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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
- Accidental Aesop:
- From "The Draguen": Don't jump to baseless accusations against someone (even a Jerkass) without solid evidence to back your accusations up. You're just gonna embarrass yourself and look like a fool otherwise, especially if the person you're accusing turns out to be clean.
- Misaimed Fandom: In-Universe. Alhberg is inspired by Hilda's essay to use bells against the trolls since it upsets them. This enrages Hilda, accusing him of missing the point of her story, since her essay says not to use bells against them for that very reason.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Sep 11th 2023 at 2:42:54 PM
Gaston Lagaffe: Characters (Bertrand Labévue)
- Characterization Marches On: His first appearence was meant to establish him as a clumsy person, but this trait never appeared again after that and he pretty much became "Gaston's second friend" and had a rather flat personality. In later comics, he's given yet another personality trait, which is being depressed, reflecting the author's mental state.
Telepath RPG
- Expy: Energy Golems work exactly like the Prism Flowers in Shining Force II. Both unit cannot move and attack with a laser with infinite range that they can shoot in any of the four cardinal direction.
- Hero Antagonist: The Dissidents are just a group of Spriggats freedom fighters trying to abolish the Shadowlings' dictatorship and their genocide on female Spriggats, but you still have to fight them since as the Shadowlings' slave, you're forced to do their bidding.
- Gendercide: Shadowlings are actively killing female Spriggats to stop them from reproducing.
- Lightning Bruiser: Grotius has one of the best defense in your roster, deals good damage and has great mobility, making him perfect on the battlefield's front line. The only thing that doesn't make him a Master of All is that he can't hit plenty of enemy on the same time (the best he can do is three, which is less than the potential of almost half the roster).
- Mighty Glacier: Stone Golem, Bronze Golem and Phantom Armors are all slow units that deal heavy damage. Flint, a playable Stone Golem also fit this description until he gets an upgrade to increase his mobility.
- One-Gender Race: Downplayed. While the Shadowlings attempted a Gendercide on female Spriggats, they didn't actually kill all of them, so there's still a few existing female on top of males.
Franquin's Last Laugh
- Deliberately Monochrome: The comic is fully black and white to represent the dark topics portrayed in it and the cynical tone of the stories.
Page 1044 @Jayanimelover 2004
You wrote:
Kokushibo was originally a human being who was the second strongest being behind Yoriichi...
I changed it to:
Kokushibo was originally a human being who was the second strongest one behind...
I changed the second "being" to "one" because it was redundant with "human being" and didn't sound right.
You wrote "Now, he is far more stern, serious, and is even simmering with rage..."
I tried to delete the second "is" because it was redundant with the first "is" and therefore unnecessary. I wrote it as [[striker:is]] instead of [[strike:is]].
Edited by Arivne on Sep 11th 2023 at 7:52:47 AM
@jOSEFdelaville
Both units cannot move, <- comma and attack...
...but you still have to fight them since, <- comma as the Shadowlings'...
...one of the best defenses in your roster...plenty of enemies at the...
...Flint, a playable Stone Golem, <- comma also fits this...
...so there're still a few existing females on top of males.
Edited by Arivne on Sep 11th 2023 at 8:11:17 AM
- @ Iconic Sequel Character
- Tomboy and Girly Girl sidekick duo Bess and George first debut in the fifth Nancy Drew book and love interest Ned shows up in the seventh, but all three remain franchise mainstays over ninety years later.
- Silo: Sam Marnes has been the Silo's top deputy for decades but has no wish to take the sheriff's job from his much-respected boss Becker, and even after Becker's death, Marnes refuses an offer to succeed his friend and plans to retire and become a shopkeeper.
@ 9 to 5
- Harsher in Hindsight: The very title of the movie, based on how employees worked from 9-5 with a paid hour or half hour lunch, can feel harsher in recent years (especially given the focus on getting better working conditions in the second act) after many American employers began changing the regular workday to 8-5, without paid lunch breaks.
- Sally's Bad Liar babbling to Gary about how she knew Jimmy includes almost letting how he kidnapped the sisters slip, then insisting it was just "a little nap."
- One of Sally's customers has an awkward Delayed Reaction to realizing that a baldness ointment should be applied to his crotch and not his head.
- Curgen and Luthor Crabb talking to the Thornes about their familial home includes quips like how it got named "Red House" simply due to being made of red bricks and having an unimaginative Crabb do the naming.
