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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Alpinist Since: Jul, 2023
#27451: Dec 7th 2023 at 10:34:07 AM

Also have a couple of Batman entries starting to flood my mind now. Sorry.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27452: Dec 7th 2023 at 10:36:39 AM

Page 1098 @Alpinist

There don't appear to be any English errors in that example.

Edited by Arivne on Dec 7th 2023 at 10:37:03 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27453: Dec 7th 2023 at 10:44:34 AM

Centurii-chan

Tylerbear12 What you see is what you get, just a guy. from The Green Hills. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
What you see is what you get, just a guy.
#27454: Dec 7th 2023 at 11:08:33 AM

WesternAnimation.Hilda:

  • Loophole Abuse: In "The Laughing Merman", the kids make a deal with Eugene to ensure that if he can't make them laugh within the next five minutes, then he would have to set them free. While they seem to fail the challenge by laughing at Louise's fart costume, David points out to Eugene that he didn't make them all laugh since Louise didn't find it funny, meaning they technically won. While Eugene is seemingly accepting of this, he quickly invokes this and only sets Louise free, since the deal never said he needed to make them all laugh, which the others duly noted.

  • Art Evolution: Subtle, but it's there in season 3. While the overall art style is the same, the shading and lighting has become a lot better and more advanced than in the first two seasons.

Characters.Hilda:

(Louise)

Louise is a quiet and introverted kid who keeps to herself, but she is also highly observant.


  • The Sixth Ranger: She becomes the fourth member of Hilda's friend group at the end of "The Laughing Merman", turning the "Freaky Friends" into the "Freaky Four".

  • The Quiet One: She is incredibly introverted and quiet, so much so that Hilda and her friends didn't recognize her and thought that she was a new member of the Sparrow Scouts at first, even though, she had been around for a year. This has its advantages, though, as her tendency to be quiet and on the sidelines means she is incredibly observant and able to see things the others don't, which proves vital to outwitting Eugene.

  • Hidden Depths: While her quiet demeanor may suggest otherwise, it's revealed at the end of "The Laughing Merman" that she deliberately hid the map because she wanted to go on a wild adventure with Hilda and co., suggesting she has the same drive and love for adventure that Hilda shares.

(Anders)

Hilda's Missing Dad. He is an explorer who likes to travel around the world. However, because of his drive for adventure, he is rarely present in Hilda's life. Despite this, he still cares for her greatly.


  • Missing Dad: He is rarely present in Hilda's life, to the point that he has gone unacknowledged in the first two seasons, with the only allusion to his existence being in The Mountain King, in which Hilda briefly asks Trylla if she has a troll and then being disappointed when she replies no, and a comment from Luke Pearson stating that "he was not in Hilda's life at the time". His absence from Hilda's life would finally be addressed in Season 3's "The Job", where it's explained that it's because of his constant traveling and adventuring.
  • Parents as People: He truly loves his daughter and he partly came back to Trolberg to be with her again, but his constant drive for adventure means he is often not present in her life, something that Hilda takes hard.
  • Like Father Like Daughter: It's made abundantly clear that Hilda inherited her love of exploring and adventure from him, given that he is an explorer who likes traveling around the world.
  • Unseen No More: After going unacknowledged in the past two seasons, he finally makes a proper appearance in season 3.

YMMV.Hilda:

  • I Knew It!: On the season 3 poster, many fans have noticed that one of the locations bears a striking resemblance to the place Victoria Van Gale ended up in at the end of "The Windmill", leading many to theorize that she'll play a role in some form. They were correct, as the strange radio frequencies in "Strange Frequencies" are revealed to be her voice and she reappears in person in "The Fairy Isle"

  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Despite Louise becoming the fourth member of Hilda's friend group at the end of "The Laughing Merman" and being a potentially interesting character in her own right, acting as a quiet but observant member who shares Hilda's love of danger and adventure and actively wants to participate in them (unlike the more passive Frida and David), Louise is dropped after "The Laughing Merman", with her only other appearance being a cameo in "The Forever Lake". Unfortunately, given that she had the poor luck of appearing in the final season, she is unlikely to see much use anytime soon.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Dec 8th 2023 at 12:22:58 PM

N2002 Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Singularity
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
WileK209 Since: Jun, 2009
Alpinist Since: Jul, 2023
#27458: Dec 7th 2023 at 3:55:01 PM

I will stop promising to sign off when I’m not sure of the exact date but tomorrow or one day in the near future there will be a day I just stop posting without warning and that will be my way of saying goodbye. If tropes do drag me back the same will apply in the future and at really long lost will be me trying to get finished within the next 1-3 days (successfully or not).

