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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
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#20376: Jan 27th 2020 at 9:23:29 PM

I'm actually surprised at how polarizing Go is 10 episodes in. I get that he was going to be polarizing since this fandom is so large that it is to be expected, but I'm rather baffled at the way he's polarizing the fanbase. People on Twitter love or hate him based on where you stand on the Ash-Go shipping, but it's mostly love and memes from what I've seen. People on Serebii argue that the structure of his goal is uninteresting and find him to be a Marty Stu. I personally don't believe in Mary Sue as a concept and just find the story just poorly structured and told, but I can understand. Bulbagarden seems to hate him because he's taking creatures from their habitat and denying them any satisfaction to their lives like a psycho. This is the argument I have the most issues with. When did they start caring about satisfaction in pokemon lives again?

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#20377: Jan 27th 2020 at 9:25:50 PM

They're just mad he's Ash most feminine male companion with the eyelashes, blushing, and everything while still being as happy and energetic as Ash is about learning about pokemon.

Hell Ash is looking to be joining in recruiting a lot more pokemon than usual in GO himself.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 27th 2020 at 9:26:27 AM

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precita Since: Jan, 2014
#20378: Jan 28th 2020 at 4:42:16 AM

He’s polarizing because he’s capturing everything in sight but so far there’s no payoff to it. He feels like a Pokémon Go ad. His personality is fine so far but I hope he doesn’t just stay like this for the next 140 episodes or whatever.

I feel most recent companions are polarizing anyway. Iris, Serena because of her crush, etc. Mainly because nowadays each companion is largely remembered because of one specific trait they had rather than their characters as a whole.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#20379: Jan 28th 2020 at 5:01:02 AM

The payoff is actually having the pokemon. There doesn't need to be anything more than that.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20380: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:09:19 AM

Generally speaking, captures tend to be treated pretty significantly and main characters tend to have limited teams to allow for more focus on the individual characterization of the Pokemon.

It's why Ash never uses more than six Pokemon at a time, and if he does, the additional mons tend be to be lacking in personality.

Since Go just wants to catch as many Pokemon as possible, the series has no time to treat each capture he does significantly and why his Pokemon lack any personality beyond his Scorbunny. So functionally speaking, Go only has one Pokemon with a character.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#20381: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:18:17 AM

His Dewgong is super horny. Like he saw a girl Dewgong and got so girl crazy he outright stranded Go and Ash to chase her.

Just seems to me people want the same stale formula over and over instead of trying something different.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 28th 2020 at 6:18:36 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20382: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:23:03 AM

I certainly don't mind the change, but its certainly different to adjust to.

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precita Since: Jan, 2014
#20383: Jan 28th 2020 at 8:52:47 AM

In a show capturing a bunch of Pokémon doesn’t really work because we just see them in 1 episode and they’re dumped in a lab. Gary did the same thing in Season 1 but all of it was off-screen so it didn’t matter and of course he wasn’t a main character.

There’s a reason Ash’s BW team where he had 9 Pokémon in a single region didn’t work. Ash works better with small teams as do the companions. Most of Misty/Brock’s captures in Kanto/Johto hardly got any screentime or appearances for this reason too.

Go just has Scorbunny with him permanently but everything else is just one and done...at least so far. Maybe they’ll change this set up as the season goes on.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20384: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:07:22 AM

I certainly prefer trying something different, than just sticking with the same formula.

Why even watch unless you're just content with the same thing over and over again.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#20385: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:17:50 AM

The pokemon have popped up in other episodes though. Like we even saw them all interacting not even a couple weeks ago when they did the gag involving Metapod becoming paste at the lab. Are they going to use them all in Adventures? No. Will we get to see them hanging out every once in awhile at the lab? Sure.

It just seems no nitpicky. Especially when they were caught to help the professors research.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 28th 2020 at 9:18:12 AM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#20386: Jan 28th 2020 at 9:49:51 AM

It's ironic that for the first time in the anime's history, we get a co-protagonist who's set to do exactly what the entire franchise was built and revolves around (Gotta Catch 'Em All!) and a portion of the fandom is hating him for it.

I mean, it's the "Pokemón" slogan.

And that's exactly what Go is set out to do.

(Also, in his own odd line of thinking, I actually agree with that his goal is still sound, as if Mew contains a bit of every pokemon ever existing and has existed, then collecting all of the others might be like one of those quests where you collect a ton of feathers, flags or something else, to get the big prize.)

Like "Collect all 807 pokemon and you get a Mew for free" event something...Current progress ?/807"

(???)

(Now I'm curious... If you take the DNA of every single pokemon and put them all together, would the result be a Mew-Egg?)

(Curious...)

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20387: Jan 28th 2020 at 10:13:56 AM

It's incredibly ironic yea.

The original reason Ash didn't catch that many Pokemon was because he was legitimately a terrible and incompetent trainer that was lagging behind everyone else; it was constantly pointed out how little Pokemon Ash caught all of the time.

But when the series became a full on ad for the games, and Ash became the generic Shonen protagonist that he is now, it's never addressed why he doesn't catch many mons at all.

So it's rather funny to see a main character actually embody the original premise of the series without being an ironic take on it.

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#20388: Jan 28th 2020 at 10:40:56 AM

He mostly just builds his team and that's it, and out of universe, it's so the Pokemon can get focus, even if the likes of Greninja tend to get the spotlight.

