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DevilSketch36 Since: May, 2020
#21701: Dec 19th 2021 at 5:26:11 AM

Honestly, YA media and anime could take some notes from one another to better both genres. Yeah, props to Serena, she went for it.

Oh yeah, I forgot. She was so nice and chill throughout the show so it was pretty unexpected. Plus it really helped out Ash at the moment since he was going through a losing streak and winner mentality.

A lot of aspects about Serena's character are very underrated. Just because she had a crush doesn't mean it was the only thing about her, and they used that crush to do something interesting. More media should learn from that.

Shad0wSmoke Since: Nov, 2013
#21702: Dec 19th 2021 at 12:25:32 PM

[up] Exactly! A character that's bold but not to the point of being forceful or excessive about it isn't too common so it's a nice thing to see. She reminds me of Isabella from Phineas and Ferb although she could get a bit too obsessive at times.

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#21703: Dec 19th 2021 at 1:07:08 PM

...Hiding your feelings for 140 episodes then stealing a kiss just before you leave for good is being open and bold?

Does anyone actually read these?
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#21704: Dec 19th 2021 at 1:13:47 PM

It’s typical Shonen 101 at handling romantic interest honestly.

At least she wasn’t Tsundere.!

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#21705: Dec 19th 2021 at 1:24:46 PM

It's far more ship teasy than previous ships but that's hardly an achievement in and of itself

I would say Serena's actual development wasn't "getting bold" about her crush, it was getting decisive about her goal in life other than following a boy she met years ago for some days that didn't really remember their meeting and having some agency for herself

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precita Since: Jan, 2014
#21706: Dec 19th 2021 at 6:16:09 PM

Given the type of show Pokemon is where Ash's character has to stay forever, plus they probably already knew at the time how much they would re-tool him and the show when the SM anime started, it's pretty obvious they had to wait to Serena's final episode to give the ship some closure at the time before moving on.

I also imagine that's why Serena doesn't have any cameo in the current series, and unlike say May's VA situation, there's nothing preventing them from having her appear for a few eps. They just probably figure it's difficult to continue her character where it was left off, and knowing she would only be around 2-3 eps before leaving again, they're simply letting her be.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#21707: Dec 19th 2021 at 8:09:38 PM

Serena is in the Amy Rose department of romantic affection; in that the object of her affection will never reciprocate as that would break the established status quo of the series.

So kind of hard to do a romance arc with a main character as dense as Ash.

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LilyLopunny Cleanup specialist from middle of nowhere Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
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#21708: Dec 19th 2021 at 8:37:16 PM

Ash seems more like the Love You and Everybody type, imo.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#21709: Dec 19th 2021 at 8:47:12 PM

Ahh the classic "Fuck you" answer

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#21710: Dec 19th 2021 at 9:02:42 PM

[up] Pfft

Also Ash will never reciprocate a girl's feelings because the ONE girl he had anything close to feelings for turned out to be a jerk seconds after learning of her.

Edited by VengefulBale on Dec 19th 2021 at 11:02:54 AM

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#21711: Dec 20th 2021 at 2:28:30 AM

Come now, nobody was expecting Serena to even kiss Ash in the first place. On the lips no less.

And the Alola League shows that Ash winning a Pokémon League is not impossible at all.

And Journeys has been noted by many fans to be a "Goh show" with Ash being pushed to the sidelines, to the point he and Pikachu actually missed a main episode for the first time ever, with Goh being the focus.

Stranger things have happened in this anime, and never say never.

DevilSketch36 Since: May, 2020
#21712: Dec 20th 2021 at 5:00:00 AM

[up]x6 Well we could some episodes where she's getting training/feedback in Hoenn.

Or returned since the Grand Showcase contest will be starting soon, and wants to have a real battle with Ash to prepare, only to meet up with Greninja and Zygardes to deal with the remaining (remnants I think) vines that keep popping up.