@ Serge Storms

  • A conversation with snowbirds will make Serge spend a winter somewhere colder like New York, Minnesota, Wyoming, or the Dakotas to understand better why people come to Florida in the winter beyond a simple love for the state like he has.

@ Batman: Supporting Cast

  • Demoted to Extra: Harold appears in just a single issue of The New 52 timeline, where he still acts as a mechanic for Batman but lives outside of the Batcave.

    Harvey Harris 

First Appearance: Detective Comics #226 (December, 1955)

"First you’ll learn that detective work is no light-hearted game, but a life of hard work, of loneliness…and of danger."
A detective under whom Bruce studied as a teenager, he is a GCPD detective on Earth One and a Private Detective from Huntsville, Alabama on New Earth.
  • Alliterative Name: Harvey and Harris both begin with an H.
  • Batman Gambit: Pre-Crisis, he pulls such a gambit on the future Batman by having him dial a list of phone numbers for a case and slipping the names of several families he suspects his masked new apprentice may belong to onto the list. He watches Bruce dial each number and picks up on how he is able to call Wayne Manor without pausing to read the number, meaning he already knows it.
  • Genius Bruiser: His deductive abilities don't keep him from being a quick-fisted brawler (and a decent gunman) when the situation calls for it.
  • Great Detective: He is a famous and intelligent detective who commands respect, gets results, and sees through the disguise Bruce uses to apprentice under him in both continuities.
  • Mentor Occupational Hazard: He imparts valuable lessons to Bruce in multiple continuities, and while he lives to die of natural causes Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis, he is mortally wounded as they fight a killer together.
  • Married to the Job: He has little life outside of detective work.
  • Nice Guy: He is usually considerate and/or friendly toward everyone but bullies, bigots, and crooks.
  • One-Steve Limit: He has the same first name as Two-Face.
  • Respected by the Respected: Even after Batman achieves the "World's Greatest Detective" title as an adult, he still considers Harvey his superior.
  • Secret Secret-Keeper: Only at the end of his life does he reveal that he knew his mysterious young student was Bruce Wayne (and, Pre-Crisis, that he knew Bruce grew up to be Batman).
  • Small Role, Big Impact: His appearances in any continuity as of 2023 can be counted on one hand, but he helped make Bruce a Great Detective (even if he learned about man hunting from other mentors like Henri Ducard) and, Pre-Crisis, is the one who came up with the name Robin when Bruce used the costume during their association.
  • Trickster Mentor: Post-Crisis, he reveals that Bruce is already a brilliant detective without needing help from him and what Harvey has really been doing throughout their association is helping him improve his discipline and deal with his emotions.

    Sergei Alexandrov 

First Appearance: Batman Vol 2 #22 (September, 2013)

"Impossible, eh? That is why you sought me out, no? To learn the impossible. And yet, you are so wrapped up in the outcome, in your planning…you are inflexible. You do not allow yourself to make new connections. You do not allow the impossible."
A Gadgeteer Genius who Bruce studied under while preparing to become Batman and who later trained other members of the Bat-Family and provided them other aid on at least one occasion in the following decades.
  • Adventurer Outfit: He travels worldwide for his work and training projects and often wears a pith helmet.
  • Gadgeteer Genius: He is a brilliant inventor whose accomplishments include a swarm of nanobots and prosthetic limbs for his beloved pet monkey.
  • Red Herring: In Batman Eternal, the heroes wonder if he has turned villain when his nanobots are linked to a crime, but it turns out the design was stolen from him.
  • Renowned Selective Mentor: Eager youths must prove themselves capable of quite a bit before he gives them a chance to enter his Sink-or-Swim Mentor tutelage.
  • Sharp-Dressed Man: He will always be wearing something stylish and expensive.
  • Sink-or-Swim Mentor: He locks Bruce beneath the Great Sphinx of Giza and gives him devices that he can use to get out if he has been learning the right lessons from Sergei. He probably would have let Bruce out eventually if he hadn't been able to get out himself, but indicates that he wouldn't have bothered to continue training him afterward.
  • Unscrupulous Hero: He is a former KGB operative who subjects Bruce (and later his sidekicks) to dangerous Sink-or-Swim Mentor tactics to test or develop their potential, but he avoids using his skills for evil, is pleased when his pupils reach a new level of understanding, and dotes on his pet monkey.

