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27899: Jan 8th 2024 at 8:37:19 AM

[up] @Wile K 209

...sprain her wrist while playing her bongoes.

...whenever an adult is nearby, <- comma but Grubby Groo...

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#27900: Jan 8th 2024 at 9:09:42 AM

[up][up] Thanks Arvine! I reworded the former entry a bit but the other grammar mistakes have been fixed.

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