Hell, Bonnie should be old enough to start her gym journeys.


[up]x2 I forgot Gizelle or whatever her name existed.

Well when Ash grows older, he'll probably pick Serena anyway.

Gotta love when this anime started taking more risks that more.

Shad0wSmoke Since: Nov, 2013
#21713: Dec 21st 2021 at 4:31:02 AM

...Hiding your feelings for 140 episodes then stealing a kiss just before you leave for good is being open and bold?

Was she hiding her feelings? It's been awhile but I had the impression she was open about it, just not outright confessing and wanting to see signs of Ash reciprocating first. Like Isabella from Phineas and Ferb. Probably not as bold as outright confessing first but that's about the best one can do in a non-romance show. Although it's better than love interests in a bunch of teen romance media already.

Edited by Shad0wSmoke on Dec 21st 2021 at 4:31:12 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#21714: Dec 23rd 2021 at 8:19:59 AM

Cross-posting this from the general Pokemon thread.

Episode 8 of Pokemon Evolutions got uploaded. It's based on Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! and is about Green trying to track down the most powerful Pokemon in Kanto.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#21715: Dec 23rd 2021 at 10:36:17 AM

This one was a little goofier (even Mewtwo was like ''what do you mean, be your Pokemon?!) which I was ok with.

Huh. I assumed the Lets Go heroes were meant to be at least a little younger than Red, Green and Blue, but no. They all look to be pretty close in age (though it's pokemon. Telling age by appearance isn't a good way to do it).

Also, pretty surprising they went with Blue, as well as the Lets Go Heroine and Trace rather than Red and Green. I guess because they are more recent. This is the first ever appearance for the Female PC in anything, which is pretty cool (poor Leaf is now the Kris to Green's Lyra....but Green did kinda come first, so I guess it's fair).

One Strip! One Strip!
LilyLopunny Cleanup specialist from middle of nowhere Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
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#21716: Dec 24th 2021 at 3:25:30 AM

Aren't Red and Blue also like 20 in-universe at this point?

Where exactly does Let's Go fit timeline-wise? Rocket is still active but Red and Blue already had their journeys? Is this a universe/timeline where they never met Team Rocket or something?

Edited by LilyLopunny on Dec 24th 2021 at 3:25:55 AM

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precita Since: Jan, 2014
#21717: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:20:26 AM

New preview shows Butch and Cassidy coming back for the first time since DP in 2007...

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#21718: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:34:17 AM

My god. It’s been that long.

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LilyLopunny Cleanup specialist from middle of nowhere Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
Cleanup specialist
#21719: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:36:53 AM

I guess they didn't starve in that desert after all.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#21720: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:45:27 AM

Next thing you know, they’ll actually bring back Pidgeot as well.[lol]

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 24th 2021 at 10:45:52 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#21721: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:47:53 AM

Why not Primeape or Larvitar?

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#21722: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:51:35 AM

This is why I love Go, it really does let them bring back whoever they want, even minor one episode off characters from the games.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
precita Since: Jan, 2014
#21723: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:51:48 AM

Also since Jigglypuff returned back in SM, I'm really surprised it hasn't shown up in this series yet. Seeing Go trying to capture Jigglypuff and it drawing on his face is something you would expect to happen eventually.

LilyLopunny Cleanup specialist from middle of nowhere Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
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#21724: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:59:14 AM

I feel like Jigglypuff is only a matter of time. Probably whenever Misty and Brock inevitably come back again as well.

Personally, I want Ash to use his old Pokemon more. And more former rivals than Gary need to show up. Where's Paul or Nando during all the Sinnoh promotion, for example?

Edited by LilyLopunny on Dec 24th 2021 at 11:03:24 AM

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#21725: Dec 24th 2021 at 11:07:41 AM

[up] You wish the anime would even use Ash's older Pokemon for something besides cheap nostalgiabait previews for Goh-focused episodes where they make 3 second appearances and then get dumped

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