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MildGuy I squeeze gats. from the bed I made. Since: Jan, 2011
I squeeze gats.
#276: Apr 28th 2011 at 11:43:40 AM

Accomplished as in... plot developments? The wikipedia article lists those off, so I don't need to copy paste them here. If that's nothing happening then its the best and most eventful nothing happening I've ever read.

But accomplish? As a book in the middle of the series it accomplished the only thing it needed to: continuing to tell the story. I'm guess I'm not getting what you mean by accomplishment.

For me, a series book like this failing to accomplish anything would be several hundred pages of characters chasing down Plot Coupons with little to no (or only rote) character development happening. Maybe that's the way some people see AFFC, but I don't look see it that way. I like what's happening with Arya, Cersei, Stoneheart, and Brienne, though with so many characters to cover we don't get as many "steps" in their development before the book ends, is that what you mean? Too many characters in too short a space? 90% of the stuff happening to and being done by these characters felt important to me.

Though I do agree it's not the best book in the series thus far. Hard to beat Storm of Swords and Clash of Kings. And Sam's POV was pretty bleh. We'll have to see what Dance of Dragons covers. It'll still have the problem of many characters vs only so many pages, but I'm not that worried. One chapter or a dozen per character, I know ol' George will deliver.

zerky Since: Jan, 2001
#277: Apr 28th 2011 at 12:37:39 PM

Woo! Not gonna put a preorder on it this time, but when it does come out, zerky's heading straight down to Chapters. :D

blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#278: Apr 28th 2011 at 3:50:34 PM

Actually, I'd say it was too many characters in too long a space. That's what makes it filler. If he'd cut things down by half, it'd be better. And it'd be nice if he had doubled the events happening.

To put it another way, we got too many steps that didn't go far enough.

Now don't get me wrong, I did like what we got, but I also can't say it did much.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#279: Apr 29th 2011 at 5:46:09 AM

It probably didn't help A Feast for Crows's odds that fan-favorite character Jon, Dany, and Tyrion weren't in it.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#280: Apr 29th 2011 at 9:50:32 AM

I wanna know what happened to Davos, personally. The Manderlys are too fat and jolly to actually kill popular POV characters, right? Right?

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#281: Apr 29th 2011 at 10:33:54 AM

Despite the series' Anyone Can Die reputation, very few main characters have managed to die and stay dead so far. I'll believe Davos is dead when I see it described firsthand.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Nornagest Since: Jan, 2001
#282: Apr 29th 2011 at 10:45:27 AM

I was actually a little disappointed when Theon turned out not to be dead. The cliffhanger is a well-established technique, but drawing the gap between predicament and resolution out into book length is a cheap trick.

I will keep my soul in a place out of sight, Far off, where the pulse of it is not heard.
blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#283: Apr 29th 2011 at 11:10:41 AM

I assume Theon would rather BE dead than alive at this point

And Martin has had time to write Davos out of whatever predicament he was put in.

Dream_Huntress Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#284: Apr 29th 2011 at 8:06:11 PM

You know the book is really done when the editor herself comes out and says it, and makes a video of it:

I can't have you close, so I become a ghost and I watch you, I watch you.
blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#285: Apr 29th 2011 at 9:42:44 PM

Or they just know we're more and more suspicious of them.

EldritchBlueRose The Puzzler from A Really Red Room Since: Apr, 2010
The Puzzler
#286: Apr 30th 2011 at 8:00:21 AM

[up] And why should they care if people are getting more and more suspicious of them?

Has ADD, plays World of Tanks, thinks up crazy ideas like children making spaceships for Hitler. Occasionally writes them down.
blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#287: Apr 30th 2011 at 1:35:46 PM

I know a few people who claim to have written off Martin and his publisher(s) because of the delay.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#288: Apr 30th 2011 at 2:09:25 PM

Holy crap, that's a lot of paper.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
syvaris Since: Dec, 2009
#289: Apr 30th 2011 at 4:25:26 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Massive Nergasm just now, that is HUGE!!!

You will never love a women as much as George Lucas hates his fans.
Epyon Since: Jun, 2010
#290: May 2nd 2011 at 11:46:50 AM

And that's just the new character appendix.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#291: May 2nd 2011 at 6:55:34 PM

Why would you want Theon to be dead? That would be a pretty unsatisfying death if true.

Epyon Since: Jun, 2010
#292: May 2nd 2011 at 9:27:23 PM

Yeah, Littlefinger killed Joffrey, Tyrion killed Tywin, Cersei is probably gonna get taken down by Dany (the whole bested by a queen younger and more beautiful then you prophecy), I want the Starks to have a hand in defeating at least one antagonist.

blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#293: May 2nd 2011 at 10:13:27 PM

I hope we get Ned Stark's dream at least.

You know the one.

Dream_Huntress Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#294: May 14th 2011 at 4:07:34 PM

On the forums of Westeros.org they got some news, apparently a new POV has been added to "A Dance With Dragons", and everything points to Barristan Selmy as the new POV character. Gonna look for link for this info.

I can't have you close, so I become a ghost and I watch you, I watch you.
blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#296: May 14th 2011 at 5:16:31 PM

I'm betting we'll get more history through him.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#297: May 15th 2011 at 5:07:29 PM

Watching the show, I'm reminded that I still don't get why Littlefinger fucked everything up.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#299: May 15th 2011 at 7:40:21 PM

I finished A Clash Of Kings recently, and was reminded of why I love this series so much.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
LuckyRevenant ALMSIVI from The Flood Since: Jan, 2001
ALMSIVI
#300: May 16th 2011 at 12:28:04 AM

Goddamn that took you a while.

Clash of Kings was actually the book that made me fall in love with the series. I thought A Game of Thrones was okay but nothing brilliant, but Clash really got to me

"I can't imagine what Hell will have in store, but I know when I'm there, I won't wander anymore."

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