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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
@ Rosieanders68
- End-of-Series Awareness: The final story arc has the characters receive a red glow from their palms, indicating that the webcomic is about to end, not to mention that they will face off against the evil future version of Thanatos.
Edited by Clare on Dec 31st 2023 at 3:01:30 PM
Page 1111 @Alpinist
...he gets in an accident while zip-lining and ends up in a full-body cast...
...and have powerful interactions with JLA members...
...from several episodes between her first and last appearances, only...
...scapegoat for what the show's seemingly inevitable cancellation?
...who has spent twelve years building a plane in his garage. <- period
...condo dwellers in Mermaid Confidential and The Maltese Iguana include...
Molly's adopted sister Tina...and isn't competing <missing text>, when...Commonality Connection, <- comma given...
^ Tina isn't competing how? With whom?
Edited by Arivne on Dec 31st 2023 at 9:05:59 AM
Page 1111 @Tylerbear 12
...while others find to be it lazy on Nintendo's part...
Avenue Q is a off-Broadway musical...would have a off-Broadway musical...
...and more wolf-like features, such as fur and a wolf's tail.
The film was originally titled Rebel: Turning Darkness into Light <- no comma before...
...'90s-to-the-early 2000s under Paul Pressler and Cynthia Hariss.
Page 1111 @Fate Stay Who
...he easily defeats the dark chi warriors almost single-handledly.
...dukes it out with the giant dark-chi-empowered Drago.
...neither takes over the world <- no comma and both are trapped forever.
This backfires, <- comma as Drago pulls Shendu down with him.
...Shendu is willing to save Drago from falling into the Demon Realm, <- comma albeit...
Uncle knows that Shendu cannot be trusted, <- comma but has no other options.
The Ice Gang breaks into Section 13 and level it.
^ British English: The Ice Gang break into Section 13 and level it.
^ American English: The Ice Gang breaks into Section 13 and levels it.
^ It needs to be one or the other.
Edited by Arivne on Dec 31st 2023 at 9:38:40 AM
Page 1111 @Wile K 209
That's All, Folks!: Unlike most Warner Bros. cartoon shorts prior to 1964, it's averted...
There's nothing wrong with the English in this example.
However, Averted Trope says:
"Generally, only nigh Omnipresent Tropes, Acceptable Breaks from Reality or No Straight Examples, Please! tropes should have aversions listed as examples."
If you look on those pages, you will not find That's All, Folks!, so it can't be averted.
Edited by Arivne on Dec 31st 2023 at 9:47:25 AM
For Disposable Woman Video Games:
- Pachipara: in the fifth and sixth installments of Pachipro Fuunroku, the Player Character will have a date with one of the heroines who first approaches them in the main story, and it's a fixed route. However, no matter how you date the first girl, she'll get murdered by the culprit offscreen or died with no way to save her. Her death serves as the player character's mission to find the true murderer and clean someone's name. The dead love interests in question are Kanako and Sayaka in the fifth and sixth installment, respectively.
For Trans Audience Interpretation Video Games:
- Pachipara: in Pachipro Fuunroku 6 ~Passion Arc~, if the Player Character chooses to approach Ayaka, one of the hostesses in the Host Club before Keisuke gets beaten and hospitalized, you'll encounter an event where Genji finds out that Ayaka is in the men's toilet. It turns out that Ayaka is a man crossdressing as a woman, which that fact is only known between Ayaka and the player character. Judging his motive, many players interpret that he wants to become a transwoman because he's ashamed of being a man (with an effeminate voice). Oh, Ayaka is the only "girl" whom the player character (if you choose the male protagonist) can date, if that helps.
Ayaka: I wanted to become what I wanted, but God made a mistake. I wish I could be reincarnated as a woman so I can do anything I want. I've deceived everyone in this club, but you have to believe me. When I was telling you the truth when it's over, you have to believe me.
Edited by Minorica on Feb 27th 2024 at 8:14:41 PM
"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."@Arivne got it, thanks.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 2 E 32 The Chosen One
- Curb-Stomp Battle: Once Tohru realizes he is not the Chosen One and is therefore allowed to fight, he easily defeats the dark chi warriors almost single-handedly.
- Generic Doomsday Villain: Daolon Wong seeks to kill the Chosen One and has no real motivation beyond being a Card-Carrying Villain who wants to advance the cause of evil.
- Shut Up, Kirk!: Uncle warns Daolon Wong that he studied under Chi Master Fong, to which the dark chi wizard boasts that he killed Fong. Uncle vows to make the dark wizard pay for that.
- Never Say "Die": Uncle boasts that he studied under Chi Master Fong. Daolon Wong, in response, brags that he "defeated" Fong, the context meaning he killed Fong.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 2 E 34 The Chan Who Knew Too Much
- Stupid Evil: The magisters are so paranoid about outsiders learning of their existence that they decide Jackie knows too much just because he saw them in their robes. Despite him insisting he doesn't know anything of value, they keep chasing him and Jade, which causes the two to decide to learn more and thwart the magisters' plans for real.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 3 E 10 A Jolly J Team Xmas
- Entertainingly Wrong: Jade assumes that Daolon Wong is attacking Santa because he hates Christmas. Uncle explains that the dark wizard instead wants to destroy the good chi that Santa possesses.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 3 E 12 The Ox Head Incident
- The Juggernaut: Becoming a Dark Chi Warrior makes Hak Foo unstoppable. It takes Uncle using the power of the ox talisman to defeat him.
- No-Sell: Hak Foo, as a Dark Chi Warrior, is impervious to any attacks by Jackie.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 3 E 16 Tohru Who
- Cardboard Prison: Despite Valmont being arrested in his last appearance, he is a free man in this episode.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 3 E 15 Re Enter The Dragon
- Brought Down to Badass: Shendu regains the power of the dragon, pig, and rooster talismans after returning to life, but is still missing the other nine talismans. He is still too powerful for Daolon Wong, and none of the weapons thrown at him by Section 13 can slow him down.