    Uncle Phillip 

Phillip Wayne/Kane

First Appearance: Batman #208 (February, 1969)

"You don't approve of what I've done with the company?"

Bruce's uncle and legal guardian after his parents died. Whether he is Thomas or Martha's brother depends on the continuity.


  • Ascended Extra: In each issue of Batman: Zero Year that features him, he appears in at least three times as many panels as he did in all of his pre-New 52 appearances combined.
  • Everyone Has Standards: On Prime Earth, he makes weapons at Wayne Enterprises and is coerced into being a Mook for a gang leader, but he puts more resources behind the divisions, making non-lethal ones.
  • Married to the Job: Pre-Prime Earth, he travels a lot for work and doesn't stop this after Bruce is placed in his care, leaving a lot of Bruce's upbringing to Alfred and a housekeeper (although he does say goodnight to his nephew and ask how he's doing whenever he is home). On Prime Earth, he interacts even less with Bruce until his nephew is an adult, and Bruce left home before getting to know him much.
  • Practically Different Generations: Pre-Prime Earth, he is already a white-haired man when Bruce is orphaned, even though his brother Thomas was apparently in early middle age or younger when he died. Averted on Prime Earth, where he is a lot closer to Matha in age.
  • Tangled Family Tree: It is unclear if he is meant to be the father of Van Wayne, Bruce's cousin in a couple of continuities, as no other siblings or cousins of Thomas are mentioned in those continuities, but he doesn't act like he has a son or has ever been married in flashbacks with him and a young Bruce.
  • Tragic Dream: On Prime Earth, he wanted to be an archaeologist when he was young before business responsibilities took him away from that, and he ended up a forced pawn of criminals.
  • What Happened to the Mouse?: He is murdered when Bruce is young on Prime Earth, but in other continuities, the last time he is shown is when he congratulates Bruce as he graduates from college.

@ Batman

  • Great Detective Harvey Harris and Gadgeteer Genius Sergei Alexandrov are often considered to be two of Batman's most interesting and underused mentors despite their less than ten combined appearances (as of 2023).

@ Two Can Keep A Secret

@ Don't Care High Ditzy Genius

  • Mike Otis is a recluse who is unperturbed and uncurious about bizarre things like people doing his projects for him, nominating him to be class president, or crediting him with various stuff he has no idea about. But he is a brilliant mechanic who invented a new car model on his own.
Paul: Mike, do you have any idea how great an achievement it is to make a working car out of nothing?
Mike: Probably not.

@ Psych

@ National Lampoon's Vacation He also refuses his wife's demands to punch Clark over their disagreements despite earlier hoping that he'd fall off his ladder while hanging Christmas lights.

@ National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation

  • Rusty briefly looks as excited as his father when Clark first picks their Christmas tree.
  • Clark's parents are seen rubbing heads affectionately at dinner as a cute background event.
  • Both sets of grandparents are happy to see Rocky and Ruby-Sue and enjoy spending time with them despite only one of the four being a blood relative of the two kids.
  • The friendship between Clark and his coworker Bill seems surprisingly respectful and drama-free, given how unlucky Clark usually is.

@ @ National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation

  • The title has some Exact Words, as the movie is about a "Christmas Vacation" and, despite the buildup to Christmas itself, actually ends late on Christmas Eve, making it perhaps the most iconic Christmas movie not to feature Christmas itself.

@ Letters from Cicely

  • The stern letter that Holling and Joel compose to warn off a conman who is trying to sue Holling is surprisingly eloquent on Holling's part and surprisingly forceful on Joel's.

