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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#4826: Nov 5th 2014 at 3:00:25 AM

Aim for the cupola or, depending on position, right below the mantlet (might go into the turret ring) or get him to turn his turret. Though aiming for the cupola still requires a pretty good cannon due to how sloped that thing is. You might also consider loading HE and hoping to score some module damage.

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#4827: Nov 5th 2014 at 12:22:08 PM

Cupola is 160mm effective. So, turret ring, mostly.

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#4828: Nov 5th 2014 at 4:12:13 PM

My advice? Just move on; wait for the T29 to leave the corner it's hiding in, THEN jump it. Trust me, you're gonna take way too much damage trying to goad that sucker out the hard way. Unless you're a heavy as well, in which case you'd best hope he ain't blocking a vital target or something.

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#4829: Nov 5th 2014 at 4:25:07 PM

Seems reasonable. Well, another question, then: what to do in a T29 if, for whatever reason, you can't go hull-down?

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#4830: Nov 5th 2014 at 4:39:48 PM

Panic.

Nah, then you just have to support more and lead less. It's hull is decent for tier 7 though not great

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#4831: Nov 5th 2014 at 4:50:45 PM

Apart from the fact the fact that my IS-1 can easily rape an T29 by shoving 122mm shells in the roof, the T29 seems decent...until it exposes it's hull. To add insult to injury, the KT can pull this dirty trick off with the long 105

So right now I'm fresh installing 9.4 via the torrent download, had to restart my PC and my progress dropped from 5% to 3%

edited 5th Nov '14 4:52:07 PM by RabidTanker

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#4832: Nov 5th 2014 at 4:53:45 PM

Xiv: And that tank fighting alongside tanks from various eras of WWII of which the bulk of the tanks in this game are from or the tanks were meant for is still a notable step away from history. Also Discarding Sabot rounds are not exotic by any stretch of the imagination. Gun fired Saboted projectiles predate modern gun powder by a notable degree. The British had the modern version of the tech in 1944. The technology for powerful Smooth Bore guns is around as well. That wasn't new. Composite armor tech showed up on an American Medium tank in the mid 50's.

Frankly WoT plays fast and loose with everything including technology standards.

edited 5th Nov '14 4:54:49 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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#4833: Nov 5th 2014 at 5:04:47 PM

So I've been chatting with the guys from Wo T Labs recently and they claim that the Maus is the worst Tier X heavy and the ultimate "Fascist Box Tank" due to it's speed, girth, and it's basically using the E 75's gun {which technically makes it the worst tier X heavy in terms of firepower). The IS-7 is average, but the IS-4 is superior (or is it the other way around?), T-62A and Obj.140 are basically the same tank, and they hate the German Gatling gun Glass Cannon and artillery in general (they've been referring it as Ebola recently).

edited 5th Nov '14 5:07:24 PM by RabidTanker

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SgtRicko Since: Jul, 2009
#4834: Nov 5th 2014 at 6:15:48 PM

I'm definitely in agreement with the Maus being the absolute worst Tier X. It's too slow, SP Gs always target it because of how it's an easy to hit target, it can catch fire from the front if hit in the right spot, the gun is lacking, and with the recent allowance of buying APCR rounds with silver, it means tanks have an easier time penetrating it.

The only advantage it has is on maps like Himmelsdorf, where it can easily camp a corner or block off a street, or maps with lots of chokepoints. Open fields are a death sentence for the Maus.

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#4835: Nov 5th 2014 at 6:30:23 PM

The British had the modern version of the tech in 1944. The technology for powerful Smooth Bore guns is around as well. That wasn't new. Composite armor tech showed up on an American Medium tank in the mid 50's.

That's great, but you're not listening to me. Whenever those technologies happened to come about, Wargaming has stated they will not be putting vehicles that utilize that technology into the game. That is the limitation Wargaming is working with, not a certain time period.

And once again, I'm not saying World of Tanks is even remotely historically accurate, simply pointing out that "Historical Accuracy" has been used by Wargaming as a justification for making alterations to the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#4836: Nov 5th 2014 at 8:05:32 PM

Xiv: And that tank fighting alongside tanks from various eras of WWII of which the bulk of the tanks in this game are from or the tanks were meant for is still a notable step away from history. Also Discarding Sabot rounds are not exotic by any stretch of the imagination. Gun fired Saboted projectiles predate modern gun powder by a notable degree. The British had the modern version of the tech in 1944. The technology for powerful Smooth Bore guns is around as well. That wasn't new. Composite armor tech showed up on an American Medium tank in the mid 50's.

Frankly Wo T plays fast and loose with everything including technology standards.