Edited by Alpinist on Sep 12th 2023 at 11:26:23 AM
YMMV.Hilda: (tie-in novels)
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Everyone tends to treat Hilda poorly in the S1 novels, with Frida and David dumping her after their first adventure in "The Hidden People", her mother being unintentionally awful to her in most of the novels, and everyone (including the adults) mocking and laughing at her in "The Great Parade", with Ms. Halgrim outright screaming at her even though she is crying. While this version of Hilda is certainly more jerkish and bratty compared to the comics and show, she is still a well-meaning, apologetic, and good-hearted girl most of the time. Despite the book's attempts to portray her as an unsympathetic brat, fans tend to view her as The Woobie instead, with the treatment she gets from others being seen as undeserved and overkill.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The novels noticeably make Johanna into quite the jerk, as she often kicks Hilda while she's down, outright tells her that she is a terrible daughter, emotionally manipulates her, has no regard for her interests, pressures her to do well (and berates her when she fails to live up to her expectations), and is almost never apologetic to her, causing the novel incarnation of Johanna to unintentionally come off as a horrible and emotionally abusive parent, unlike her comic and cartoon counterparts, who, while flawed, were well-meaning, sympathetic, and caring. Despite this, the novels almost never present her as being in the wrong for this, instead presenting Hilda as being in the wrong, much to the ire of fans. "Hilda and the White Woff" would attempt to remedy this and make her more like her show counterpart, which won back some fans,
YMMV.Toy Story 4
- Mis-blamed: Similar to Cars 2, many tend to blame Disney for green-lighting the sequel against Pixar's wishes. However, according to interviews, Pixar had been discussing a fourth film since Toy Story 3 was completed in 2010note , with the preproduction phase beginning a year later. It is frequently forgotten and/or ignored that Pixar only green lights sequels because they want to make them, rather than because Disney forces them to.
- Common Knowledge: One of the largest misconceptions surrounding the film was that it was meant to be the Grand Finale of the Toy Story series. However, Pixar never intended the film to be a finale. Quite the contrary in fact, as talks for Toy Story 4 were already in place as soon as Toy Story 3 was completed, with that film being put into production a year later. The film could certainly be viewed as the finale of the "Andy" era of the franchise, since the film ends on a Passing the Torch from Andy to Bonnie, but it was never meant to be a finale to the series as a whole.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Sep 12th 2023 at 3:14:37 AM
@Arvine
I think I understand your reasoning and I can respect that. But I don't really think "Kokushibo was originally a human being who was the second strongest one behind..." doesn't sound much better. It sounds a bit off.
Also, could you explain the striker word more clearly? Cause I genuinely don't understand the meaning of it.
For Complete Monster.
- Little Nightmares fanfics Six’s Shield
& Mono’s past
- The Eye is eldrich entiny responsible for setting Crapsack World. It is sadistic and controling being who transforms countless humans across world into monsters while having human cults sacrifice people, including cultists own children, to it. Souls of humans who worship it or are killed by its servants are used as a fuel for the Eye to expand it influence, before being forever subjected to their worst fears for its amusement. When Six mother Ellie begs the Eye to spare her daugther of sacrifice, it makes her part of Signal Tower which it uses to reduce inhabitants of the Pale City into its mindless servant. Desiring to make Mono new host of the Signal Tower, the Eye has the Thin Man kidnap Six and subjects her to illusions of Mone breaking her music box for Aeons to turn her against him. After Six helps it capture Mono, the Eye lets her go so her hunger would lead her into the Maw, planning to make her Maw’s next host.
- The Lady is cruel current host of the Maw, giant underwater structure the Eye get rid od the bodies whose souls it absorbed by having them feed to Maw’s guests. The Lady also runs side bussines of having countless kids kidnaped and held prisoners in the Maw before buthering them for the guests. She is also horribly abusive to her daugther Raine, treating her as part of her collection of porcelain dolls and punishing her for disobedience by having her locked into closet until she passes out from hunger. When Ferryman bring her Six thinking she is runaway Raine, the Lady punishes her same way she did her daugther, before sending girl to wait butchering with other children after realising Six isn’t her daugther, angry at being “tricked” by her.
- The Hunter is mysterious Serial Killer living in the woods outside of the Pale City. Hunter uses his traps to kill dozens of people, be they children of adults, before either leaving their bodies to rot or taxiderming them as trophies. He captures Six and, after preventing her escape, throw her into a cage in the basement. The Hunter spends weeks keeping her prisoner, only occosinaly throwing her rotten food and using his gun to make it clear he can kill her at any time. When Six escapes again with Mono’s help, the Hunter attempts to kill them both.