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STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#20389: Jan 28th 2020 at 10:52:07 AM

I mean XY and SM has been the closest series where all of Ash's Pokemon got development, with different weaknesses (XY: Talonflame could've done a bit more, Goodra's competency in the league and was gone for a bit too long, Noviern's always debate), (SM: Rowlet didn't do much during season 2, Nanagadeel didn't get a chance to do much till its departure and return).

Yeah, the hatred against Go has bothered me. He's got a goal and a fun personality and they're giving him character flaws.

DonaldthePotholer from Miami's In-State Rival Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#20390: Jan 28th 2020 at 11:17:29 AM

Black: I think that there was a subtle philosophy change once Shudo left re: Ash's methodology. Ash's incompetence eventually evolved into a Quality over Quantity argument. This somewhat resonated with the writing because there was a Conservation of Personality in play: the writers could only write so many characters without splitting/degrading them.

Admittedly, it was also an out for the same reason that they likely went with the Stock Shōnen Hero: at the end of the day, nobody wants to be told This Loser Is You for years. Ash as an incompetent Audience Surrogate worked short-term because the franchise was new at the time, but those who keep with him over long generations wanted to see Ash grow as they grow. This is why the dumbing down of Ash, and by extension everyone (not just Ash) staying the same age, was so divisive: on the one hand we got the incompetent-that-we-could-laugh-at back, but it was at the expense of whatever growth Ash received through the series to that point.

The only part about Go that I can presently rule on is his Pokemon catching policy, which, like Precita, I find reminiscent of Gary. As for Go as a character, I'm not going to make a judgement based on just 10 episodes. Besides, we could be looking at Ash as The Mentor with Go as the mentee, and the series thus far strikes me as the kid's version of a Buddy Cop Show. Which is, to an extent, what I thought that the "Sun & Moon" saga should have been, instead of having a school as a (functionally useless) Framing Device; at least Dr. Cherry Blossom seems functional as a Mission Control and/or The Team Benefactor...note 

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STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#20391: Jan 28th 2020 at 3:44:21 PM

What was wrong with Kukui?

precita Since: Jan, 2014
#20392: Jan 28th 2020 at 4:55:49 PM

Nothing, Kukui was one of the best developed SM characters.

STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#20393: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:27:46 PM

Kk.

I'm not sure whether or not Ash should capture a Sobble or a Grooky. On one hand, he just had a grass starter in Alola. On the other, Greninja was super popular and Inteleon shares similar stats, but having a repeat would feel redundant. On the other, Ash never really picks the slower starters. On the other, Inteleon could fight a bit differently than Greninja. For example, Inteleon's much more sneaky and focuses more on long range, and sneak attacks while Greninja goes all in the action. Then again, Ash hasn't been the best at handling slower Pokemon, but I can argue Torterra was screwed by the writers, but Grotle got some wins. And Ash has used slower, more defensive, stronger Pokemon before: Snorlax, Goodra, Memetal, and technically Pignite and Boldore. Improving on Torterra's arc would work, especially since from his battle with Mr. Mine, we know that Ash can work better with Pokemon catered to a more defensive fighting style

By the way, there's Grooky Gang, Sobble Squad, what's Scorbunny's gang name....Scorers? Scorchers?

Oh apparently, there are rumors Ash is catching a Grookey and a Riolu. Thoughts on that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr_UXzHO01U

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#20394: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:34:29 PM

Surprising he wasn't given a Riolu in Sinnoh, looking back.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#20395: Jan 28th 2020 at 6:38:24 PM

Yeah. They took their time with that one.

Perhaps they thought it was too powerful for him?

Or maybe they just figured it'd be redundant since he'd get Infernape eventually. While's he's occasionally had a few overlapping types (Pidgeotto and Butterfree, Squirtle and Lapras, Chikorita and Bulbasaur, Noivern, Talonflame and Hawlucha, as well as Goodra since both it and Noivern are dragon type), maybe they didn't want to have two fighting types specifically.

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DonaldthePotholer from Miami's In-State Rival Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#20396: Jan 28th 2020 at 7:15:41 PM

Basically, what I said was that Dr. Kukui didn't really fill The Team Benefactor role

...then again, neither did any of the professors prior to Dr. Cherry Blossom.

And, yes, Ash should have had the Riolu from the Ranger 2 special as his Sinnoh Sixth Ranger; the nascent Psychic Link between them was a huge beacon towards that. Then again, Sinnoh was full of missed opportunities (e.g. Gary versus Paul)

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#20397: Jan 28th 2020 at 7:26:18 PM

Oh wow. I'd have loved Gary vs Paul now that you mention it.

Who are we taking as the winner for that one?

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precita Since: Jan, 2014
#20398: Jan 29th 2020 at 4:15:53 AM

If he got Riolu/Lucario back in DP it likely would have overshadowed Infernape who was Ash's main pokemon of the saga, so that's probably why it didn't happen. That and Lucario still had this "OP" status in the anime back then where it was viewed as insanely powerful like a legendary. But they toned it down in recent sagas, Kukui's Lucario was probably the weakest one we've seen, and then Ash beat Korrina's Mega Lucario in XY.

STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#20399: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:00:21 AM

Still, not a terrible Lucario. Gary vs Paul would be pretty rad but I forgot most of Gary's pokemon lol.

Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#20400: Jan 29th 2020 at 5:25:45 AM

The only Pokémon I associate with Gary is Raticite thanks to festival of champions. I even named the one I caught when I was playing sun and moon at the time "Gary's angst" lol

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