For the most part, WWII tech is only about tier 3 to 7 (wider span for Germany, smaller for France). Below that range is mostly interbellum tanks (though some were still in use when WWII began) and above it is mostly post-war (tier 8's about half-and-half)

APDS =/= APFSDS. Plenty of tanks in-game have APDS, even if it's lumped under APCR, but they're all firing it from rifled guns. The limitations are APFSDS and high-velocity smoothbores, and smoothbores really weren't much of a thing in tank design until the T-62. I don't recall for sure, but I think that there might be a few low-velocity smoothbores that snuck in, but the game has quite specifically avoided high-velocity smoothbores (hence the inclusion of the T-62A instead of the production T-62). And you might also notice that the game has avoided featuring the tanks from the period that actually have composite armor. Everything in-game uses rifled guns, firing a variety of munitions (but all spin-stabilized) and uses steel armor.

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#4837: Nov 7th 2014 at 7:44:58 PM

Let's see what the changes for 9.4 mean. LOL

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#4838: Nov 7th 2014 at 7:51:33 PM

-Pouts-
9.4's update was fucked up. I had to do a clean install to get WoT working.
I got the 105 mm on the T29, though. Holy shit it fires slow (though the wiki says that the second turret helps with the RoF for some reason).

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#4839: Nov 7th 2014 at 7:59:53 PM

Too small sample size, my ISP is still terrible so I was just able to play two games (both in tier 6 T Ds; my ARL brought me to a tier 8 match, my Nashorn made me top tier).

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#4840: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:38:47 PM

[up][up][up] I'm not surprised, I was locked out of the game for most of 9.3

[up][up] From what I learned from my days in the Henschel Tiger, the KT and E 75, the second turret usually means a better reload time.

So I'm at 40-ish% with an clean install, hopefully I won't be locked out this time, haven't played for over an week.

edited 7th Nov '14 10:40:44 PM by RabidTanker

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#4841: Nov 8th 2014 at 7:19:49 AM

Has anyone first impressions of Stalingrad yet?

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#4842: Nov 8th 2014 at 8:08:34 AM

Encountered it once in the T29. It has good places to hide your hull/LFP in.

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#4843: Nov 8th 2014 at 8:41:11 AM

Balmung: The only difference between APDS and APFSDS is the presence of fins. Aside from the fins the technology is identical. Also APFSDS is not limited to high velocity smooth bores. Lower velocity rifled guns can fire them to. It has nothing to do with the gun it is fired from. Also APCR is not a saboted round but a solid round with a specific construction. More specifically just because a shell might look like a saboted round doesn't mean it is.

Xiv: And you skipped the very end of that post. They play fast and lose with everything including technology. Pull the other leg it has bells on it. The bulk of Wo T designs are based on balance rather then history or technology period. They play fast and loose with every aspect of their game.

Also last I checked more then a few higher tier tanks are WWII late war or end of war tank designs.

edited 8th Nov '14 9:20:05 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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#4844: Nov 8th 2014 at 9:41:53 AM

There are some temporal anomalies - the Soviet tier 8 and 9 arty pieces are prewar designs.

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#4845: Nov 8th 2014 at 10:24:33 AM

Yep and for the same reasons there are a mix of tanks, tech, and historic items across the board. Balance is king because it is an arcade sim Pv P game. Balance rules over pretty much everything else. Every time they introduce a new tank to the lines you can count on adjustments to address balance in the wild.

edited 8th Nov '14 10:25:02 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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#4846: Nov 8th 2014 at 10:25:59 AM

It's one of those cases of Super Prototype. Quite literally in Some cases.

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#4847: Nov 8th 2014 at 10:32:45 PM

Finally got to play Stalingrad. Was in my T-43, only did 814 damage, but I was the spotter on the left side because the AMX 12t just suiscouted. I died eventually but I still got 888 spotting damage.

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#4848: Nov 8th 2014 at 10:45:34 PM

Warning. Error extracting update file. Click "Retry" to reload. For details, see log file.

Back to 52% for me.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#4849: Nov 9th 2014 at 3:18:32 AM

At least you guys didn't run into the "stuck at Battle Loading screen" issue. Got two AFK warnings because the games simply won't load beyond it, and only left it when your team won or lost.

xivxav Guh? Since: May, 2009
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#4850: Nov 9th 2014 at 7:34:15 AM

Xiv: And you skipped the very end of that post. They play fast and lose with everything including technology. Pull the other leg it has bells on it. The bulk of Wo T designs are based on balance rather then history or technology period. They play fast and loose with every aspect of their game.

Also last I checked more then a few higher tier tanks are WWII late war or end of war tank designs.

Except they don't. I will admit, having looked around for where this policy was enumerated, I was wrong about the composite armor. The line is reactive armor, not composite. Either way, I honestly cannot understand why you're so resistant to the idea that Wargaming has drawn a line in the sand at vehicles that use smoothbores or certain armor types. Here's For the Record on an interview with the Devs:

"when introducing new tanks, the age of the tank is not the main issue, the limit is the appearance of electronic fire control systems, smoothbores, reactive armor – those will definitely never appear in World of Tanks" Link

edited 9th Nov '14 7:35:20 AM by xivxav


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