Edited by Alpinist on Dec 8th 2023 at 10:42:06 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#27459: Dec 7th 2023 at 6:08:17 PM

For YMMV.Hacks:

  • Shipping: Most of the fandom ships Deborah and Ava together, due to their chemistry and the fact their dynamic is the focus of the show. It doesn't hurt that Ava has a sex dream about Deborah at one.

Any corrections?

Edited by Bullman on Dec 7th 2023 at 8:27:11 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#27460: Dec 7th 2023 at 6:39:53 PM

VideoGame.Tokyo Xanadu

  • Hufflepuff House: The Church of the Holy Spirit and their subsidiary, the Kronos Orden, is stated to the “third pillar” of the Underground along with Nemesis and Zodiac. While one of your part members (Jun) is revealed to be a member who is involved with certain events and their is name is mentioned when discussing certain concepts, they mostly stay in the background.

She/Her | Currently cleaning: N/A
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#27461: Dec 7th 2023 at 11:30:46 PM

I got some more trope entries ready for spelling and grammar checking.

  • Big Bad: Isaac is the closest thing Part II has to a main antagonist since he’s the one who sends Abby and her crew to kill Joel, thus kickstarting the whole plot when Ellie travels to Seattle to dismantle the WFT for their role in Joel’s death. He would eventually become a villain in Abby’s story when she chooses to protect Lev from Isaac where the WFT deems Abby a traitor and spends their time hunting down Abby to avenge Isaac’s death.
  • Big Bad Ensemble: Isaac and Ellie are this for Abby's story, with Isaac being Abby's boss who turns on her when Abby tries protecting Lev from him, Ellie travels to Seattle to kill Abby and her allies for their role in killing Joel.
  • Disc-One Final Boss: Isaac may be the closeting thing Part II has to a Big Bad, but he gets killed two-thirds into Abby story and doesn’t even get to meet Ellie. The final enemies that both Abby and Ellie must face after Isaac’s death are the remnants of the Sepherites and WFT, the Rattlers, and eventually each other.
  • It's Personal with the Dragon: While Abby is only Isaac’s right-hand woman, she the one who becomes Abby’s Arch-Enemy after she killed Joel, while Ellie has never met Isaac or even know who he is, thus she doesn’t have any personal connection with him.
  • Eviler than Thou: Despite being portray as A Lighter Shade of Black throughout the reboot, Bowie eventually pulls one on Julia by orchestrating her elimination in “Caved By The Bell”.

Edited by G-Editor on Dec 8th 2023 at 12:00:16 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27462: Dec 8th 2023 at 7:53:33 AM

[up] @kawaiineko333

Centurii hates the Mariah Carey song <- no comma "All...has Centurii about to shoot either herself or Mariah.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27463: Dec 8th 2023 at 8:02:42 AM

[up] @Tylerbear 12

...the shading and lighting has become a lot better than in the first two seasons.

This has its advantages, <- comma though, as...

...otherwise, it's revealed...Hilda and co., suggesting...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27464: Dec 8th 2023 at 8:15:43 AM

[up] @Alpinist

     Corrections 

...whose accomplishments include a swarm of nanobots and prosthetic limbs for his beloved pet monkey.

^ The way this was written, you said that the swarm of nanobots had prosthetic limbs.

...to dangerous Sink-or-Swim Mentor tactics to test or develop their potential...

Mike, do you have any idea how great an achievement it is to make a working car out of nothing? <- question mark

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27465: Dec 8th 2023 at 8:18:21 AM

[up] @Bullman

...and the fact that their dynamic is the focus of the show. It doesn't hurt that Ava has a sex dream about Deborah at one <missing text>.

^ Ava has a sex dream about Deborah at one what?

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27466: Dec 8th 2023 at 8:20:01 AM

[up] @Ayumi-chan

...and their is name is mentioned...

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#27467: Dec 8th 2023 at 8:26:47 AM

[up] @G-Editor

     Corrections 

...protect Lev from Isaac and the WFT deems Abby a traitor and spends their time hunting her down Abby to avenge Isaac’s death.

...with Isaac being Abby's boss who turns on her when Abby tries protecting Lev from him <- no comma and Ellie traveling to Seattle...

