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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM
- Gratuitous French:'' In "Mimsky - 5/20/1972", when Debbie introduces herself and says she's from a wealthy family in France, Marissa talks to her in unsubtitled French.
Debbie: Well, I'm from a very well-to-do family back in France.
Marissa: Faisailent-ils partie de l'Ancien Régime? (Were they part of the Old Regime?)
Debbie: Ma famille a grimpé l'échelle sociale après que la guillotine a fini son travail. (My family moved up the social ladder after the guillotine finished its job.)
Marissa: D'accord. (Okay.)
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- In the pantsahat episode "Indiana Jones Raided my Panty Drawer", after Indy raids Astolfo's clothes, including his panties, Tahu is relieved his Timb(erland)s weren't stolen until Hippo says they're so fake they don't exist, making them disappear.
Hippo: Bruh, your shoes so fake they non-existant.
(the Timbs disappear off of Tahu's feet)
Tahu: Bring 'em back.
For Complete Monster.
- Martin Greeneyes & Seasons Of Peace:
- Tsarmina Greeneyes is deranged daughter of Verdauga Greeneyes and Martin’s adopted sister. Originaly just a bully who refused to accept Martin and walked over their kind brother Gingivere, Tsarmina truly proves her depravity when left in charge of Mossflower while her father is away. Tsarmina has her troops terorise populace and steal every bit of their food, worsening conditions of already bad famine. When her tirany causes her brothers to declarate war on her, Tsarmina has most of Mossflower forest burned down and unleashes savage beast on surviving rebels. Tsarmina has surviving family of hedgodogs captured and separates children from their parents, torturing children to their parents to give her information. In her paranoia, Tsarmina her her troops abbadon Kotir fortress and has them work in grueling conditions to build her a new one. Despite originaly caring for her father and biological brother, Tsarmina has no problem ordering them killed when they stand against her. As battle with Verdauga’s army and rebels turns sour, Tsarmina is ready to abbadon her troops to die. Captured and exiled, Tsarmina is captured by Swratt Sixclaw, whom she convices to go to war against her father in order to get her revenge.
- Swartt Sixclaw is sadistic lieutenant of Eastern Flats horde. He captured young badger Sunflash and spent six years torturing him, in meantime torturing hundreds of creatures and even forcing Sunflash to watch as Swartt rapes prisoners. Serving as main strategist of his army during conflict with Verdauga Greeneyes Thousand-Eyes Army, Swartt decides to poison his Horde’s incompetent leader Bowfleg in order to take control. He takes Bowfleg’s kind and demure daughter Bluefen as his bride and rapes her. Swartt plans to awaken Bloodwrath in Badger Lord Boar and turn him against his allies. He eventually captures Tsarmina and plans to make her his new torture toy, before alling with her and planing to attack Kotir under promise of recapturing Sunflash and Bluefen.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Sep 6th 2023 at 4:04:52 AM
Norse Fylkirate:
Blood Knight: Being modern day vikings. The Fylkirate loves to fight and die in battle.
Ortagix War-Ecology
Expy: They're the Orks mixed with the Organic Technology of Orc Stain.
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...and another (Richard Drayling) chooses to retire...
...(albeit one who didn't abandon her people...then eventually strives to do...
Entertainingly Wrong: Iceni...
...Emma turning into a bird big enough to lift Joshua Tilpin off the ground...
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Robosexuals Are Creeps: Usually averted in the rare Transformers fic that has a human/transformer or organic alien/transformer relationship. The transformers being the main characters and having actual souls probably helps.
According to Averted Trope:
Aversions should almost never be listed on trope pages...Generally, only nigh Omnipresent Tropes, Acceptable Breaks from Reality or No Straight Examples, Please! tropes should have aversions listed as examples.
I can't find Robosexuals Are Creeps on any of those pages.
Edited by Arivne on Sep 6th 2023 at 6:33:38 AM
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@kawaiineko333
Gratuitous French: <- no apostrophes In "Mimsky - 5/20/1972", when Debbie introduces...
Edited by Arivne on Sep 6th 2023 at 6:58:01 AM
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...than she already is and would ultimately cause the two to fight several times and to severely...
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...travel all over space, <- comma is an Honorary Uncle to Kyle’s children and...
...The end of this special reveals the main characters' new lives in...
...and he has a Maybe Ever After future with Wendy.
