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@ shatterstar (page 1045)
Fantasy Landmark Equivalent:
In Real Life, landmarks and monuments contain many things of cultural and symbolic value. When an author wants to include a landmark or monument in their work, but that work takes place in a completely fictitious setting or a highly fictionalized version of a real life location, what should they do? They create an equivalent of that landmark/monument that is appropriate for their setting. One common method (superfluous words - cut) is to replace the iconic face of the human in a landmark with the face of the important characters or change' the letters in the landmark to important phrases or locations in the setting. Mount Rushmore and the Hollywood sign are especially prone to this method, as the faces of former presidents (superfluous word - cut) are (superfluous word - cut) easily changed to those of important (superfluous words - cut) characters within the setting while the latter are letters that can spell out a fantasy location while still retaining the Hollywood parody that the work wants to depict. The Hollywood sign version of this trope is so common that it has its own subtrope.
The monument and landmark in question will always be given an Alternate Landmark History because of the difference in setting. The landmark would very likely suffer from Monumental Damage or become a Weaponized Landmark during the course of the story. Expect a lot of shots depicting the landmark in order to remind the audience that this is an important location within the story.
Examples
Film - Live Action
- This trope was Played for Drama in Planet of the Apes (2001) where the protagonist Leo encounters ape polices at the foot of what appears to be the Lincoln Memorial, but is in fact a memorial to Thade, (comma) the ape main villain of the movie (move text).
Literature
- In the Timeline-191 universe, the Statue of Liberty does not exist due to the poor relations between France and United States. Standing in its place is the German-influenced Statue of Remembrance, carrying a sword in its right hand and a shield in its left.
Live Action TV
- Doctor Who: The Statue of Liberty in this universe is a giant Weeping Angel, (comma) a monstrous flesh-eating alien species that turn into stone whenever anyone is looking at them and have the power to zap people back in time.
Video Games
- LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2: The setting's version of the Statue of Liberty is depicted to be inside the Lemuria area with the Big Bad Kang's face on it.
Western Animation
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: The statue of Liberty is depicted as a pony, (comma) rather than a human, (comma) in this universe.
Anything not listed here does not need to be fixed.
And this is going beyond the scope of this topic, but it might be a good idea to make it clear that this doesn't just include fictional equivalents of Mount Rushmore and the Statue of Liberty.
Edited by Clare on Sep 13th 2023 at 12:34:11 PM
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I can't find anything improper in the English of that example.
Edited by Arivne on Sep 13th 2023 at 7:36:44 AM
After stealing from them an ancient Egyptian coin...Chapeau evades their capture...he just donned another one.
...traps such as a camera that deploys a punching glove...fall on the victim in order to to mug them...himself to avoid them, while once managing...
...disguising himself as Santa Claus and his dog Max as a reindeer to haul the sleigh he will use to arrive at Whoville. There, The Grinch steals all the decorations, presents, and food in all the houses without waking anyone other than the little girl Cindy Lou Who, for whom he crafts a lie to send her back to bed. Once having finished, The Grinch takes the sleigh with everything stolen to the top of Mount Crumpit to throw it into the abyss, until he discovers that the Whos are still able to celebrate Christmas even without all their stuff, understanding that Christmas means more than that. The Grinch realizes the wrongness of his actions and, <- comma with Max, <- comma saves the sleigh from falling, returning everything back to the Whos to celebrate Christmas with them.
...by disguising himself as Santa Claus and asking for movie tapes he claims he'll give to kids around the world. When his facade is dropped, Harry chases the bears through the store for the door keys and traps them after fooling them with a cardboard cutout. After being talked to by the bears about what Christmas is about and reminiscing about his childhood, Harry realizes the wrongness of his actions and is given a role as a Mall Santa for the store by the bears.
- Legally Dead: In "Batman gets Doxed on Twitter", Astolfo tells Batman that because he hasn't left the Batcave/Astolfo's apartment in weeks, the office (Wayne Enterprises) has legally declared [Bruce Wayne] dead.
