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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8251: Oct 20th 2024 at 3:37:10 AM

[up][up] Both shows probably also had different writers.

Like I'm not saying Prime is perfect but the writing is monumentally better compared to RID which has a serious issue of having the characters repeat the same teamwork lessons over and over again. That in itself is poor writing, even for an episodic kids show it is monumentally lazy to have Strongarm and Sideswipe constantly relearning the ability to work together over and over again.

Plus the very poor handling of Optimus which raises a lot of continuity issues. Ignoring Micronus teaching him basic lessons he already knows they don't even acknowledge him as the reincarnation of the 13th Prime which he is in the Aligned continuity.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#8252: Oct 20th 2024 at 4:29:51 AM

[up]I probably wasn't paying enough attention to notice that but I do recall the episodes being repetitive. The "comedy" wasn't good either.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8253: Oct 20th 2024 at 5:21:57 AM

Yeah everything from what I've seen/read about it indicates it as a very sloppy show.

On one hand it is an unworthy sequel to Prime, with returning elements like Optimus and Megatronus being poorly used and the third season falling apart due to failing its attempted myth arc with the Cybertron council.

But by its own merits paints as too rigidly episodic being too unwilling to branch out of its status quo or meaningfully change its characters. Worst case is how even during season 3 they are still doing "team learning how to work as a team" plotlines which also makes Bumblebee even more of a failure as a leader.

Bee in RID 2015 is like an inferior version of Primal's whole arc where he grows into being the leader of a ragtag squad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#8254: Oct 21st 2024 at 1:18:54 AM

Speaking of Prime, that fan film animation Galvatron's Revenge premiered on a Prime Animations livestream Saturday. We have a Tropes article for it here

And here's the livestream

(film starts at 1:07)

I'm not well versed in Prime, I own the first five episodes on DVD and that's basically it, so let me know what you guys think of the film and if it 'aligns' (oh god, my bad puns)

Still can't wrap my head around the film making a profit despite being unofficial. If you donate $50 to the Gofundme, you get a single disc blu-ray as a 'gift', and for $100 you get a t-shirt and two-disc edition with bonus features (all animatics from the sequel movie yet to come apparently)

Edited by Zarius on Oct 21st 2024 at 1:20:06 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8255: Oct 21st 2024 at 1:36:11 AM

Haven't watched it but I appreciate bringing in characters like the Combaticons. Shame despite their popularity they and other characters made no further appearances in the Aligned continuity, especially on Prime due to its infamous budget issues.

Which on that subject I now realize Predaking's status as the world's strongest being (barring Unicron) was a way to not need to add anymore new villains to the show. As by actually committing to the bit Predaking provides a way for the increasingly smaller villain faction outnumbered by the huge cast of heroes to maintain their menace.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#8256: Oct 21st 2024 at 8:23:01 AM

Yeah. Predaking was (no pun intended) a Beast.

It taking Unicron himself to stop him says a lot about just how powerful he truly is.

As for RID 2015. I've gone back and forth on it. I didn't much care for it when it did air, but there were some eps I kinda liked. I never truly devoted myself to watching it however. It was nice to see Bulkhead and Ratchet again. I'm irked Arcee was the only OG Team Prime member to never return.

And it did re-introduce combining, which was cool. There haven't been many series airing on TV that have done that yet.

There's little doubt that they were more interested in their own stories than in anything that happened previously in Prime.

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Filip04 Since: Nov, 2023
#8257: Oct 21st 2024 at 8:31:11 AM

Given that we are talking about Aligned Universe...

My Aligned Universe headcanon: Between the events of ending of Robots In Disguise and beginning of Rescue Bots Academy, Steeljaw got finally captured by Team Bee, explaining why Autobots and Decepticons live together peacefully at the end of timeline of this Universe and why Bumblebee and Grimlock aren't worried that Steeljaw wants to turn Earth into Decepticon Haven, thus explaining why they became teachers at the Academy.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#8258: Oct 21st 2024 at 5:11:08 PM

I'd have second thoughts about that fan project. It's been going on for years and I've seen some pretty damning evidence that some of the crew are reactioanries.

I once tried to advise the creator that he might not want to associate with the ripperverse, when he did a promo for it, and his replies had some troubling implications. Referring to how its a refuge for those being "left behind", and considering he has Orbital Bacon in his cast, a guy documented as having made some bigoted remarks about lgbtq members of the TF community, it doesn't reflect well on them.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#8259: Oct 21st 2024 at 5:20:05 PM

Anywho, I recently happen on this animatic which portrays a prologue to Transformers: Rise of the Beasts au that's Truer to the Text, and more importantly, very good.

Edited by Avenger09 on Oct 21st 2024 at 1:20:43 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8260: Oct 21st 2024 at 6:49:49 PM

[up][up] Oh thats a huge shame to hear. Pretty disappointing.

[up] While I wouldn't say they are the best of all time, Scourge and the Terrorcons are lowkey favs of mine. I enjoy their designs and especially Battletrap and Nightbird for being supplemental villains with personality and voices compared to the majority of the Bayformers films.