- Evil Is Not a Toy: Daolon Wong revives Shendu with the promise he will get the power of combustion in exchange for bringing the demon sorcerer back to life. Shendu naturally betrays the dark wizard, takes the power of combustion, and steals the power of the two talismans that Daolan Wong previously gained.
- It's What I Do: After Shendu betrays Daolon Wong, he points out that while he is a noble dragon, he is also a demon sorcerer who is not known for keeping promises.
- No-Sell: Shendu is met with a hail of weapons fire when he breaks into Section 13. Even without the dog talisman making him immortal and the Healing Factor of the horse talisman, none of the weapons affect him.
- Too Dumb to Live: Daolon Wong entered a deal with Shendu, a demon sorcerer, and expected the demon to keep his end of the bargain. Shendu even points out that keeping promises isn't his thing.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 4 E 1 The Mask Of The Shadowkhan
- Benevolent Boss: Tarakudo is respectful towards the Enforcers and forgives them for their defeat. He did strong arm them into working for him, so his treatment comes off more as Pragmatic Villainy.
- Pragmatic Villainy: Tarakudo initially tries to convince the Dark Hand to work for him with the promise of rewards, and when they refuse, he threatens to kill them. Nonetheless, he forgives the failure to obtain the first mask. In all, he prefers to keep his minions loyal.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 4 E 5 The Demon Behind
- Informed Ability: Ikazuki is supposedly the most feared of the Oni generals and Tarakudo's dragon thanks to his leadership skills. Since he is a mask reanimated by the rat talisman, he spends much of the episode powerless and is an almost literal Butt-Monkey when he gets stuck on Finn's behind.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 5 E 12 The Powers That Be Part 1
- Blatant Lies: Jade denies being afraid of Shendu when she sees him. He isn't fooled.
Jackie Chan Adventures S 5 E 13 The Powers That Be Part 2
- Abusive Parent: Shendu and Drago's history is never explored, but their interactions imply there is no love loss between father and son. Shendu previously stated he would be proud of his son for taking over the world. Still, once restored, he gladly becomes the biggest obstacle in Drago's path simply because he insists on ruling the world himself. Even when Shendu is willing to save Drago from falling into the Demon Realm, he still insists that his son will be his subordinate, not his equal.
- Behemoth Battle: A restored Shendu, who is much larger than usual, dukes it out with the giant dark-chi-empowered Drago.
- Buried Alive: Tohru fails to escape the collapse of Section 13 and is buried under the rubble. He nonetheless survives.
- Chronic Backstabbing Disorder: Showing that Drago is a chip off the old block when Shendu tries to save him from falling into the Demon Realm. Rather than letting his father pull him up, Drago pulls him down instead. This causes Shendu to grab onto Drago while falling, ensuring his son is dragged down with him.
- Enemy Mine: Shendu, of all people, temporarily works with the heroes against Drago since he feels that Earth is his and his alone to rule.
- Evil Will Fail: As usual, Shendu insists that the world is his and his alone to rule, to the point where he willingly helps his sworn enemies against Drago, right as his son is on the verge of conquering the planet. Surprisingly, he is willing to save Drago from being trapped in the Demon Realm in exchange for his submission, but Drago tries to pull Shendu down with him, resulting in his father dragging him down as well. The result of the demons' backstabbing and selfish nature is that neither takes over the world and both are trapped forever.
- Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!: Shendu attempts to save Drago from falling into the Demon Realm, but Drago proves as treacherous as his father and pulls him down. While falling, Shendu grabs onto Drago and ensures both of them fall. Since the only thing that could stop the two demons is each other, Drago ensured neither would pose a threat again.
- No One Could Survive That!: Tohru gets buried in the collapse of Section 13. When dug out by Uncle and the Enforcers, he has no lasting injuries.
- No Good Deed Goes Unpunished: In his one moment of decency in the series, Shendu attempts to save Drago from falling into the Demon Realm when his son begs for mercy. This backfires, as Drago pulls Shendu down with him.
- Pet the Dog: In a surprising moment, Shendu is willing to save Drago from falling into the Demon Realm, albeit only with the promise of his son remembering Earth is Shendu's to rule. This bites him in the ass as Drago pulls him down with him.
- Summon Bigger Fish: Drago has become too powerful, so the only way to stop him is to restore Shendu. Uncle knows that Shendu cannot be trusted, but has no other options. Fortunately, Drago and Shendu both pull each other into the Demon Realm, where they can no longer threaten humanity.
- Trash the Set: The Ice Gang breaks into Section 13 and levels it.
@ Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
- He's Just Hiding: Some fans wonder if Black Manta may have survived his Disney Villain Death, especially since his suit does have a jet pack.
- Just Here for Godzilla: Most fans are only interested in seeing the film because of Orm taking an Anti-Hero role (and having some more lighthearted Sibling Rivalry moments with Aquaman), the new undersea visual effects, how the movie is the finale of the DCEU, or some combination of the three.
@ Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
- Orm is starved, regularly beaten, and widely hated by his former subjects while being kept in a Hellhole Prison. Nonetheless, he actually argues against his brother breaking him out of jail (and is willing to turn himself back in) due to not wanting his kingdoms to end up at war yet again.
- "Red Christmas" (a Steve Hockensmith short story collected in Naughty: Nine Tales of Christmas Crime) features a group of KGB agents trying to kidnap Santa Claus so they can take the magic he uses to make his naughty and nice lists and spy on their enemies. After the plan is foiled, one of the agents, who has a weary Seen It All visage, requests political asylum at the North Pole and gets a job in the reindeer stables.