Kenny is still a successful scientist who just won a Nobel Peace Prize for...
Butters works at Denny's Applebee's Max as a waiter who's just been promoted to manager.
Cartman has become a miserable and homeless alcoholic who's done nothing with his life but scream insults at people, while having driven everyone away from him with his horrible behavior. <- period
Cartman did attempt to change his behavior in Season 20, <- comma having gotten into a romantic relationship with Heidi Turner and treating her far better than anyone else. However, in Season 21, Cartman returns to being a Jerkass who decides to abuse Heidi and corrupts her into becoming another version of himself.
Zig-Zagged regarding his second attempt to redeem himself in South Park: Post Covid. This time, <- comma he has converted himself to Judaism and becomes a family man with a wife and children. However, <- comma Kyle remains convinced that Cartman hasn’t truly changed, with Cartman eventually going back to his evil ways to stop Stan and Kyle from changing the Bad Future in fear that he’ll lose his family, until his wife, Yentl, convinces him to let them change the past. However, <- comma this results in a future where Cartman doesn’t choose to redeem himself upon reaching adulthood, <- comma resulting in him becoming a homeless alcoholic who’s done nothing with his life and is considered to be Beyond Redemption.
When Ike’s biological parents learn that his adoptive brother, Kyle, came all the way to Canada to get him, they decide to let Ike be with his adoptive brother, knowing that he would be happier with them.
Tsarmina Greeneyes is the deranged daughter of Verdauga Greeneyes and Martin’s adopted sister. Originaly just a bully who refused to accept Martin and walked over their kind brother Gingivere, Tsarmina truly proves her depravity when left in charge of Mossflower while her father is away. Tsarmina has her troops terrorise the populace and steal every bit of their food, worsening conditions of an already bad famine. When her tyranny causes her brothers to declare war on her, Tsarmina has most of Mossflower forest burned down and unleashes savage beasts on the surviving rebels. Tsarmina has surviving families of hedgehogs captured and separates children from their parents, torturing children to make their parents to give her information. In her paranoia, Tsarmina has her troops abandon Kotir fortress and has them work in grueling conditions to build her a new one. Despite originally caring for her father and biological brother, Tsarmina has no problem ordering them killed when they stand against her. As the battle with Verdauga’s army and rebels turns sour, Tsarmina is ready to abandon her troops to die. Captured and exiled, Tsarmina is captured again by Swratt Sixclaw, whom she convinces to go to war against her father in order to get her revenge.
Swartt Sixclaw is the sadistic lieutenant of the Eastern Flats horde. He captured young badger Sunflash and spent six years torturing him, in the meantime torturing hundreds of creatures and even forcing Sunflash to watch as Swartt rapes prisoners. Serving as the main strategist of his army during the conflict with Verdauga Greeneyes' Thousand-Eyes Army, Swartt decides to poison his Horde’s incompetent leader Bowfleg in order to take control. He takes Bowfleg’s kind and demure daughter Bluefen as his bride and rapes her. Swartt plans to awaken Bloodwrath in Badger Lord Boar and turn him against his allies. He eventually captures Tsarmina and plans to make her his new torture toy, before allying with her and planning to attack Kotir with a promise of recapturing Sunflash and Bluefen.
@ssbob90
Being modern day Vikings, <- comma the Fylkirate love to fight and die in battle.
They're the Orks mixed with the Organic Technology of Orc Stain.
^ Put the title of a long work in italics as per How to Write an Example - Italicize "Long" Work Names.
Thanks again, Arivne. Here's a couple examples I want to add to the fairly new trope Spoofy-Doo, under Western Animation...
- Animaniacs: In "Back in Style," as Warner Bros. Pictures is suffering financial woes in The '60s and seventies, the Warner siblings are loaned out to a parody of Hanna-Barbera to do cameos in the studio's Limited Animation TV cartoons. One such show is Uhuru, Where Are You?, featuring the titular dog, Bristly (a Shaggy parody that says "Zink!" when startled), Phoebe (a combination of Daphne and Velma), and an unnamed Fred parody (voiced by Animaniacs regular Frank Welker for good measure). While investigating a haunted house, the Warners bungle up the mystery by riding on Uhuru, and then dance to "cheesy fake rock songs" (in a parody of the bubblegum rock songs that accompanied the chase scenes in Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!'s second season).
- Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures: In "Don't Touch That Dial", the title character is Trapped in TV Land, and as the young viewer channel-surfs, Mighty Mouse ends up in Ring-a-Ding, Where Are You?, featuring four teenagers in stereotypical 1970s fashions (with the Shaggy parody, Scuzzy, saying "Yoinks!" in a deadpan manner) and their scruffy talking dog. Scuzzy and Ring-a-Ding also drive around in a Speed Buggy-esque vehicle, and the parody includes jabs at the Scooby-Dooby Doors gag, the show's Limited Animation (complete with Wraparound Background spoof), the Laugh Track, and the Dramatic Unmask at the end of each episode (the gang tries to unmask Mighty Mouse, thinking he's the "Rat Monster of Gruesome Gulch", only to accidentally rip his head off of his neck).
Pokémon: The Series — Ash and Pikachu:
- During Ash and Paul's first match against each other, the significance of Pikachu's Iron Tail attack on Elekid during their intense face-off in the climax is often overlooked. Despite appearing exhausted at the end, Pikachu's Iron Tail was so powerful that it caused Elekid to faint with Pikachu almost simultaneously, resulting in a draw and a thrilling outcome.
Heartwarming/Naruto:
- Despite Naruto's less-than-ideal behavior, his heartfelt plea for Sasuke's life seems to have made an impact on the Raikage. Even though the decision to not spare Sasuke may not have been immediately apparent, the fact that he looked back at the grieving Leaf ninja suggests that Naruto's words touched him somehow.
- Always Someone Better: Although Law is considered a formidable opponent in the race for the coveted One Piece treasure and is recognized as one of the most noteworthy Supernova members of the Worst Generation, he ultimately falls short and loses out to his lively and youthful rival, Luffy.
- Spanner in the Works: Despite their rivalry, Law demonstrates admirable bravery by rescuing Luffy during the intense battle at Marineford. This selfless action not only solidified their bond but also granted Law the ability to combat sinister schemes with the same determination and vigor as Luffy. Their resulting alliance in Punk Hazard destroys many villains' ongoing plans. This not only derailed Doflamingo's 10-year rule but also devastates Big Mom's, Shogun Orochi's, and Kaido's plans.
- Without the trip to Dressrosa, Big Mom would not have been able to capture Sanji. Luffy's brave rescue mission not only helped save Sanji, but also enhanced his reputation as a potential Emperor. Luffy's actions caused significant harm to Charlotte's reputation, ultimately leading to her downfall in Wano.
- In Punk Hazard, Orochi and Kaido's adversaries are present. While rescuing Kin'emon and Momonosuke, they rejuvenate Wano's rebellion against the oppressive Orochi. Momo is revealed to be Oden's son, the scribe of the Roger Pirates. They also unintentionally save Zou from Jack's destruction because Kin'emon and Momo declare it their destination. The red Poneglyph in Zou provides the crucial clue to the Laugh Tale route. It's fair to say that Luffy and Law's journey and Wano's resistance would have failed if he didn't decide to venture onto the perilous island to respond to the distress call.
Edited by jahman on Sep 6th 2023 at 2:21:48 AM
- Vigilante Execution: After the discovery of the body of Dr. Robinson in the graveyard, only the timely intervention of Mrs. Douglas saves Muff Potter from being lynched by the town's residents.
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- There Was a Door: Mrs. Alexis is annoyed at how her mountaineer husband and sons like to climb out second-floor windows to reach the ground rather than going down the stairs and out the door.
The Invisible Detective is a British middle-grade mystery/horror series by Justin Richards that follows two boys named Arthur Drake. The story begins in 2003 when one Arthur is stunned to discover that another Arthur Drake (who is mostly called Art and receives much more page-time than the present-day Arthur) was involved in a series of Gaslamp Fantasy adventures in 1937 as a member of the Cannoniers, a group of Baker Street Regulars for reclusive detective Brandon Lake. However, Lake is an Invented Individual, and the kids solve the cases themselves while getting involved in some increasingly bizarre and dangerous adventures that inspire the present-day Arthur to undertake adventures of his own.
Books:
- The Paranormal Puppet Show/Double Life
- Shadow Beast
- Ghost Soldiers
- Killing Time
- Faces of Evil
- Web of Anubis
- Stage Fright
- Legion of the Dead
Tropes in the novels:
- Bank Robbery: Shadow Beast involves the Cannoniers trying to solve a bank robbery committed by a man who controls a frightening monster.