@Arivne
The Tome’s origins are unknown Sind we don’t anything about it besides it making portals, so it may be the it used to be a wizard until it was turned into a book or unless it is a soul of the book that was trapped inside it.
- A snowman who lives in an Iceland
- A Cosmic Entity who has the power of stars
- The Moon and Sun
- Werewolf
Thanks, Arivne.
- What Could Have Been:
- Concept art by Luke Pearson shows there were originally plans for there to be multiple librarians besides Kaisa
at one point in the show. By the final production, only Kaisa was kept, with the rest being scrapped. The aforementioned concept art also reveals Kaisa originally had green hair instead of the Mysterious Purple hair she has in the show.
- The crew originally planned for Kaisa to have more scenes in season 1, but most of her scenes were scrapped as the team hadn't figured her character out then and felt the scenes in question didn't pan out. By the time they did nail down her character in "The Tide Mouse", it was too late to do much with her.
- According to here
. The original writing concept for The Fifty Year Night was very different from the final episode, with the original plan being that Hilda would travel 15 years in the future and team up with a 26-year-old David, who is emotional over seeing her after disappearing for so long and seeks to help her stop the time worm. This was scrapped as the writing team found the original idea to be overcomplicated and decided to simplify it. There were also plans for Hilda to go back to the past and meet a younger version of her mom, which was also scrapped.
- Luke Pearson's pre-Hildafolk sketches of Hilda (featured here in this interview
) are widely different from her final designs in the comics. His original sketches also show that she originally had a cat (or a "cat-bird" in one sketch) companion (who was swapped out for the deer-fox Twig by the time Hildafolk was published) and that Wood Man had a very different design in his early sketches, with him having pupils and resembling an elf.
- Concept art by Luke Pearson shows there were originally plans for there to be multiple librarians besides Kaisa
- Characterization Click Moment: According to the crew, "Chapter 8: The Tide Mouse" was the point they started to get an idea for how Kaisa should act, with the episode establishing her as a mysterious and Reasonable Authority Figure who is helpful, but very firm. It is also the first episode to properly hint at her true nature as a Magic Librarian, which was confirmed in the next season.
- Chekhov's Gunman: Tildy first appears in a minor role in the The Bird Parade as the old lady Hilda meets after knocking on the door. She eventually comes back in a major role in "The Witch", revealing that she is a witch and The Mentor to Kaisa, while also unintentionally kickstarting the episode's conflict by not returning the book Kaisa needed to get.
- Internal Reveal: In contrast to the suspicion Hilda and David have when they meet Victoria Van Gale again in "The Windmill", Frida is initially trusting towards her and does not believe David's claims of her being a shady Mad Scientist, since she wasn't with Hilda and David when they first confronted her in "The Storm" (due to their falling out in "The Ghost"), and thus, is unaware of Victoria's true colors. She becomes aware of her true nature, however, after she gets tied up by Victoria in the windmill.
- Accidental Aesop: From "The Eternal Warriors": Fighting smart and strategically will often get you much further in a battle than relying solely on strength and brute force.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Sep 14th 2023 at 10:40:18 AM
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@ Scooby-Doo and the Ghoul School
- The mirror monster may live inside another dimension, which might have given it some protection even if the mirror is destroyed, while the spider bats might have been able to hide in the books and crannies of the castle if they are more spider than bat, but it is also possible they did indeed die.
- Mrs. Grimwood and Colonel Calloway both seem to run Two Teacher Schools (although Calloway may have more staff members offscreen) with only too few students to have normal-sized volleyball teams. One possible explanation for this is that the Grimwood girls scare away a lot of boys who would otherwise attend the military school. Furthermore, given how seriously the Grimwood families seem to take the volleyball tournament and how long it has been since their school won it, it is possible that other, even more athletically-minded monsters pulled their girls out of school rather than see them keep losing the volleyball tournament. If one or both of these possibilities is correct, the lingering bitterness could help explain the heated rivalry between the schools.