Isaac may be the closest thing Part II has to a Big Bad, but he gets killed two-thirds into Abby's story...

...she is the one who becomes Abby’s Arch-Enemy after she kills Joel, while Ellie has never met Isaac or even knows who...

Despite being portrayed as...

Edited by Arivne on Dec 8th 2023 at 8:27:36 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27468: Dec 8th 2023 at 9:38:08 AM

I have a few tropes for an upcoming page. TMNT vs street fighter.

  • Alternate Continuity: The comic is set after the Armageddon game storyline of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (IDW) comic but is non canon due to a few discrepancies in continuty such as Shredder still being evil while he had undergone a Heel–Face Turn at this point in the comics.
  • Big Bad: M. Bison is the mastermind behind the plot of the comic to kidnap fighters and siphon their power to use them to create Psycho Bombs to blackmail the world into his will.

  • Crossover Villain-in-Chief: M. Bison of Street Fighter is main villain with his lackies being rogues of the TMNT like Dr. Baxter Stockman.

  • Villain Respect: The Big Bad M. Bison becomes fascinated and appreciates Raphael's fighting ability and Psycho Power abilities.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 8th 2023 at 9:39:07 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
N2002 Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27470: Dec 8th 2023 at 2:04:52 PM

Climax Boss

Edited by N2002 on Dec 9th 2023 at 7:09:39 PM

Tylerbear12 What you see is what you get, just a guy. from The Green Hills. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
What you see is what you get, just a guy.
#27471: Dec 8th 2023 at 2:12:57 PM

Thanks, Arivne.

YMMV.Hilda:

  • It's Short, So It Sucks!: Season 3 only consists of 8 episodes instead of 13 episodes like seasons 1 and 2. While this is understandable, as the third season is more serialized compared to the previous two seasons, and it's evident the production team was running out of steam by this point, some feel the season's short length is a detriment and prevents many of the new concepts and characters from being as fleshed out as they would've liked them too.

  • Like You Would Really Do It: Did you really think Johanna was gonna die of her illness at the end of "The Fairy Isle", especially with Astrid looking to sacrifice herself to ensure she lives? Granted, even if it was obvious that Johanna was gonna live, that doesn't stop the scene from being an emotional punch to the stomach.

  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Despite the third season introducing Hilda's father Anders, he doesn't get to interact with Johanna much at all, and shockingly little is touched upon on their relationship outside of hints making it clear that things are currently sour between them. Given that the season is partly focused on exploring Johanna's backstory, it would've made sense to explore their relationship and what caused the two to split up.

Recap.Hilda S 3 E 3:

  • Bittersweet Ending: Hilda fails to convince the trolls to stay (as Woodman states, they've already made their minds up a long time ago) and the Faratok Tree is destroyed after being engulfed in flames. However, Hilda has successfully convinced Halvor and the other villagers that giants are not the monsters they see them as, and she is able to make her new Protective Charm.

  • You Can't Fight Fate: In spite of Hilda's efforts to change their minds, the giants ultimately leave Earth anyway. As Wood Man remarks to her, they've already made up their minds up about leaving a long time ago and were never going to be convinced by one little girl.

WesternAnimation.Hilda:

  • Retcon: In "The Hidden People", the elf prime minister states that they've been antagonizing Hilda's family since her grandfather built the cabin in the wilderness. In "The Fairy Isle", however, this was slightly retconned to the cabin having been owned by Hilda's grandmother before her grandfather had met her.

  • Ship Tease: While there's nothing overtly romantic (since the show prefers to avoid romance in general), Frida and David do have some very minor teasing in season 3, as not only are the two very close-knit and affectionate to each other, but they ended up sharing a room while staying at Astrid's place in "The Train to Tofoten", and would cuddle and sleep together on Astrid's roof in "The Fairy Isle".

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Dec 9th 2023 at 9:07:19 AM

kawaiineko333 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27472: Dec 8th 2023 at 3:00:35 PM

Everyone Is Home

  • What Did I Do Last Night?: In "Mystery Massacre", Little Mac, Palutena and Greninja find themselves in the woods, with Mac's leg pinned under a log. They have no idea how they got there, believing they were attacked. When they get back to the house and see it in ruins, Palutena believes Sephiroth's change of heart didn't work and led a coordinated attack. Mac checks his phone and sees there's a video. Daisy brought Wonder Flowers over. Inside the house, the destruction is from a rager of a Halloween party.