- "Humbug" (a Steve Hockensmith short story collected in Naughty: Nine Tales of Christmas Crime) acts as an Alternate Universe Happy Ending Override parody/mystery sequel to A Christmas Carol and features Scrooge being drugged, hallucinating the presence of the three ghosts, and wandering deliriously through the busy streets until he is killed. The police initially look at the case as a premeditated murder, but it turns out Scrooge was only drugged to make him too drowsy to conduct a proper audit of the books and learn that Bob Cratchitt was Stealing from the Till.
Mrs. Bucket [I]f he had been murdered, I should think you would have a city full of suspects. But William—Scrooge wasn't murdered, was he? He ran into the street and was trampled by a passing wagon. His death was an accident.
Inspector William Bucket: How can you say that? The opium-!
Mrs. Bucket Would have made a poor weapon. If Scrooge's death had been the objective, surely arsenic would have made a better choice. Or any of a hundred other poisons.
- Older Than They Think: This isn't the first contemporary Charles Dickens crossover work of fiction where Inspector Bucket investigates the death of one of the partners of Scrooge and Marley. The 2007 Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine story "Humbug" (which is also collected in Naughty: Nine Tales of Christmas Crime), features Scrooge dying after it turns out that the events of A Christmas Carol were all just a dream after he was secretly drugged with opium, and Bucket is assigned to find out who is responsible.
- Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking: Amon's first scene has him lecture an Intergang Mook about all of the terrible things their corrupt colonial forces are doing to ruin the country. He ends this serious recital by noting that Intergang forces the local populace to spend a lot of time waiting in line.
- In "Red Christmas" (a Steve Hockensmith short story collected in Naughty: Nine Tales of Christmas Crime), Santa Claus has magical abilities and is the sweetest man in the world, but the brain behind operations at the North Pole is Mrs. Claus (who also heads the investigation into the murder of an elf and saves her husband from being kidnapped in the story's climax).
@ Alan Dean Foster Who Needs Enemies
- Handicapped Badass: The hero of "Gift of a Useless Man" is paralyzed from the neck down except for one of his arms, but by being a Normal Fish in a Tiny Pond, he is able to give a tribe of telepathic alien insects valuable insights in farming, building, government, education, and more. When a hostile rival tribe attacks his friends, due to being so much bigger than the insects, he is even able to squash most of the enemy army with one blow of his good arm.
- Hidden in Plain Sight: In "Bystander," a space traveler spends hours observing a nearby alien ship to try and learn something about other (more powerful) cultures, then learns that a nearby comet that he barely glanced at was either a disguised alien ship or a secretly sentient alien itself.
- Little Miss Badass: The story "Swamp Planet Christmas" features an eight-year-old girl who is part of an interstellar colonial expedition that is being threatened by a local species (led by Warrior Monk Umoo). She writes a letter to Santa requesting "a Dolly, a swamp-bike, and a real Mark XX laser rifle so I can help daddy shoot the bad grimps and that nasty Mister Umoo."
- Living Aphrodisiac: The short story "The Dark Light Girl" features a town whose children have luminescent, firefly-like skin as a side effect of nearby nuclear testing. In addition to glowing, they also make almost anyone who looks at them feel an overpowering sense of lust (which is why their families are afraid to entrust them to scientists who can potentially cure them but might also succumb to urges to sexually abuse them).
- Plant Person: The short story "Village of the Chosen" features a village of people who, due to scientific experiments, have formed symbiotic bonds with a rare type of plant that turns their skin green and allows them to live on sunlight (through photosynthesis) rather than food, making it possible that the discovery could end world hunger.
- Prospector: The supporting characters in the Weird West tale "Wu-Ling's Folly" include a quartert of prospectors (including two veterans of The American Civil War and an eighteen-year-old from Chicago who's "matured ten years" in the year he's spent mining) who spend a year digging for gold, then have a dragon swoop in to take the fruits of their hard labor away. They fight back with their guns and tools but still lose their treasure and two of their lives.
- Ensemble Dark Horse:
- The five Russians from the second movie (especially Yuri) are better liked than most of their American counterparts for being more professional and dignified while still having their own Not So Above It All Ragtag Bunch of Misfits traits.
- Stockman from the third movie never gets any action scenes but is still a pretty popular supporting character for being a Benevolent Boss and Cool Old Guy whose actor plays his role convincingly.
- Creator's Favorite: Director Takashi Yamazaki has called Dr. Noda and Captain Hotta his two favorite characters. Given how neither is the main hero and most fans like them too, neither is a Creator's Pet.
- Undead Child Callie from One Thing or Your Mother has fans who wish she had appeared in more books due to her bonding with Spike and how she is initially more conflicted about killing than most vampires.
- Ensemble Dark Horse:
- Ethan's great-aunts get a lot of love from the fanbase for being absolutely hilarious (occasional Still Fighting the Civil War moments aside) and displaying the occasional keen Hidden Depths and insights about the hidden magical society around them.
- Macon's (literal) seeing-eye dog Boo Radley is more popular than the average Team Pet in a YA book.
- Ridley's sisters Ryan (The Cutie) and Reece (the Ice Queen) have little page time or dialogue throughout the books but are quite popular, with fans mourning their deletion from the movie.
- Abby Porter, Winnie Reid, and Robert Lester Tate have less than a dozen combined mentions throughout all four books, but still get a bit of interest and sympathy for being the only three students besides Ethan and Link to show even the slightest friendliness to the Duchannces family.
- In the pilot movie, Dr. Kyle uses a surgical laser to drive back an assassin trying to kill him and his patient.
- Alternate Character Interpretation: It can sometimes be hard to tell if some of the more ruthless statements and actions of prisoners like Capone and Willy One-Arm are because they need to put on a show of ruthlessness for fellow inmates or their nicer moments are merely putting on a show for the protagonists, or if they are capable of both genuine cruelty and kindness.