...emotionally abusive parent, <- comma unlike her comic and cartoon counterparts, who, <- comma while flawed..."Hilda and the White Wolf" would...
...only green lights sequels...because Disney forces them to.
"I think I understand your reasoning and I can respect that. But I don't really think "Kokushibo was originally a human being who was the second strongest one behind..." doesn't sound much better. It sounds a bit off."
Fine. Ignore it.
"Also, could you explain the striker word more clearly? Cause I genuinely don't understand the meaning of it."
[[strike:text]] is a command to draw text with a line through it.
For example, [[strike:John is here]] becomes John is here.
It's in Text Formatting Rules in the Text Effects folder.
The Eye is an eldritch entity responsible for setting the Crapsack World. It is a sadistic and controlling being who transforms countless humans across the world into monsters while having human cults sacrifice people, including the cultists' own children, to it. Souls of humans who worship it or are killed by its servants are used as a fuel for the Eye to expand its influence, before being forever subjected to their worst fears for its amusement. When Six mother Ellie begs the Eye to spare her daughter from being sacrificed, it makes her part of the Signal Tower, <- comma which it uses to reduce inhabitants of the Pale City into its mindless servant. Desiring to make Mono the new host of the Signal Tower, the Eye has the Thin Man kidnap Six and subjects her to illusions of Mone breaking her music box for Aeons to turn her against him. After Six helps it capture Mono, the Eye lets her go so her hunger would lead her into the Maw, planning to make her the Maw’s next host.
^ Is Aeons a name (in which case it should be capitalized) or is it supposed to be multiple aeons, which would not be capitalized?
The Lady is the cruel current host of the Maw, a giant underwater structure the Eye created to get rid of the bodies whose souls it absorbed by having them fed to the Maw’s guests. The Lady also runs a side business of having countless kids kidnapped and held prisoner in the Maw before butchering them for the guests. She is also horribly abusive to her daughter Raine, treating her as part of her collection of porcelain dolls and punishing her for disobedience by having her locked into a closet until she passes out from hunger. When Ferryman bring her Six thinking she is a runaway Raine, the Lady punishes her the same way she did her daughter, before sending the girl to await butchering with the other children after realising Six isn’t her daughter, angry at being “tricked” by her.
The Hunter is a mysterious Serial Killer living in the woods outside of the Pale City. Hunter uses his traps to kill dozens of people, be they children or adults, before either leaving their bodies to rot or using taxidermy to turn them into trophies. He captures Six and, after preventing her escape, throws her into a cage in the basement. The Hunter spends weeks keeping her prisoner, only occasionally throwing...
YMMV / Pokémon Legends: Arceus
- Fanfic Fuel: How would the protagonist and Ingo will get back to their time period? The game never resolve this plot point even after the confrontation with Volo, Giratina and Arceus, leading to fans quickly try to resolve this plot.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: After the premise of the Time Rift bringing over Akari / Rei and Ingo from the current timeline to Hisui, as well as bringing up numerous times how the protagonist and Ingo must be very scared, missing their love ones and want to return to their current time, the game abruptly never resolves this plot point even after the protagonist defeats Volo and Giratina who were responsible for the Time Rift, completes the Pokedex and confronting Arceus - the Pokemon who tasked us with the mission in the first place, in the final battle. This is especially worse for Ingo given that we know he has a twin brother in his original debut game.
- Aborted Arc: After the initial premise of the Time Rift bringing over the protagonist and Ingo, how they must be very scared, missing their love ones and want to return to their current time, the narrative abruptly never brings up how they would get back to their time period even after the confrontation of the characters who were responsible for the Time Rift Volo and Giratina, as well as the Pokemon that assigned us the mission to stop them in the first place Arceus.
Edited by shatterstar on Sep 12th 2023 at 11:58:26 AM
Thanks
@ Silo
- Adaptational Badass: In the book, George is targeted for wanting to expand the Silo laterally or downward while not grasping how badly this would mess up the status quo. In the show, he is actively investigating the secrets of the Silo and the outside world and is intentionally defying the authorities.
- The Needs of the Many: It is heavily implied that George seduced at least one woman solely for the help that she could give him, which led to her life being ruined (and may have also been doing this with Juliette) as part of his plans to investigate the secrets of the Silo and see if everyone could safely journey to the outside world again.
- Pet the Dog: While he and Petrovich have polar opposite opinions about the disaster, Zharkhov does compliment the younger man on his concern for the people.