GracieLizzy from Sunderland, UK (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27473: Dec 8th 2023 at 3:33:53 PM

Could someone help me with this example from a TLP I've made?

  • Edna Mode from The Incredibles she's a Challenge Seeker who loves designing outfits for superheroes and having to factor their powers into her designs, she was intentionally written evoke both the Eccentric Fashion Designer and Mad Scientist character archetypes. She has a rival we never see called Alexander Galbaki that she has an extremely low opinion of, which implies that before superheroing became illegal super hero fashion design was a healthy trade and in the first movie she mentions she despise having to work with mundane super models when she used to design for people she saw as gods.

I'd appreciate the help as my dyslexia makes issues hard to spot.

Alpinist Since: Jul, 2023
#27474: Dec 8th 2023 at 6:01:32 PM

@ Buffy the Vampire Slayer

The only bad thing about the abundance of intriguing and entertaining characters in Buffy the Vampire Slayer is that sometimes, the story can't do all of them justice.


  • Sunnydale guidance counselor Mr. Platt is an understanding authority figure who gives Buffy advice that applies to her school life and work as the Slayer. Fans would have loved him to become a mainstay for the rest of the season or longer, especially given the number of upcoming situations Buffy could have used a therapist to talk to about. Instead, he's murdered before ever getting another chance to talk to Buffy.
  • The German Perky Goth Potential Slayer from "Beneath You" is a short-lived Pursued Protagonist, but her colorful wardrobe and the chase she puts up make some fans think that she had the potential to be a better recurring character than most of the Potential Slayers who survive to become Mauve Shirts. Her death wasn't even necessary to demonstrate the threat of the new villains, as they had already been shown chasing and killing a different Red Shirt Potential in the previous episode.
  • Buffy's Hemrey High Girl Posse only appears in one short flashback scene to right before she is chosen as a Slayer and aren't even portrayed very similarly to their counterparts from the original movie. Some fans would have liked seeing at least one of them show up again to take in all of the ways Buffy has both changed and stayed the same since coming to Sunnydale. Assuming they are the same characters from the film, it would have also been nice to explore the aftermath of one of them killing a vampire during the prom battle and another dating Buffy's old boyfriend but then regretting it.
  • The Expanded Universe novels have many original characters who feel like they could have recurred and/or appeared more in their sole book.
    • Revenant features an Occult Detective named Art Sledge who rescues the heroes from danger, comes across as a Hero of Another Story, and then proceeds to sit out the rest of the book’s action on the sidelines and never shows up again.
    • Trevor Kensington from Spike & Dru: Pretty Maids All in a Row is an ancient Watchers Council director who knows some powerful magical spells, is one of the more humble and insightful leaders of the organization, and has some apparent It's Personal history with the Big Bad. He never gets any conversations with the Potential Slayers and falls after a quick battle with the Big Bad (although he does kill several Mooks) without any details of their past encounters being given.
    • Resurrective Immortality-enjoying Veronique from Immortal, apparent Daywalking Vampire Solitaire from Ghoul Trouble, Benevolent Boss vampire fairy and sworn enemy of Anya Queen Mab from Little Things, vampirized ex-Slayer Celina from Tempted Champions, time-traveling vampire wizard Lucien from Portal Through Time, and A.I. Is a Crapshoot Mysterious Informant Simon from Mortal Fear are all unique and interesting major villains whose existence or status adds a lot to the supernatural status quo, but none of them appear in more than one book.
  • Calle, the Tragic Villain Undead Child who hates Angelus but adores Spike in One Thing or Your Mother is burned by the sun long before getting a chance to have her worldview complicated by seeing Angel or Spike in their ensouled states.
    • The fishing boat crewmen (including an undercover cop who one of her coworkers has a crush on) and high school students captured by the Flying Dutchmen in Ghost Roads all get interesting introductions that feel like they could have had decent roles throughout the book or beyond. However, they are all either quickly killed after choosing death in a Join or Die scenario or never get a chance to interact with Giles while they are all prisoners together and he is plotting to escape.
    • In Return to Chaos, Amanda Singer has disappointingly few interactions with her Hunter of Monsters Druid cousins after introducing them to Buffy while seeking to remain an Agent Scully.
    • None of the Ragtag Bunch of Misfits recruited into a witch coven in Prime Evil get too much focus on developing their Odd Friendships or realizing Buffy is right about their leader in the climax, and some never even reveal their reasons for needing magical powers.
    • Rosanna Jergens from The Wisdom of War works for a group trying to form treaties with supernatural races rather than fight them like the Watchers, is willing to be a Cowboy Cop against truly dangerous creatures, and has good chemistry with Giles, but her book ends with her on bad terms with the Scoobies and never contacting them again.