- Base-Breaking Character: Different fans find Little Miss Con Artist Piper either insufferable or annoying, although, for some of her detractors, she is Rescued from the Scrappy Heap through her Reformed, but Rejected arc in the fourth book.
- Even Better Sequel: Despite the Trilogy Creep nature of the fourth book and a few popular characters being Demoted to Extra, many fans feel that the fourth book is on par with the rest of the series and even slightly better than the reasonably popular third book.
- Moral Event Horizon: Few fans have anything good to say about the previously fairly harmless Bea Trixle after she leaves Natalie stranded in the inmate wing (where she could have been raped or killed) just to make Mr. Flanagan look bad.
- Unpopular Popular Character: Janet Trixle is often kept at a distance by the other kids on the island due to her unpleasant parents and her occasional rivalry with Theresa, whom the other kids like better. However, many readers still find Janet entertaining and fairly likable for her Girly Girl with a Tomboy Streak personality and occasional helpful moments.
- Watched It for the Representation: A lot of readers are drawn in by the nuanced and realistic autistic character Natalie and her life in a society that doesn't yet understand autism very well.
Edited by Alpinist on Jan 1st 2024 at 1:20:15 AM
For Complete Monster.
- The Ultimates (2015): The First Firmament is the egoistical personification of the very first universe. He created the Aspirants to worship him, until some of them rebeled and become Calestials, leading to war which shattered Firmament essence and created the first multiverse. First Firmament went into hiding and plotted his revenge, determined to once again become all there is. After birth of the Eight Cosmos, First Firmament captures Eternity and starts draining his powers while having Aspirants infiltrate multiverse and spread his corruption, causing countless worlds to be destroyed. He manipulates Master Order and Lord Chaos into killing the Living Tribunal and combining into Logos, using him to kill Calestials and infect Galactus with hunger that would cause him to devour all space and time. When his plot to absorb the multiverse fails and the Eternity is freed, First Firmament decises to just kill him amd destroy the Multiverse.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Jan 1st 2024 at 2:38:10 AM
Okay I've quite got a lot of additions planned for Gangs of London. To make this simpler I'm just going to go by the character for the moment:
Sean Wallace
- At Least I Admit It: Noticeably in comparison to his selfishness in season one, Sean grows into this in season two. Despite becoming an far more ruthless and underhanded person, unlike most other gangsters Sean doesn’t even attempt to dress his actions up as anything other than naked ambition and greed, with him overall seeming apathetic to excuses in general. At one point he asks Saba if she wishes to kill him for murdering her beloved uncle, when Saba tactically admits she does Sean calmly acknowledges he has no real justification for taking his life thus she has every right to feel that way and sends her on her way.
- Broken Ace: An interesting example, as the focus is primarily on his broken traits only revealing his skills later, however, over the course of the first season it becomes clear that Sean really does have the skills to be a successful crime boss. He’s a strong fighter, a cunning strategist, a charismatic negotiated, a forceful leader and a ruthless criminal when necessary, who also has a clear head on his shoulders and strong instincts. However, his impulsiveness, recklessness, temper, and inexperience all ruin it and make it clear to everyone he’s just not capable of succeeding his father. This is proven in season two, where after Sean gains greater control over his emotions and becomes a lot savvier, he successfully manages to retake London from the Investors.
- Big Brother Instinct: Played with, as Sean is the younger brother, however, due to Billy addictions and struggles with the lifestyle, it becomes clear that Sean has been protecting Billy for much of their lives. After spending a season of crossing every line he ever previously held in the pursuit of power, Sean finally hits his limit in the final and risks everything he’s worked for (including ruining his profitable partnership) to save Billy.
- Boisterous Weakling: A variation, as physically speaking Sean is one of the strongest fighters in the show. While he wields authority as the Wallace head, he's surrounded by career criminals who've been at this for decades. His insistence on treating them like henchmen amounts to this. Later subverted in season 2, when he returns after being presumed dead and manages to take over the city despite having the odds against him.
- Character Death: Shot through the head by Eliot in the season one final and confirmed by the police to be dead. Subverted in season two, when its revealed Sean was rescued by Lale, before being captured by Joseph Singer and slowly recovering in his off the books prison.
- The Charmer: Not his standard procedure, but Sean’s proven that when required he’s able to lay on the charm. When in negotiations with Bibi Agostini it is acknowledge by everyone that Sean should lead the negotiations and he quickly convinces Bibi into a deal she held out on Finn for decades.
- The Chessmaster: Whilst Sean usually acts on impulse and emotion, it shown on several occasions that when he stops and plans, he’s a surprisingly capable strategist. A good example being how he deals with Lale stealing Asif’s drugs, Sean sets up the situation where Lale’s sister and nieces are kidnapped then sends her a warning to return profits or else. When Lale pushes forward for the cause, Sean reveals he already had his men steal back the profits, and then casually burns them before Lale’s eyes, making a point that whatever she chose she couldn’t beat him and that the profits she was willing to risk her families lives for are just a drop in ocean to his vast empire, and that by working for him she can have access to power and wealth well beyond anything she can accomplish as his enemy.
- Combat Pragmatist: Despite being a very capable fighter in his own right, in every occasions that Sean gets in a physical confrontation he does not fight fair, be it shooting opponents in the back, setting ambushes and traps or using whatever he has to hand to give him an extra advantage. In the season two final, during his big confrontation with Eliot, one of Sean's first tactics is throw petrol into Eliot's eyes and then use blitzkrieg tactics of striking them withdrawing to wear him down whilst he's partially blinded (granted Eliot was armed at the time whilst he wasn't).