Major Burov
- Played by: Peter Guinness
- The Stoic: He never raises his voice or otherwise shows emotion as he talks to visitors in a crowded and panicked hospital.
- Pet the Dog: He doesn't reveal information about the disaster or show any overt sympathy for the victims' families, but he allows Lyudmilla to leave the quarantined city to be with her sick husband in Moscow.
- What Happened to the Mouse?: He isn't seen after Lyudmilla visits the hospital, and his fate as the city is exposed to more radiation and eventually evacuated is unrevealed.
Mikhail Shchadov
- Played by: Michael Colgan
- Historical Downgrade: The real Shchadov worked in a coal mine as a teenager and spent forty years rising through the ranks before having a career filled with both positive (improving working conditions for miners) and more controversial (being implicated in an anti-Gorbachev coup) accomplishments. None of these actions and achievements are mentioned in the show, where he seems like a novice political appointee.
- I Did What I Had to Do: He looks unhappy about sending a hundred miners to risk their lives to stop a complicated danger that hasn't been fully explained to him, but he understands enough to know the worst-case scenario risks, which strengthens his resolve to give those orders.
- Sharp-Dressed Man: His fancy and immaculate gray suit stands out amidst the dirty miners and slightly disheveled soldiers around him. The miners deliberately smear this suit with coal at the end of their talk, which he seems to find Actually Pretty Funny.
@ Scooby-Doo and the Ghoul School
- Two-Teacher School: Mrs. Grimwood employs a few monster servants but seemingly teaches everything at her finishing school besides Gym, which she hires Shaggy to teach (with Scooby and Scrappy being his assistants). To be fair, she only has five students, and it isn't shown exactly how many classes the school has.
- Keep Circulating the Tapes: While the series remains fairly popular, it has yet to receive an ebook release and many of the books only got one or two printings, and most of those were in Australia, making copies of a little over half of the books in the series difficult to buy even in Australia, let alone other countries.
Edited by Alpinist on Sep 13th 2023 at 4:41:28 AM
Thanks, Arivne. I should point out that "Woff" in this case was not meant to be an incorrect spelling of Wolf. That is what the book is called
. The woffs
are a unique and magical species in the Hilda universe separated from wolves. Just wanna point that out.
YMMV.Hilda Tie In Series:
- Catharsis Factor: Given how badly Johanna has treated Hilda in previous books, David defending the latter in Hilda and the Time Worm is incredibly satisfying.
- Growing the Beard: The S2 books are generally regarded to be a step up from the S1 books, thanks to the less Off-Model and more consistent artwork, as well as the meanness of the characters being toned down from the S1 books in favor of sticking closer to the show's characterizations, leading to bouts of Character Rerailment in the process.
- Unintentional Uncanny Valley: The art by Seaerra Miller from in the first few novels has gained infamy in the fandom for being wonky, with characters being Off-Model (such as this illustration of Trevor and his friends
) and the inclusion of glaring bloopers (like this illustration of Twig missing his antlers
). Likely because of this, she was replaced by Victoria Evans after the third book, with the illustrations going forward becoming more consistent with the show's art style.
Trivia.Hilda Tie In Series:
- Early Draft Tie-In: Kaisa is described as having green hair in Hilda and the Great Parade, which is a remnant from when she originally had green highlights in concept art of the show
before the team changed it to purple in the final show.
WesternAnimation.Hilda:
- Actor Allusion: In "The Witch", after being accused of trespassing, Hilda claims to The Committee of Three that she is a witch based on her use of magic in "The Tide Mouse". Hilda is voiced by Bella Ramsey, who had previously played the witch student Mildred Hubble in CBBC's adaptation of The Worst Witch.
- Nice, Mean, and In-Between: David is a reserved kid who is meek and cowardly, but also kind and fiercely loyal to his friends (nice), Frida is a controlling and selfish perfectionist who, while caring, can be aggressive when her perfectionism is called into question (mean), and Hilda is well-meaning and caring, but prone to being inconsiderate to others and bratty when things don't go her way (in-between).
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Sep 13th 2023 at 1:41:32 PM
@ shatterstar
- Fanfic Fuel: How will the protagonist and Ingo (superfluous word - cut) get back to their time period? The game never resolves this plot point even after the confrontation with Volo, Giratina and Arceus, leading to fans (superfluous word - cut) trying to come up with ideas for how to return them to their own time.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: After the premise of the Time Rift bringing over the protagonist and Ingo from the current timeline to Hisui, as well as bringing up numerous times how they must be very scared, missing their love ones and wanting to return to their current time, the game abruptly ends without resolving this plot point even after the protagonist defeats Volo and Giratina (parentheses) (who were responsible for the Time Rift) (closing parentheses), completes the Pokedex and confronts Arceus. (comma) the Pokemon who tasked them with the mission in the first place, in the final battle. This is especially bad for Ingo given that we know he has a twin brother in his original debut game.