- Chekhov's Gunman: Two in The Paranormal Puppet Show.
- Arthur Drake's grandfather is mentioned or seen in several chapters (mostly discussing how he has just been put in a retirement home) before it turns out that he is Art Drake from 1937, whose cases Arthur has been reading about as the framing device.
- Arthur's classmate Sarah appears for 2 pages as a new member of the computer club, who Arthur assumes is one of the many girls who joined solely because of their crush on the new teacher. Two books later, it turns out that she is the operator of the website about the Invisible Detective that Arthur has been visiting throughout the series, and the two become best friends.
- Dramatic Dislocation: Flinch can dislocate her joints at will to squeeze through tight spaces.
- Fish out of Temporal Water: One book sees Art and Arthur sent into each others' time periods by the mysterious lodestone.
- Late-Arrival Spoiler: Art and Arthur Drake being grandfather and grandson and the Cannoniers' elderly friend Charlie being the Earl of Fotherington are big twists in the first book but are well-established for the rest of the series.
- Living Lie Detector: Being part of an abusive family has made Meg an expert at noticing liars' tells.
- No One Sees the Boss: Private Detective Brandon Lake only ever talks to people besides his Baker Street Regulars from behind a silhouette-outlining curtain and recruits Charles, the Earl of Frotherington to be his representative in meeting people who want regular updates from a respectable adult about his cases. Lake is an Invented Individual, with one of "his" regulars (Art) providing the silhouette and voice while wearing oversized clothes, while another (Jonny) uses a fishing rod to send messages from the others down to Art whenever he doesn't know what to say to Lake's visitors.
- Those Wacky Nazis: Dr. Bessemer, a Bavarian puppeteer from the first book, is a Nazi agent out to kill the Duke of York and replace him with a robot before the Duke of York becomes king once his brother, King Edward VIII, abdicates.
- Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: The only Azakaban to treat Sirius well is a man named Gibbon, and it turns out this good treatment is because he is a Death Eater sympathizer who thinks Sirius really did betray the Order of the Phoenix.
- Everyone Has Standards: McGonagall mentions that, while Mad Eye Moody has some Knight Templar aspects, he was appalled to learn that the Hogwarts staff assumed he would have ever cast the unforgivable curses instead of students as a learning experience like his imposter Crouch did.
- Improbable Infant Survival: Eliphias Doge's six-year-old granddaughter Bryony is captured by Death Eaters, several of whom show some Would Hurt a Child indications, only to escape when seeing Kreacher causes her to call out for her own family house elf, who appears, grabs her, and disappparates them both to safety.
- If You're So Evil, Eat This Kitten!: After Regulus captures one of Eliphias Doge's granddaughters during a mission, his fellow Death Eaters tell him to use the Imperius curse on the girl largely to observe if he has the resolve to. He makes an effort to, but her magic is too strong, and he doesn’t really want to anyway.
- Rape by Proxy: While trying to set a trap for the Prewett Brothers by using a family of their friends as bait, Avery uses the imperius curse to make the youngest hostage have sex with his mother. This sadistic distraction ruins the trap by making them miss Molly Weasley arriving with her brothers, who she manages to save, at least for then, along with shone of the hostages.
- That Man Is Dead: Regulus feels that Voldemort may have had some goodness or reason (or at least limited restraint) in him once, but he killed the person he used to be the moment he split his soul making a horcrux.
Edited by Alpinist on Sep 7th 2023 at 11:00:57 AM
Hey I got some trope entries I want to add and/or change for Yellowstone but first I want to bring them here for any/or spelling and grammar errors.
- All Take and No Give: John’s relationship with Jamie is this. Despite Jamie doing everything John wanted him to, including becoming a lawyer, John himself never does anything for Jamie, and always considers Jamie his biggest disappointment despite Jamie never having done anything to warrant such disapproval. The lack of respect results in Jamie going against him, declaring John’s impeachment from being Governor.
- Ungrateful Bastard: John’s this to Jamie. John never shows any gratitude for the things Jamie has done to help the Dutton family. This ends up being Deconstructed for John when Jamie turns against him and calls for John’s impeachment.