- The Don: Inherits the position as head of the most powerful crime organisation in London following the death of his father, despite this it’s clear to the more experienced gangsters he’s to impulsive and inexperienced to a long-term leader, but the Wallace organisation simply makes him to powerful to act against. Following losing it all, a much more experienced Sean manages to reconquer London and sets himself up in a partnership with Koba in season two. Although it only lasts a short while before his arrest at the end of season two puts an end to it again.
- Even Evil Has Standards:
- Despite his many brutal acts Sean grows increasingly more uncomfortable with his mother continual and ineffectual torture of a Danish mercenary. To the point Sean finally ends up releasing her (though Miriam still shoots her dead).
- Over the course of season one Sean slowly becomes more and more disillusioned by the Gangster lifestyle. It hits its nadir in the penultimate episode of season one when the family is forced to shelter in an abandoned apartment building that forcibly Wallace Industries bought up. Dealing with the fact his father and himself forced who knows how many innocent people out of their homes just to launder money, Sean loses it and calls his mother out for every self-serving lie he’s heard his entire life.
- Subverted in season two, when Sean has become far more single minded on regaining his former power and discards his former standards. Multiple times throughout the season Sean encounters a situation that clearly makes him uncomfortable, but each time he chooses to press forwards. Examples include him murdering his father’s unarmed mistress the second she becomes a threat to his alliance with the Kurds, betraying his lover and closet ally Lale to be tortured to death by the brutal Asif and agreeing to support a French kingpins human trafficking operation to secure a crucial drug deal.
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Sean’s biggest redeeming factor is that he sincerely loves his family above all else. Even upon becoming more ruthless and selfish in season two, Sean makes it clear that his family will still always come first before everything.
- Face Death with Dignity: In season two final, being hanged to death by Eliot, despite being seconds away from choking to death Sean manages to remain surprisingly calm and uses what he believes to be his last words to mock Eliot, talking about his proud his father would be at the man he’s become.
- Faux Affably Evil: Zigzagged. Sean is by nature not especially cruel or vicious, with him taking no pleasure from his criminal activities unlike some of his counterparts and often strives for pragmatism. However, he is an utterly ruthless man who will go to almost any length for himself, as well as having a vicious temper that results in explosive acts of brutality (including some flat out pointless ones). Despite this he rarely raises his voice and is usually chillingly polite to everyone he talks to be they friend or foe.
- Frontline General: During assaults such as on the Travelers Camp and on taking London back in season two, Sean always personally leads the fighting from the front, with him usually personally killing numerous opponents singlehandedly. He is increasingly forced to this in the second half of season one, due to the Danish wiping out most of the Wallace’s muscle.
- Genius Bruiser: Whilst he rarely gets into flat out brawls, Sean is one of the strongest fighters in the show. In the final conflict in season two, Sean becomes one of only two characters in the entire show to go toe to toe and even come within a hair’s width of beating Eliot, to the point he would have won if he hadn’t gotten cocky at the last second (granted Eliot had been weakened before the fight). Likewise, despite initial appearances Sean proves himself to be a highly capable strategist and an exceptionally cunning opponent.
- A Lighter Shade of Black: Zigzagged in season two. Whilst a ruthless and murderous criminal in his own right, Sean initially comes across as this in his war against the utterly ruthless Investors and the sadistic Koba. With Sean ensuring to present himself in the hopes of gaining the support of the other gangs to drive them out of London. However, when it becomes clear it’s not enough, Sean instead changes tactics and teams up with Koba, betraying and bringing down the Investors together, and proves just how ruthless he really is willing to be take back his crown, with him even reluctantly selling out his closest ally for a drug deal. Nevertheless, in the final Sean finally cements he is still a better person than Koba when he chooses his brother over power.
- Manipulative Bastard: In season two, following his experiences in the Singer’s prison, Sean proves to have gained some skills in this department. He effortlessly convinces Singer to release him and empower his campaign to take London back, by convincing him he can drive the Investors out of London. In the final, he plays Koba like a cheap fiddle, fully convincing him that he can trust him whilst secretly planning to kill Koba to save Billy.
- Rank Scales with Asskicking: The head of the Wallace Organisation from the start it’s made clear that Sean is a highly capable fighter. However, its only after he loses everything and must work to get it back, he truly learns how to fight smart. With his initial attacks to retake London and weaken Koba involving numerous strategic attacks successfully wiping out numerous gangsters.
- Scars Are Forever: Throughout season two, Sean has a prominent scar on his cheek where the bullet Eliot shot him with nearly killed him.
- Smarter Than They Look: At first it initially seems that Sean is just an inexperienced thug who is driven by his emotions and his only response to situations is violence. However, over the course of the first season it becomes clear that when Sean takes time to think and plan, he is brilliant tactician and a lot more aware than people give him credit for being. Its best demonstrated in season two, where he manages to go from nothing trapped in a off the books prison to taking down the Investors and taking back London.
- The Stoic: A curious example as Sean is otherwise quite passionate and emotional. But having been forced into violent crimes since childhood Sean can inflict horrific amounts of brutality without reaction, as demonstrated in his first appearance where he burns a teenager alive. Come season two and this has evolved in Sean’s default, with him spending most of his appearances calm and seemingly emotionless. Its implied he’s deliberately invoking this to a degree to induce confidence in his followers, as he’s slightly more vulnerable and open when alone with either Billy, Lale or Miriam.
- Tragic Villain: Sean is a vicious gangster who will go to nearly anything length to ensure his own power. However, it made clear that he is very much the product of his upbringing with his parents forcing him into crime and murder from a young age. Throughout the series it is shown that Sean overall takes no pleasure from his brutal acts and is overall burnt out, with him desperately trying to hold onto his few meaningful relationships as his actions cause them to they slip further through his fingers. It’s made clear that even if he succeeds in maintaining his power, it won’t bring him any real sense of happiness or fulfilment, but having been brought up in violence and crime his whole life, Sean simply doesn’t know how live any other sort of way.