@ Killers of the Flower Moon

  • Villain Has a Point: He has self-serving motives to warn Ernest that anything he says while testifiying against Hale may be used in a later case against Ernest, but he is telling the truth and Ernest is later prosecuted.

  • Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: Kelsie is introduced as a cheerful, energetic Returning War Vet who gets along well with the Osage, but he is one of their most pitiless betrayers.

  • Dumbass No More: For all of his Stupid Crooks moments, he sees through Hale trying to use him for dirty work and hang Olson out to dry yet again when Hale asks him to kill Ernest in prison and tells White about the offer.
  • Politically Incorrect Villain: In addition to being fine with victimizing the Osage, Blackie is a firm believer of the Greedy Jew stereotype and uses it as an insult to anyone who is being greedy around him regardless of their religion.

  • Amateur Sleuth: Bill has no experience with law enforcement beyond having been arrested in the past, but he investigates Anna's death and does a good job of tracing her movements and learning what was going on in her life. It is implied that he figures out that King and the Burkharts are the killers.
  • The Quiet One: Minnie's sisters jokingly compare him to a possum due to the way he sits around without talking during many conversations.

  • Punch-Clock Villain: He is introduced as the Bumbling Sidekick of a prominent moonshiner, chats about how criminal money supports his large family of a wife and eight kids, and initially empathetically refuses when offered a job to kill someone. While his reluctance quickly fades when he is told that his target is a Native American, he does genuinely befriend Henry Roan while setting him up to be killed and comes to regret taking the job.

  • Hiding Behind Religion: Turton shamelessly robs dead Osage citizens (and is later among a crowd of citizens who try to bully Ernest out of testifying) but snaps at Ernest that he works for his profits like the Bible says and views people like Ernest, Hale and the Osage as lazy leeches with too much money.

  • Horrible Judge of Character: Mostly averted, but they view Hale as a trusted friend and let him sit in their councils even as they talk about how there are few white men they can trust.
  • The Unfettered: They react to the murders with angry speeches about how they can't trust the authorities but will band together to protect each other, remember their warrior roots, and won't ever leave the reservation.

  • Screw This, I'm Outta Here!: She suggests fleeing to Colorado Springs to escape the killers.

    Pitts Beaty 
Portrayed by: Gene Jones
A white businessman and the financial guardian of Mollie Burkhart.
  • Ambiguously Evil: He is a Klan leader who shows signs of knowing or suspecting Hale is the killer, but also allows Mollie to seek help in investigating the murders and is one of the jurors who convicts Hale (although he may have had pragmatic motives for both acts and the book notes that the jury refused to sentence a white man to death for killing Native Americans).
  • Ascended Extra: He is mentioned once in the appendix of the book but has several scenes in the film.
  • Fat Bastard: He is a jowly man who is patronizing to Mollie and leads The Klan in the area.
  • Jerk with a Heart of Jerk: He is a Fat Bastard Klansman, but he seems civil with the Osage and even volunteers to help hunt for the killers. However, a comment he makes to Hale after the Smith bombing implies that he knows Hale is the killer and has no concerns about stopping him as long as the murders remain out of the public eye.
  • Pet the Dog: Ambiguous Situation is very much at play, but he authorizes a pleading Mollie to withdraw enough money to go to Washington and seek federal help in solving the murders (even though he could keep her from doing so and is implied to be shielding the killers) after she says she is convinced she will die soon and wants to do this one thing first.