- The horrific puppy-shooting scene is actually even worse than it looks at first glance. There are only five dogs (a mother and four puppies) seen in the room that Bacho decides to clean out himself, but at least nine shots are heard, and he presumably shot the mother first to avoid her retaliation and spare her Outliving One's Offspring anguish. That means that either there were even more puppies out of sight, or it took four extra shots to kill them, either because they were running and hiding or some of them were only wounded first and didn't die instantly.
- Pragmatic Villainy: In Murder Out of Commission, the killer's motive is to cover up how he improperly designed a nuclear reactor being installed nationwide. After turning to murder, he then sets out to fix the problem so that the reactors will stop leaking, but his main motive there is likely to cover up his crime rather than to protect the public.
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones:
- Infamous and (despite frequent Pet the Dog moments) ruthless mob boss Al Capone receives loving visits from his wife and mother and talks about wanting to spend time with his son after leaving prison.
- It gradually transpires that prison guard Darby Trixle treats the prisoners like they're subhuman, displays a chillingly ableist attitude, sabotages his rivals, and is eventually implied to be taking bribes from Capone, but he can be very affectionate to his wife and seven-year-old daughter.
- The Count, an unrepentant con man convict from the third book, sends money to his daughter.
- The Greatest Story Never Told: It is heavily implied that the dramatic (and fictional) escape attempt from the first book will be hidden from the public due to the embarrassment of how the escapees manipulated the warden and only got foiled by a group of the guards' kids.
Al Capone Does My Shirts
- It doubles as a heartwarming moment, but when Moose desperately asks Capone for help in getting his autistic sister adequate schooling, within just a couple of days it has happened, and Moose gets a note that simply says "Done."
- When J. Edgar Hoover is inspecting the prison and complaining about how much money gets spent on security, Warden Williams has imprisoned thief Willy One-Arm pick Hoover's pocket to show him just why he doesn't want to cut back the guard force for the men guarding people like that. The moment becomes even more awesome with the reveal that Willy is plotting to escape, meaning that his going along with the plan to show Hoover the need for high security for the general inmate population was all part of a bluff to make the security and suspicion on him laxer for his escape.
- An imprisoned counterfeiter manages to con the Warden's daughter into trading good money for some fakes he got past security.
- Moose is practicing pitching when he sees a con about to shiv his father (something Capone tried to covertly warn him about earlier but initially failed) and hurls his ball at the assailant, foiling the murder attempt.
Al Capone Throws Me a Curve
- After Natalie ends up being smuggled inside the inmate wing (almost certainly as a deliberate attempt to discredit her father, who may be the next warden), the thirteen-year-old Moose briefly fights with an inmate who is harassing her, then (with some help from Annie's guard father and an inmate who he is friendly with) smuggles her back out past both the inmates and any staff members who might report what happened and blame Natalie.
Al Capone Does My Shirts
- Little Miss Con Artist Piper manipulates her classmates into paying to have inmates wash their clothes. Once the euphoria wears off and the kids realize that they paid a lot for nothing special, one of them is in a simultaneously disgruntled and pun-making mood and notes that Piper took them "to the cleaners."
- Al Capone Shines My Shoes:
- Darby Trixle's determined search for a missing bar spreader that is part of an inmate plot takes a sudden humorous turn with the reveal that he hasn't noticed how his own young daughter found it and is using it to decorate her playhouse.
- When Elliot Ness visits the prison, his old nemesis Al Capone is assigned to prepare his dinner and gets away with spitting in it when no one put Moose and Piper are looking.
Al Capone Does My Homework
- The whole conversation about Jimmy making cheese out of belly button mold.
@ Buffyverse: Sunnydale Residents
- Hidden Depths: According to the yearbook, he is part of the Drama Club and is praised for his performance in Oklahoma!, even though the music in that play is different than the type Devon normally sings.
- Satellite Character: In seven TV appearances and at least seven more literary ones, he barely says or does a single noteworthy thing that isn't related to making music with Oz (or dating Cordelia during their brief relationship).
@ Harry Potter And The Deahtly Hallows
- Given how the films are more willing to depart from Harry's direct POV than the books, many fans hoped the entire Battle of the Seven Potters (Voldemort killing Mad-Eye, Tonks dueling Bellatrix, Lupin helping an injured George, etc.) would be shown, but the film still just follows Harry and Hagrid and doesn’t even mention as much of what the others went through as the book does.