- Took a Level in Badass: After spending several months trapped in an off the books prison, slowly recovering from nearly being shot dead, Sean learns some important perspective and manages to gain more control of his emotions, focusing on being more strategic going forwards. This allows him to use all his skills to their full capacity, with him manipulating his way out of the prison and waging a war to take back London.
- Took a Level in Jerkass: The other side of Sean’s return to power in season two. Despite already being a ruthless man and a mass murderer, during season one most of Sean’s crimes were done out of emotional lashing out or the desire to protect his family, with him slowly growing more disillusioned with the gangster lifestyle. Come season two, him losing everything causes him to grow more obsessed with regaining his former empire and power, thus upon coming back Sean is much colder blooded and ruthless with him unhesitant murdering unarmed opponents and teaming up with the sadistic Koba to rule London.
- Underestimating Badassery: Sean has a habit of inspiring this within people:
- During the first season, whilst right that he isn't a fitting successor for Finn, most of the other gangsters dismiss Sean as nothing more than a child playing with his daddy’s tools. Noticeably Ed attempts to accomplish several key pieces of business without looping Sean in. However, Sean proves to be far more ruthless and aware than any of them were expecting, often throwing their carefully made plans into disarray with his unforeseen actions.
- In the second half of season one, Jevan, Ed and by extension the Investors clearly believe Sean is done and a minor threat to dealt with in time, as they’ve wiped out most of his men, sent his family on the run and taken his infrastructure. They are all utterly blindsided when Sean manages to successfully steal millions from the Investors and then flat out blows up the latest Wallace skyscraper, risking putting all their dirty deeds out in the open for all to see.
- In season two, Joseph Singer is convinced that he’s running the show, and that Sean is merely a useful pawn he can use to drive the Investors out of London and then deal with in his leisure. Sean had been playing Joseph all along to ensure his return to power and once he no longer needs him, casually has him assassinated.
- Unholy Matrimony: Over the course of their interactions, it becomes clear there is an attraction between Sean and Lale, the leader of the Kurds. They finally act on their feelings in the season one final and sleep together. Following returning to retake London the two become lovers, although they keep it secret and act professional in front of Lale’s men so no one believes her judgement is compromised. This carries on until Sean reluctantly agrees to betray her to Asif to secure his drug infrastructure for his and Koba's new empire.
- Villainous Friendship: After his direct family, the one person that Sean is easily the closest to is Alex. Having grown up together Sean makes it clear that he considers Alex part of his family. And even after Alex is forced to turn on him by the Investors, Sean nearly manages to talk Alex into joining him in his efforts to take them down in the season one final. Despite the betrayal its clear Alex still meant a lot to Sean, as he’s visibly saddened upon reading the headlines reporting Alex’s death.
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@ EmperorGeode
- The Ultimates (2015): The First Firmament is the egoistical personification of the very first universe. He created the Aspirants to worship him, until some of them rebeled and became the Calestials, leading to a war which shattered the Firmament's essence and created the first Multiverse. The First Firmament went into hiding and plotted his revenge, determined to once again become all there is. After the birth of the Eight Cosmos, the First Firmament captures Eternity and starts draining his powers while having the Aspirants infiltrate the Multiverse and spread his corruption, causing countless worlds to be destroyed. He manipulates Master Order and Lord Chaos into killing the Living Tribunal and combining into Logos, using him to kill the Calestials and infect Galactus with a hunger that would cause him to devour all space and time. When his plot to absorb the Multiverse fails and (superfluous word - cut) Eternity is freed, the First Firmament decides to just kill him amd destroy the Multiverse.
- In Dragon Ball, it is eventually revealed that the series Big Eater Idiot Hero Son Goku is this when a Wham Episode reveals he is an alien.
Magneto
- Affably Evil: Magneto believes that humans and mutants cannot coexist peacefully and is prepared to go to any lengths to ensure mutants survive. When not carrying out an evil plot, he is a pleasant man who treats Xavier and the X-Men as friends.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: Magneto dominates the X-Men in their first two encounters. They only survive the first because he lets them live, and he is only stopped in the second because of a Mind Rape from Xavier.
- Drama-Preserving Handicap: Magneto is Brought Down to Normal while he and Xavier are trapped in the Savage Land thanks to Mr. Sinister's Power Nullifier. This keeps Magneto single handedly defeating Sinister and the Nasty Boys like he previously did to the X-Men.
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Magneto still considers Xavier a friend despite their differing views. When asked if he loves Xavier, he takes offense that someone would even feel the need to ask such a question.
- Even Evil Has Standards: Magneto keeps an arsenal of nuclear missiles on his asteroid base but only keeps them as a weapon to deter aggression. He does not approve of Cortez firing them without provocation.
- Friendly Enemy: While Magneto and Xavier have opposite stances on whether or not humanity can coexist with mutants, they still treat each other as friends when not fighting.
Apocalypse
- Ancient Evil: Apocalypse is so old nobody but he knows where he came from. He has wreaked havoc throughout history, with accounts of his attacks dating back to ancient Egypt, and he also boasts of having terrorized the Babylonians.
- Diabolus ex Nihilo: Apocalypse has no backstory or even a hint about his origin. The most that is learned about is that he is an Ancient Evil who is implied to be the embodiment of evil itself.
- Invincible Villain: Apocalypse is impervious to any known form of attack. The X-Men can thwart his plans but never defeat him. His battles with Cable in the future indicate the Apocalypse will outlive the X-Men and continue to plague humans and mutants alike for centuries.