    Henry Grammer 
Portrayed by: Sturgill Simpson
A cowboy who runs the local underworld.
  • The Don: He runs moonshine stills, is willing to poison Osage customers for Hale, and knows where to find robbers and hitmen for any given job.
  • Sports Hero Backstory: He has a Trophy Room of rodeo blue ribbons and, even today, is almost as well known for being a world champion steer roper as he is for his role in the murders.
  • Token Competent Minion: He is chillingly efficient in getting results for Hale and seems devoid of Stupid Crooks moments, almost to Knight of Cerebus levels.

Killers of the Flower Moon

  • Chief Bonnicastle and Red Eagle get a Rousing Speech about what brought their people to Oklahoma and how they intend to stay put and fight this current menace.
  • Amateur Sleuth Bill Smith manages to piece together a lot of the case on his own and then coldly stares down Ernest and refuses to have a drink with him.
  • Convinced that she is dying, Millie still takes a long train ride to Washington to personally appeal to the President for resources to solve the murders.
  • Hale tries to frame a man who had an affair with Mrs. Roan for killing Henry by telling him that everyone will suspect and pursue him either way and that he should leave town. The man replies that he is staying put and knows better than to trust Hale, marking the first time someone outside of the crime ring is shown to recognize Hale for what he is and call him out on it.
  • The moment when White and his undercover investigators gather to compare notes and reveal how much of the conspiracy they have unraveled.
  • Mollie walks out on Ernest without another word when he lies about having ever helped poison her.

@ Late Phases

  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • The gunsmith Ambrose hires to make his silver bullets and the mail carrier whom Ambrose enlists to help follow the blood trail after the first werewolf attack are both only on screen for a minute or two but make strong impressions with their helpfulness and the nuances they give their characters.
    • Father Roger is a secondary character but feels like he could have carried the movie himself whenever he has a touching conversation with Ambrose that also teases him as a werewolf suspect.
    • Clarissa isn't the most prominent of the three Mauve Shirt welcoming committee ladies but is easily the most popular of them due to getting some nuanced, compassionate moments and being played by Tina Louise of Gilligan's Island.
    • Heroic Dog Shadow doesn't survive the first act, but effortlessly melts fans' hearts.

Edited by Alpinist on Dec 9th 2023 at 9:43:58 AM

brb1006 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27475: Dec 8th 2023 at 6:10:52 PM

For the YMMV Page for Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and the Island of Misfit Toys

  • Heartwarming Moments:
    • During a Christmas party held at Santa's Castle that evening, Rudolph notices Clarice flirting with him before she waits for him outside. Rudolph's red nose start glowing before Hermey bumps into him. Realizing that she wants to go out on a date with Rudolph, Hermey signals him to quietly leave to spend some quality time with her. This leads to a cute sequence of Rudolph and Clarice playing together as the song "Beyond The Stars" is played over their heartfelt interactions.
    • As Rudolph and Hermey are traveling to The Island of Misfit Toys to take care of King Moonracer's toothache. Hermey decides to have relaxing conversation with Rudolph about his crush on Clarice and to help him to properly express his true feelings towards her. Hermey recounts the time he developed an intense crush on The Tooth Fairy and fainted after he was given a diploma as an "Official Dentist" from The Tooth Fairy.
    • The scene where Rudolph is teaching Clarice to fly is a Call-Back to the original 1964 special where he flies for the first time after she called him "Cute". After a few failed attempts, Clarice becomes sad that "She will never earn her wings". Rudolph tries cheering her up by finally opening up on his true feeling towards her. After he whispers into her ear, Clarice becomes so overjoyed from Rudolph's love confession that she finally learned to fly like the other reindeer. Even fans of the original special will admit that Clarice's subplot was one of the few redeeming factors from this movie.
    • After Rudolph briefly ends up unconscious after hitting a metal door from The Toytaker's Blimp. Clarice quickly flies under the blimp to allow Rudolph to land on her back as a Triumphant version of "Beyond The Stars" is played.

Edited by brb1006 on Dec 8th 2023 at 11:31:15 AM


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