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lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#226: Sep 20th 2010 at 5:43:58 AM

One day left and my computer decides to die.

Rebochan from Kalevala (Y2K) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Pipman from Spin Zone Since: Jun, 2010
#228: Sep 20th 2010 at 9:16:48 AM

In one day I'll be playing this while the godless freedom hating Europeans can only gnash their teeth and pleasure themselves.

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#229: Sep 20th 2010 at 3:20:33 PM

@Rebochan Turns out it was a false alarm, but thanks.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#230: Sep 20th 2010 at 9:16:16 PM

Anyone happen to know what time Civ 5's scheduled to be released? I pre-loaded it on Steam, but will I be able to play it at midnight or what? Will I get it faster if I change my computer settings to EST?

edited 20th Sep '10 9:16:45 PM by Clarste

SuperDimensionman "Justice!" from the future. Since: Nov, 2009
"Justice!"
#231: Sep 20th 2010 at 9:18:23 PM

Anyone happen to know what time Civ 5's scheduled to be released? I pre-loaded it on Steam, but will I be able to play it at midnight or what? Will I get it faster if I change my computer settings to EST?

It'll say on the store page. For me, it says 2 days and 19 hours, but since I'm a godless freedom-hating Australian, it's longer than it might be for other people.

edited 20th Sep '10 9:19:29 PM by SuperDimensionman

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#232: Sep 20th 2010 at 9:21:39 PM

Gah, it says approximately 10 hours.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#233: Sep 20th 2010 at 9:53:14 PM

Oh hey, I can download the manual now, so that should kill a few hours.

ninja dinosaurs

I like this manual.

edited 20th Sep '10 10:04:58 PM by Clarste

Pipman from Spin Zone Since: Jun, 2010
#234: Sep 21st 2010 at 6:54:29 AM

Can you feel it my fellow Americans? It is nearly here, spend your last few minutes saying good bye to everyone you know.

JAF1970 Jonah Falcon from New York Since: Jan, 2001
Jonah Falcon
#235: Sep 21st 2010 at 12:12:37 PM

Technically, Civ V is an utter mess. Wow.

Jonah Falcon
Kerrah Since: Jan, 2001
Beforet Since: Jan, 2001
#237: Sep 21st 2010 at 2:46:59 PM

Dammit, this comes out when I got two essays to write.

ColorPrinter Since: Dec, 2011
#238: Sep 21st 2010 at 2:51:28 PM

Downloading demo. TRANSLATION: Screwing over my math homework due tomorrow.

Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#239: Sep 21st 2010 at 3:40:06 PM

My thoughts:

  • Direct X 10 is laggy as shit, and I have a freaking awesome comp.
  • I am ambivalent about the city-states. I don't know if I like them or not.
  • I managed to get lucky and upgrade a Warrior right off the bat. That + Japanese = lots of slaughtered barbarians.
  • The interface... I'd like for the buttons to get the units to do something to be horizontal rather than vertical, but it's not bad.
  • There's quite a delay between turns. Makes the game seem pretty long.
  • And yes, Catherine the Great is still hot, although in a noblewoman sorta way, this time.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
ColorPrinter Since: Dec, 2011
#240: Sep 21st 2010 at 4:37:52 PM

There's no tutorial in the demo.

Thanks. As someone who's never played Civilization (or pretty much any RTS game) and wanted to try it out, I really appreciate that.

Bioelectricclam BEC is my copilot from under the sea Since: Feb, 2010
BEC is my copilot
#241: Sep 21st 2010 at 4:57:49 PM

I'm not into Civ V so much. Kind of too much like Civ Revolutions for my taste. I knew it was a bad sign when I opened the box to find that the tech tree is kind of...sparse...and that a lot of the nice features of Civ IV didn't make it into Civ V. Stuff like the Axemen Chariots Spears triangle is gone, for example. And I miss Religion and its roleplay value, dammit! The character renders and civilopedia are excellent in style, but the actual terrain reminds me of Civ III's crappy look compared to the "Oo! Aah!" reaction I had when I first powered up Civ IV (maybe its because my computer can't run in direct X 10, but I'm getting a definite Real Is Brown vibe). I also freakin' HATE Steam because it always takes what feels like hours to start up my computer when that damn application is running since it is constantly updated just bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs me. I admit I only played like forty turns, but that was enough for me to get bored and load up Civ IV.

Pretty much a big disappointment.

Fear is our ally. The gasoline will be ours. A Honey Badger does not kill you to eat you. It tears off your testicles.
Eriksson Since: Dec, 1969
#242: Sep 21st 2010 at 5:31:57 PM

I'd like city-states more if the entire world didn't turn on you for, say, invading Vienna.

I'm also having issues with DX10, and minimum settings look worse than Civ 4. Please, Firaxis, could you maybe, I don't know, optimize your game before releasing it?

Not sure if I like the new combat system- it makes things more interesting, but the amount of abuse an undefended, unwalled city can take is just silly. Invading Vienna shouldn't be akin to invading Sparta.

It's still a good game, if less deep than Civ 4.

Oh, and seriously, FUCK Vienna. A "cultural" city-state without walls or much of an army shouldn't wipe out 3 Spearmen. >:|

edited 21st Sep '10 5:32:41 PM by Eriksson

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#243: Sep 21st 2010 at 6:14:46 PM

Can't play it yet, since I only have access to my PC a couple months of the year. Hope it's more like IV than III.