- The Juggernaut: Apocalypse flattens the X-Men whenever they face him. Even centuries into the future, nobody has found a way to destroy him.
- Large Ham: Oh yes. Apocalypse is an egomaniac who fancies himself the supreme being in existence and lets that ooze into his dialogue while he chews the scenery.
- No-Sell: Nothing physically harms Apocalypse. Not even Wolverine's claws hurt him.
- Small Name, Big Ego: Apocalypse is undeniably badass and a genius. Even considering that his arrogance still outstrips his ability. He sees himself as the pinnacle of all creation and feels the entire world should be torn down and rebuilt in his image.
Juggernaut
- The Juggernaut: In his debut, he destroys tanks, defeats Colossus, shrugs off Storm dropping a building on him, and even Rogue's energy draining power doesn't affect him because Juggernaut has too much power for her to handle. After Jubilee mistakenly assumes getting a building dropped on Juggernaut killed him, Storm explains she knew that wouldn't work because nothing the X-Men know of can kill him. One would expect nothing less from the Trope Namer.
- The Worf Effect: While Juggernaut initially appears unstoppable to anything short of a psychic attack, he is flattened by Gladiator to demonstrate how strong the alien is, and by extension, the danger of the Shi'ar.
- Bait-and-Switch: Raimundo has doubts about ruling the world, and when Wuya talks about how he thought he was going to get everything he wanted, it implies she is going to pull a You Have Out Lived Your Usefulness: Instead, she creates a room full of video games for him to play with.
- Pet the Dog: Wuya rewards Raimundo for assisting her with no strings attached.
Xiaolin Showdown "Citadel of Doom"
- Evil Cannot Comprehend Good: Wuya assumes that she has earned Raimundo's loyalty by giving him material possessions, not realizing that his friends are what he truly desires.
Xiaolin Showdown The Crystal Glasses
- Dumb Muscle: Vlad is so strong that wearing the Two Ton Tunic doesn't slow him down. And he is dumb enough to ruin Jack's clever plan by explaining how he tricked Omi.
- Godzilla Threshold: Master Fung says the Crystal Glasses are too dangerous to use under most circumstances. Raimound wanting to use them to find Omi is a rare exception since nobody knows where to find him.
- Hypocrite Has a Point: Jack tells Vlad to stop gloating, saying he isn't “paid to gloat.” Jack indulges in Evil Gloating himself, but he is right that Vlad gloating is a mistake since he explains how he tricked Omi for no good reason.
- Manipulative Bastard: Jack pulls off a surprisingly clever plan where Vlad pretends to be a hero to infiltrate the Xiaolin Temple, get Omi to use the Crystal Glasses, and then trick Omi into seeing the opposite of the future by using the Reversing Mirror on them. The plan sends Omi into a Heroic BSoD that he only gets out of because Vlad gloats about the plan for no good reason.
- Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!: For no good reason, Vlad explains how he tricked Omi into thinking he is destined to turn evil. This causes Omi to snap out of his Heroic BSoD.
Edited by FateStayWho on Jan 1st 2024 at 7:53:49 AM
@Alpinist
...so I can help daddy shoot the bad grimps and that nasty Mister Umoo". <- quote mark, <- period
...making it possible that the discovery could end world hunger.
...and an eighteen-year-old from Chicago who's "matured ten years" in...
Director Takashi Yamazaki has called Dr. Noda and Captain Hotta are his...
...throughout all four books, <- comma but...the Duchannces family.
Girly Girl with a Tomboy Streak seven-year-old...However, many of the readers...
Thanks Arivne. One quick addition I thought wrongly I’d get in before you got that far editing:
- Alternate Character Interpretation: It can sometimes be hard to tell if some of the more ruthless statements and actions of prisoners like Capone and Willy One-Arm are because they need to put on a show of ruthlessness for fellow inmates or if, their nicer moments are merely putting on a show for the protagonists, or if they are capable of both genuine cruelty and niceness.
Edited by Alpinist on Jan 1st 2024 at 9:56:51 AM
Apocalypse is so old, <- comma nobody but he knows where he came from.
The most that is learned about him is that he is...
His battles with Cable in the future indicate he will outlive...
Nothing physically harms Apocalypse, <- comma not even Wolverine's claws hurt him.
Apocalypse is undeniably badass and a genius, <- comma even considering...
...doesn't affect him because he has too much power for her to handle.
...Vlad pretends to...Temple, gets Omi to...and then tricks Omi into...Reversing Mirror on him.
Plus, a second quick last minute post.
- Watched It for the Representation: A lot of readers are drawn in by the nuanced and realistic autistic character Natalie, and her life in a society that doesn't yet understand autism very well.
- Once Original, Now Common: While the film's Celtic folklore-inspired art style and animation were considered to be incredibly unique and refreshing at the time since there were few like it, nowadays, it don't stick out as much as they did when it was first released thanks to Cartoon Saloon's later work, such as Song of the Sea and Wolfwalkers, which would refine and build upon the look and feel established by Kells. Because of how improved the later films are, it's also easier to spot this film's rough patches in hindsight, like its short length and underdeveloped characters.
YMMV.Trash Taste:
- Americans Hate Tingle: Ironically, despite the podcast being located in Japan and being about Japanese culture, it is not very popular amongst native Japanese audiences. As Japan-centric Youtubers like The Japan Reporter
and Japanese Man Yuta
explain in their videos covering this, it primarily comes down to Values Dissonance, as the boys' loud, harsh and crass style does not translate well to Japanese sensibilities, who prefer to be more reserved and polite, with a great emphasis on not standing out. It doesn't help that the boys tend to be critical of Japan and Japanese culture (though they are positive on it too), which has struck a nerve with some Japanese viewers since they're considered "gaijin" (foreigners),note who they feel have no right to speak on Japan's internal issues. This has unfortunately led to the boys getting racist comments from Japanese commentators.