- Butt-Monkey: Jamie repeatedly gets talked down to, insulted and even hit by members of his family, including Beth (who outright tells him to kill himself more than once and harbors a seemingly-irrational hatred for him) and John (who kicks him out of the ranch when he doesn't drop his bid to be Attorney General). This gets Deconstructed when Jamie decides that he’s had enough of the mistreatment and turns against his own tormentors.
- The Dog Bites Back: He has done this two times in Season 5:
- The first time is when Beth gets arrested after instigating a bar brawl in Bozeman. Jamie gets the other instigator (an out-of-towner who goaded Beth into attacking her) to drop the charges... but agrees to have Beth charged with Disorderly Conduct and sentenced to community service. He has to stop himself from laughing when she walks out of the police station complaining about having to pick up "garbage on the freeway in my spare time".
- The second time is during the midseason finale where Jamie gives Beth a well deserved “The Reason You Suck” Speech. To summarize Jamie says to Beth that her blackmail against him is useless, is well aware that Beth knows John’s actions brings more harm than good for the ranch but isn’t able to convince John otherwise, and how he plans to remove John as a threat to the ranch, while Beth can’t do anything about it. He’s also aware that Beth will try to have him killed, leading him to plan his own assassination on her.
- Extreme Doormat: Jamie is pretty much a doormat in every sense of the word for the Dutton clan and those around him. Jamie acts like a spineless coward and almost never stands up for himself. People repeatedly walk all over him and take advantage, with Jamie always on the receiving end of another beatdown, physical or emotional. Though by Season 5 Jamie is starting to shed this trope by growing a spine.
- Grew a Spine: After spending the whole series being an Extreme Doormat to the Dutton’s abuse, he finally stands up to his adoptive family’s abuse, first by publicly calling for John’s impeachment, then by giving a “The Reason You Suck” Speech towards Beth on how her blackmail material is useless against him and knows that John is a threat to the Dutton Ranch and Jamie plans to stop him.
- For the Evulz: Beth admits to Monica that all the mean things she has said and done is for fun.
- Villainous Breakdown: Beth has one after hearing Jamie’s “The Reason You Suck” Speech. After learning that her blackmail against Jamie is useless compound with the knowledge that her father’s actions will only lead to the Ranch’s ruin, Beth is left in a state of shock being incapable doing anything but spew insults at Jamie and later begging her father to kill Jamie.
- Morality Pet: Monica is this to Beth, with the latter even admitting to Monica that she is the only person that Beth is never mean to and is willing to defend Monica in the most dire of situations.
- Catharsis Factor: Jamie’s “The Reason You Suck” Speech to Beth in Season 5’s midseason finale is very satisfying, especially given the fact that Beth has been abusing Jamie for years and now Jamie finally has her beat where Beth can do nothing but spew insults and beg her father to kill Jamie.
Edited by G-Editor on Sep 6th 2023 at 9:35:54 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff- Common Knowledge: The girl who torments David in "The Nightmare Spirit" is not named "Marra". "Marra" is the name of her spirit's species, not her actual name. She and the Marra don't have confirmed names (only one of the Marra has a confirmed name (Kelly) and she is not the same girl)
Characters.Hilda (The Great Raven)
- Civilized Animal: He is a raven/thunderbird and while he is mostly a bird, beyond his ability to talk to humans, he does occasionally show some human behavior, which is best exemplified in "The Storm", where he is shown sitting on Hilda's sofa wearing a bathrobe while eating pie and drinking cocoa like a human, with a later scene showing him drinking coffee.
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Sep 7th 2023 at 11:48:16 AM
...(a Shaggy parody who says "Zink!" when startled)...
^ A person is a "who", not a "that".
...the Warners bungle up the investigation by riding on Uhuru...
@jahman
...that it caused Elekid and Pikachu to faint almost simultaneously...
...would have failed if he hadn't decided to venture onto the perilous island...
The Spanner in the Works examples suffer from improper Example Indentation in Trope Lists.
If there are two or more examples from the same work, they all need to be on the next level of indentation. In this case, the 1st level (one asterisk) example needs to be with the two second level examples.
Edited by Arivne on Sep 7th 2023 at 6:16:33 AM
I don't see any errors with the English of this example, but it's not a valid straight example of the trope because no execution takes place.
I could be a Subverted example if it tried to make the readers think an execution would take place.

Something I want to add to the Latex Perfection page under the Advertising folder...