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#244: Sep 21st 2010 at 7:32:48 PM

I played the demo as Egypt. It was okay, but I think I'm going to wait until the game is updated and cheaper before I consider buying it.

What was surprising is that the AI didn't spam out settlers. I had 4 cities where they had one or two by the end of the demo. I was also planning on settling a fifth.

edited 21st Sep '10 7:34:42 PM by Matrix

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#245: Sep 21st 2010 at 8:01:21 PM

Hmm, I have mixed feelings.

I like the new combat, it feels much less random and gives more control. I'd hesitate to call it tactical, but it's miles better than the old dice rolling thing they had in all the other games. Also I don't have to worry about infinite super-stacks. I even like the new city-as-unit system. It's not that hard to conquer them, compared to the older games. The cultural border system is also streamlined.

On the other hand, the City-states make the map feel crowded in a way that's very uncomfortable to me. Not to mention the fact that every hates you if you conquer one. You run into them everywhere and it feels hard to expand unless you're actually conquering someone. Oddly enough, rather than promoting diplomacy, they discourage diplomacy since they make it much harder to co-exist peacefully with other empires. Add in the AI's newfound love of putting their second city really far away from their capital, and it's very easy to get cut off.

The city-states aren't all bad though, the bonuses they give you are awesome. Given that gold is the only efficient way to raise them, I wonder if maybe I'm just playing the game wrong. On the other hand, I don't really want to play the game differently.

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#246: Sep 21st 2010 at 8:28:25 PM

Add in the AI's newfound love of putting their second city really far away from their capital, and it's very easy to get cut off.

Rome did this in my game, I was like "wut."

edited 21st Sep '10 8:28:43 PM by Matrix

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#247: Sep 21st 2010 at 8:56:35 PM

It's a viable strategy, maybe. If you do it it really pisses them off though.

Tacitus Since: Jan, 2001
#248: Sep 21st 2010 at 11:08:31 PM

Four hours into it. It's about 540 AD on Normal game speed, Chieftain difficulty (don't judge! I'm learning the new game!), I think 6 or 8 other civs, Standard map... in fact I pretty much did a "Play Now" except I picked Rome instead of Random.

Thoughts so far:

  • Game looks... well, I was gonna say "fugly," but I've gotten used to it and would now describe it as a sort of Impressionist painting. Not a lot of detail vis a vis rivers and cities, but soft and for lack of a better term warm.
  • I've finally stopped misjudging distances on the hex grid. Mostly.
  • Not including the overhauled civic system in the tutorial was a bit of an oversight.
  • I miss religious wars.
  • Combat's not as bad as I thought it'd be, once you stop wondering why anyone would field an army exclusively of spearmen or how those archers just shot you from fifty miles away.
  • The new city borders system feels a lot more conservative compared to earlier games in terms of sheer area covered, but I like not having a set radius for your workers. Makes city placement much more natural and forgiving than the Fat X grid.
    • Nothing is sweeter than founding a city near Athens and buying the hex with the horses in it. Suck it, Alexander.
  • Even on Chieftain, the AI is a Wonder-popping machine. I'm in the Medieval Era and I think I got the Pyramids and the Great Library.
    • First "An unknown motherfucker has completed the Hagia Sophia in the interval before you'd have finished it lol" incident.
  • Alexander is still a git. But he was a git who proved susceptible to Ballistae and Legions, so he wasn't all bad.
  • City-states are awfully high-maintenance. I think I'm going to follow Nobunaga's example and just annex Lhasa and Geneva.
  • Happiness pooled across the empire is a welcome change. You can focus on the big picture instead of keeping those whiny bitches in Cumae placated.
  • Soundtrack has so far been a disappointment (though I recognized one of the classical Industrial pieces from IV in the Europe music). I may have to see if I can import my Civ IV custom soundtracks, assuming the game will play MP3s.
    • I paid the ten extra bucks for, among other things, the game's soundtrack. Where is it? I can find the music tracks by browsing the game files, but everything's in OGG format which means I get to download a different player.
  • Whoever named the achievements was having fun. "I'm On A Boat!" "Exterminate! Exterminate!" "It's Super Effective!"
    • I'm baffled why they needed achievements in this game. Was it mandated in anticipation of a future X Box release? Now I want to see two stereotypical Live fratboy gamers talking smack about their civilizations. "Man, you ain't seen the culture comin' out of Rome, boy!"

The short version is: there's a lot of interesting stuff here, and I'm not raging or anything, but I don't think I'll be uninstalling IV any time soon.

edited 21st Sep '10 11:10:22 PM by Tacitus

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#249: Sep 21st 2010 at 11:44:20 PM

First "An unknown motherfucker has completed the Hagia Sophia in the interval before you'd have finished it lol" incident.

Oh yeah, Bismark took the Great Library from me one turn before I was gonna get it... Sneaky bastid. I think the Oracle was going to come in soon by the end, except the demo ended.

edited 21st Sep '10 11:44:47 PM by Matrix

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#250: Sep 22nd 2010 at 1:27:58 AM

I got the achievement "Seriously?" from letting them beat me to 10 in a row.


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