Trivia.Super Mario Bros Wonder:
- What Could Have Been:
- According to Takashi Tezuka
, the team originally wanted to incorporate the egg throwing mechanics from Yoshi's Island into Yoshi's moveset in the game. While a prototype was made, it was cut due to it being too hard to control.
- Composer Koji Kondo pitched a Wonder Flower effect
that would've had Mario turn into a giant live-action version of himself who would hum to the background music and say "boing" when jumping. Probably not too surprising, this was considered to be too bizarre even by the standards of this game, and was rejected.
- According to Takashi Tezuka
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Jan 2nd 2024 at 1:22:26 PM
@Arivne got it, thanks.
- In Dragon Ball, it is eventually revealed that the series Big Eater Idiot Hero Son Goku is this when a Wham Episode reveals he is an alien.
Magneto
- Affably Evil: Magneto believes that humans and mutants cannot coexist peacefully and is prepared to go to any lengths to ensure mutants survive. When not carrying out an evil plot, he is a pleasant man who treats Xavier and the X-Men as friends.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: Magneto dominates the X-Men in their first two encounters. They only survive the first because he lets them live, and he is only stopped in the second because of a Mind Rape from Xavier.
- Drama-Preserving Handicap: Magneto is Brought Down to Normal while he and Xavier are trapped in the Savage Land thanks to Mr. Sinister's Power Nullifier. This keeps Magneto single handedly defeating Sinister and the Nasty Boys like he previously did to the X-Men.
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Magneto still considers Xavier a friend despite their differing views. When asked if he loves Xavier, he takes offense that someone would even feel the need to ask such a question.
- Even Evil Has Standards: Magneto keeps an arsenal of nuclear missiles on his asteroid base but only keeps them as a weapon to deter aggression. He does not approve of Cortez firing them without provocation.
- Friendly Enemy: While Magneto and Xavier have opposite stances on whether or not humanity can coexist with mutants, they still treat each other as friends when not fighting.
Apocalypse
- Ancient Evil: Apocalypse is so old that nobody but he knows where he came from. He has wreaked havoc throughout history, with accounts of his attacks dating back to ancient Egypt, and he also boasts of having terrorized the Babylonians.
- Diabolus ex Nihilo: Apocalypse has no backstory or even a hint about his origin. The most that is learned about him is that he is an Ancient Evil who is implied to be the embodiment of evil itself.
- Invincible Villain: Apocalypse is impervious to any known form of attack. The X-Men can thwart his plans but never defeat him. His battles with Cable in the future indicate he will outlive the X-Men and continue to plague humans and mutants alike for centuries.
- The Juggernaut: Apocalypse flattens the X-Men whenever they face him. Even centuries into the future, nobody has found a way to destroy him.
- Large Ham: Oh yes. Apocalypse is an egomaniac who fancies himself the supreme being in existence and lets that ooze into his dialogue while he chews the scenery.
- No-Sell: Nothing physically harms Apocalypse, not even Wolverine's claws.
- Small Name, Big Ego: Apocalypse is undeniably badass and a genius, even considering that his arrogance still outstrips his ability. He sees himself as the pinnacle of all creation and feels the entire world should be torn down and rebuilt in his image.
Juggernaut
- The Juggernaut: In his debut, he destroys tanks, defeats Colossus, shrugs off Storm dropping a building on him, and even Rogue's energy draining power doesn't affect him because he has too much power for her to handle. After Jubilee mistakenly assumes getting a building dropped on Juggernaut killed him, Storm explains she knew that wouldn't work because nothing the X-Men know of can kill him. One would expect nothing less from the Trope Namer.
- The Worf Effect: While Juggernaut initially appears unstoppable to anything short of a psychic attack, he is flattened by Gladiator to demonstrate how strong the alien is, and by extension, the danger of the Shi'ar.
- Bait-and-Switch: Raimundo has doubts about ruling the world, and when Wuya talks about how he thought he was going to get everything he wanted, it implies she is going to pull a You Have Out Lived Your Usefulness: Instead, she creates a room full of video games for him to play with.
- Pet the Dog: Wuya rewards Raimundo for assisting her with no strings attached.
Xiaolin Showdown "Citadel of Doom"
- Evil Cannot Comprehend Good: Wuya assumes that she has earned Raimundo's loyalty by giving him material possessions, not realizing that his friends are what he truly desires.
Xiaolin Showdown The Crystal Glasses
- Dumb Muscle: Vlad is so strong that wearing the Two Ton Tunic doesn't slow him down. And he is dumb enough to ruin Jack's clever plan by explaining how he tricked Omi.
- Godzilla Threshold: Master Fung says the Crystal Glasses are too dangerous to use under most circumstances. Raimound wanting to use them to find Omi is a rare exception since nobody knows where to find him.
- Hypocrite Has a Point: Jack tells Vlad to stop gloating, saying he isn't “paid to gloat.” Jack indulges in Evil Gloating himself, but he is right that Vlad gloating is a mistake since he explains how he tricked Omi for no good reason.
- Manipulative Bastard: Jack pulls off a surprisingly clever plan where Vlad pretends to be a hero to infiltrate the Xiaolin Temple, gets Omi to use the Crystal Glasses, and then tricks Omi into seeing the opposite of the future by using the Reversing Mirror on the glasses. The plan sends Omi into a Heroic BSoD that he only gets out of because Vlad gloats about the plan for no good reason.
- Nice Job Fixing It, Villain!: For no good reason, Vlad explains how he tricked Omi into thinking he is destined to turn evil. This causes Omi to snap out of his Heroic BSoD.

I am about to add a trope in the Bigger Than Cheeses series trope page, but I need to know if the grammar in the trope I have written below is okay.