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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
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#1: Nov 29th 2010 at 7:36:23 AM

Pants-Free and Not Wearing Pants are the same. Unless Not Wearing Pants is the dream-specific version, in which case it's misleadingly named and some Pants-Free examples don't belong.

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Micah from traveling the post-doc circuit Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#2: Nov 29th 2010 at 8:55:56 AM

Pants-Free: a sight gag where a character is first seen from the waist up and then revealed to be pantsless.

Not Wearing Pants: the thing where you're dreaming and naked or in your underwear.

Which is to say, they're not at all the same trope, but they probably could both use a rename to clarify this.

edited 29th Nov '10 8:57:28 AM by Micah

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#3: Nov 29th 2010 at 8:58:42 AM

Including the word Dream or Dreaming in the new title of Not Wearing Pants would probably clear up the confusion and misuse.

Pantsless Dream? Pantless Dream Realization?

edited 29th Nov '10 8:59:45 AM by ccoa

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
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#4: Nov 29th 2010 at 9:35:24 AM

Ok, well, there are examples that are in both, and no examples belong in both.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#5: Nov 29th 2010 at 9:54:17 AM

There are no examples where they're first shown from the waist up and are then shown to be pantsless and dreaming? I find that hard to believe. One is a camera work gag. The other is a common dream staple.

edited 29th Nov '10 9:55:08 AM by shimaspawn

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Nov 29th 2010 at 10:13:33 AM

No, he's saying that no example should be listed in both of them. It's either one or the other. But right now there are a number of examples that are on both pages. I'm not sure that I'd say they never are used together, but it's very rare.

edited 29th Nov '10 10:15:35 AM by Madrugada

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#7: Nov 29th 2010 at 10:16:35 AM

Really? I've often seen them used together. The camera not showing us the lack of pants until the character realises that they're lacking pants.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#9: Nov 29th 2010 at 10:33:26 AM

Yes. It's what helps hide the revelation that this is a dream from the audience.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
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#10: Nov 29th 2010 at 12:37:52 PM

Am I wrong? The Homer Simpson example stood out, but I haven't seen the episode for a while, does it qualify under both tropes?

[down]Fair enough.

edited 29th Nov '10 1:23:07 PM by HersheleOstropoler

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#11: Nov 29th 2010 at 12:40:37 PM

I don't know the Simpsons well enough to tell you. There are probably some in the wrong place, but there will be some overlap between the tropes.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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