Plus they along with Shatter and Dropkick show its feasible to make a movie without Megatron as the main antagonist.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#8261: Oct 21st 2024 at 6:56:18 PM

Yeah, and Transformers One showed us how great he can be as one.

ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#8262: Oct 22nd 2024 at 9:08:11 PM

I’m genuinely curious as what do people think of Transformers comics under their various publishers.

I’ve never read the G1 Marvel comics and they’re going to be reprinted soon. I’ve been digging into older comics recently.

Edited by ChicoTheParakeet on Oct 22nd 2024 at 12:15:32 PM

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#8263: Oct 22nd 2024 at 9:42:47 PM

The original G1 comics are the original source material for the franchise, and at their worst, they are on par with the original cartoon (which is both a positive and a negative). At their best, they're known for decent cosmic adventure.

The IDW comics produced some very, very good material, and became the basis for worldbuilding in more recent Transformers media. The James Roberts More Than Meets the Eye run is an outright classic.

The Skybound comics running right now have been very well received.

In general, comics have been a good medium for Transformers, even with some duds like the Dreamwave years.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8264: Oct 23rd 2024 at 1:27:02 AM

[up][up] Oh yeah speaking of the OG comic, Skybound has confirmed they are releasing a compendium omnibus collecting the original Marvel run next year.

Book 1 will collect the entire American series and Headmasters miniseries while Book will collect the UK.

And there are already talks about recollecting the IDW books.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 23rd 2024 at 1:27:24 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#8265: Oct 23rd 2024 at 6:52:58 AM

It should be mentioned that IDW took forever to get "good". For years their stories were disparate story arcs taking place at different points in time in the continuity and a lot of them were very mid to objectionablecoughcoughcough, with a few standalone stories standing out (Last stand of the Wreckers being the major one).

All Hail Megatron was the soft reboot that lead to the more beloved and appreciated era of the books. As a result, it's hard to get someone into IDW because there's no easy jumping on point. Even All Hail Megatron and the stuff that comes after assumes you read the rest (like the dead universe stuff).

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 23rd 2024 at 9:53:50 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#8266: Oct 23rd 2024 at 6:54:20 AM

[up] Even then, it still had some stumbles. Such as it's frequent mishandling of the morality between the Autobots and Decepticons.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#8267: Oct 23rd 2024 at 6:55:26 AM

[up] I don't really count that as an issue. The good guys doing reprensible stuff and the bad guys being correct isn't always an issue. Some of that was very good.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#8268: Oct 23rd 2024 at 8:04:40 AM

[up] The issue was that what the bad guys did was often so reprehensible that it canceled out any attempts to make them morally grey. Especially when the shady stuff done by the Autobots was pretty minor in comparison.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8269: Oct 23rd 2024 at 9:54:07 AM

Yeah IDW had a real issue of applying adaptational villainy to numerous heroic characters.

Starsaber was especially infamous but then you have cases like Prowl, Chromia, Elita, and especially Optimus' whole dictator characterization during the Optimus Prime series in the final leg of the IDW 1 continuity.

There was a real darker and edgier problem. The Cons were turned into torture porn happy sadists like the DJD and Overlord while the Autobots were made so morally compromised that it fuckdd up the whole story attempt at deconstructing Optimus' status as the heroic ideal in the franchise.

Since characters were constantly giving grief over every little thing by Optimus despite the fact they were guilty of their own crimes as well.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 23rd 2024 at 9:57:57 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#8270: Oct 23rd 2024 at 10:03:19 AM

Honestly the big issue with IDW Optimus is that he's really really whiny.

Like, they go way too hard into the reluctant damaged leader that got pushed into a horrible war he never wanted. IDW Optimus is just not fun. He's mopey.

You never really get the vibe that he's the guy that's inspiring people to keep on fighting and this uniting force.

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 23rd 2024 at 1:04:52 PM

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#8271: Oct 23rd 2024 at 10:31:34 AM

If anyone is interested in a review of the orignal comics, Linkara did a retrospective.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#8272: Oct 23rd 2024 at 10:47:00 AM

[up][up] Just like the War for Cybertron Netflix show which also had Optimus way too melancholy.

It's an opposite extreme to Bayformers Optimus. He's not a psycho murderer but he's ineffective which is bad in a different way.

Skybound does a better balance of Optimus being a capable warrior who makes the hard choices but also a kind caring leader with a strong morality.

"Strong enough to be gentle" as the famous quote goes.

Plus "Shockwave did everything." I love Shockwave but man did IDW grossly overuse him to the point of having him responsible for nearly everything in the verse including the 13 Primes.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 23rd 2024 at 10:48:02 AM

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#8273: Oct 23rd 2024 at 12:50:52 PM

Oh yeah, over-exposure of anything or over-doing "noble" traits is sucky

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#8274: Oct 23rd 2024 at 2:31:15 PM

Hasbro has had another round of layoffs.

Among them is John Warden

He'd only recently rejoined TF after a bit away and worked on designing titan class Scorponok, Predaking and Trypticon alongside Haslab Unicron

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#8275: Oct 23rd 2024 at 2:45:13 PM

[up]That's a shame, titan Scorponok is one of my favorite Transformers toys. Why would they get rid of someone who's clearly so good at his job?

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