- Aborted Arc: After the initial premise of the Time Rift bringing over the protagonist and Ingo, who must be very scared, missing their love ones and wanting to return to their current time, the narrative (superfluous word - cut) never brings up how they will get back to their time period even after the confrontation with the characters who were responsible for the Time Rift, (comma) Volo and Giratina, as well as Arceus, (comma) the Pokemon that assigned the protagonist and Ingo the mission to stop them in the first place (move text).
Edited by Clare on Sep 12th 2023 at 9:31:32 AM
Film
- Death Wish: Sam Kreutzer jokingly says to Paul Kersey that the poorest residents of New York City should be sent to concentration camps in order to reduce the crime rate.
Sam Kreutzer: The underprivileged are beating our goddamned brains out. You know what I say? Stick them in concentration camps, that's what I say.
- Launcher of a Thousand Ships: Bradley is shipped with pretty much every character in the show. Her most popular is her canon with Laura, but she is also often paired with Alex, Cory, and Maggie to name a few. This is helped by Reese Witherspoon having great chemistry with her co-stars.
Any corrections?
Edited by Bullman on Sep 12th 2023 at 11:31:43 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadHello. I have my suspension lifted (hooray), so I will bring back the TLP proposal draft I have been saving up for a long time for grammar proof reading for a trope I want to propose called Fantasy Landmark Equivalent:
In Real Life, landmarks and monuments contain many cultural and symbolic values. When an author wants to adapt a landmark or monument into their work, but that work is set in a completely fantasy setting or a highly fictionalized version of that location, what should they do? They create an equivalent for that landmark/monument that is appropriate for their setting. One common method of this trope is to replace the iconic face of the human in a landmark with the face of the important characters or the letters in the landmark to important phrases or locations in the setting. Mount Rushmore and the Hollywood sign are especially prone to this method, as the faces of former presidents faces are especially easily and iconic to establish the importance of the characters that was put on the mountain while the latter are letters that can spell out a fantasy location while still retaining the Hollywood parody that the work wants to depict. The Hollywood sign version of this trope is so common that it has its own subtrope.
The monument and landmark in question will always be given an Alternate Landmark History because of the difference in setting. The landmark would very likely suffer from Monumental Damage or become a Weaponized Landmark during the course of the story. Expect a lot of shots depicting the landmark in order to remind the audience that they are important locations within the story.
Examples
- Naruto has the Hokage Rock, a mountain with the heads of the previous Hokages, a title given to the leader of a ninja village. This is an obvious homage to Mount Rushmore.
- The Triplets of Belleville: A parody of the Statue of Liberty is depicted as an obese woman holding a hamburger on top of her tablet and an ice cream cone instead of a torch.
- This trope was Played for Drama in Planet of the Apes (2001) where the protagonist Leo encounters ape polices at the foot of what appears to be the Lincoln Memorial, but is in fact a memorial to the ape main villain of the movie Thade.
- In Barbie (2023) there is a cutaway gag where Stereotypical Barbie drives through the equivalent of Mount Rushmore in Barbieland, with all of the heads on it being Barbie. When Ken brings the patriarchy to Barbieland, the Barbie faces are replaced by the faces of horses.
- In the Timeline-191 universe, the Statue of Liberty do not exist due the poor relation between France and United States. Standing in its place is the German-influenced Statue of Remembrance, carrying a sword in its right hand and a shield in its left.
- Doctor Who: The Statue of Liberty in this universe is a giant Weeping Angel - a monstrous flesheating alien species that turned into stone whenever anyone is looking at them.
- The Grand Theft Auto franchise has a parody of the Statue of Liberty called the Statue of Happiness that holds a coffee cup instead of a torch.
- LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2: The Statue of Liberty is depicted to be inside the Lemuria area with the Big Bad Kang's face on it.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: The statue of Liberty is depicted as a mare in this universe.
Edited by shatterstar on Sep 13th 2023 at 2:30:32 AM

Thanks Arivne
@ Island (2000)
@ Tales From Alcatraz
@ Tales From Alcatraz
@ Iconic Sequel Character
@ Macdonald Hall
Edited by Alpinist on Sep 11th 2023 at 7:02:26 AM