Edited by Alpinist on Sep 14th 2023 at 12:07:14 PM
Something to add to Tiny Toons Looniversity...
- College Is "High School, Part 2": Subverted; while Acme Looniversity now lives up to its' name at being similar to a typical university, including dormitories and a dedicated dining hall building, the main building still has hallway lockers and a school bell system, similar to when the Loo was indeed a high school in the original series.
- Full-Body Disguise:
- In "Extra, So Extra", when Plucky confesses to who appears to be Hamton that he has been extracting secrets from him in his sleep, "Hamton" is revealed to have been Buster in a full-body costume, having learned that tactic from Merlin. The real Hamton was hiding in the closet the whole time.
- In "Prank You Very Much", Ling Lobster and Tomy Shark disguise as Fifi La Fume and Calamity Coyote this way, as part of a prank involving sticking a Whoopee Cushion on Hamton's seat.
Edited by WileK209 on Sep 14th 2023 at 8:00:54 AM
Overwatch Characters / Sombra
: Beware the Silly Ones: Most of the Talon leaders, especially Doomfist and Reaper, regard her as a silly annoying incompetent jokester and not much of a threat when she would inevitably betray them. However, her actions so far of helping Baptiste to evade Talon's capture has directly led him to join Overwatch, Talon's arch enemy, as well as keeping secrets about the survival of Ana Amari and Jack Morrison, both of whom are actively doing everything they can to bring Talon down.
Edited by shatterstar on Sep 14th 2023 at 12:46:57 PM
...is the "is Rust Bank's Catholic school janitor" part of Manberg's entry correct? It sounds wrong to me but I'm not sure.
^ It is correct English, but I have no idea if it's true since I'm completely unfamiliar with the work.
The Tome used to be a normal wizard
One of the forms of the final boss of The Tome was a wizard kid with yellow hair and a purple outfit, <- comma including a wand.
The Tome’s origins are unknown since we don’t anything about it besides it making portals, so it may be that it used to be a wizard until it was turned into a book or unless it is a soul of the book that was trapped inside it.
Well with There is an implication that The Elder Book will become the Big Bad since The Tome Book tricked it into thinking that Bob and Penny are bad guys, <- comma when in reality the Big Bad was the book itself. <- period there are possibilities what stories that could happen in the sequel.
^ You need to say what the possibilities are instead of just mentioning them.
Well we already know the usual and while we don’t know any indication on what kind of bosses there could be, we do have ideas that could happen in a possible sequel if it happens.
- A snowman who lives in
anIceland - A Cosmic Entity who has the power of the stars
@Alpinist
...but it is also possible they did indeed die.
One possible solution explanation ...athletically-minded <- no comma monsters...
...or it took four extra shots to kill them, <- comma either because they were running and hiding or some of them were only wounded first and didn't die instantly.
[[spoiler:the killer's motive is to cover up how he improperly designed a nuclear reactor being installed nationwide. After turning to murder, he then sets out to fix the problem so that the reactors will stop leaking, but his main motive there is likely to cover up his crime rather than to protect the public.
^ Please add double square closing brackets wherever the spoilered material ends.
...but when Moose desperately asks Capone for help in getting his autistic sister adequate schooling, within just a couple of days...
...Moose briefly fights with an inmate who is harassing her, <- comma then...
When FBI agent Elliot Ness visits the prison, his old nemesis Al Capone is assigned to prepare his dinner and gets away with spitting in it when no one but Moose and Piper are looking.
^ Elliott Ness was never an FBI agent, he was a Prohibition agent in the Treasury Department. If this work says he was, it's wrong.
...while Acme Looniversity now lives up to its name as being...
...when Plucky confesses to someone who appears to be Hamton...
...disguise themselves as Fifi La Fume and Calamity Coyote...
Edited by Arivne on Sep 14th 2023 at 6:56:47 AM

All are Magnificent Bastard entries I wrote that I won't mind if they were taken a look here: