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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#3926: Jan 3rd 2021 at 6:41:05 PM

Mainframe was a pioneer of early CGI. Some people will say that Reboot, Beast Wars, War Planets and Action Man haven't aged well graphically, but Mainframe knew the limitations of their equipment and worked around them. eg. Early on, they had a hard time animating walking, hence, Reboot's zip boards. One of the first all CG shows that wasn't made by Mainframe was Voltron: The Third Dimension. That came out in 1998, but I'd say that Reboot's first season, from 1994, looks and feels so much better.

Reboot got a big animation bump between Seasons 2 and 3, where it's clear that Mainframe upgraded its equipment. Likewise, the models and animation between Seasons 1 and 2 of Beast Wars saw a similar improvement.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jan 5th 2021 at 10:46:30 AM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#3927: Jan 3rd 2021 at 7:19:54 PM

Beast Wars also had the benefit of Mainframe helping to produce the show rather than just be the animation outsource. That meant they had the full script in front of them and the animators could work according to that rather than just the storyboards. Expectations were admittedly low, but that let them get away with some low texture environments that let them get some crazier visuals than you'd get in regular tv animation.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3928: Jan 3rd 2021 at 7:24:30 PM

Say what you will about early 90’s CG, it was still better than Voltron: The Third Dimension.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#3929: Jan 3rd 2021 at 7:31:27 PM

Since we're talking about Beast Wars anyway, here's a list of interviews with people who worked on the show.

Some might argue that the visuals have aged since the show came out, but good writing and acting don't age.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#3930: Jan 3rd 2021 at 8:20:17 PM

I never got into Reboot, but I still love Beast Wars, and its writing especially. It's my favorite Transformers franchise by far, of course.

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#3931: Jan 3rd 2021 at 9:01:56 PM

Beasts Wars first came out only a year before I was born so I didn't watch it when it first aired but years ago I finally watched it on the internet and I can see why it influenced the storytelling and lore of future instalments.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#3932: Jan 4th 2021 at 2:06:40 AM

Oh man it was such a shame Animated got cancelled before we could see it’s own version of the Beast Wars.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3933: Jan 4th 2021 at 5:02:47 AM

[up]"Trukk vs Munky" not happening is still a huge loss.

Thanks Hub!

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#3934: Jan 4th 2021 at 8:39:47 AM

One of my favourite parts about Animated was how they introduced Predacons as this new sub-race of Transformer, that are techno-organic. We start with just Blackarachnia, but then we got Waspinator and I believe she stated an intent to make more. I would have liked to see a more in-depth look at what exactly it means to be techno-organic. What are the pros and cons? I wanted to see how this this new breed of Transformer would develop further.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jan 4th 2021 at 9:59:11 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#3935: Jan 4th 2021 at 11:27:19 AM

[up][up] Maybe it's because gorillas aren't really monkeys? If no one cared about the distinction, then I bet Hasbro would go full hog on the Ascended Meme potential. tongue

Would it count if we got a two-pack of Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal and it was called "Truck & Monkey"?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#3936: Jan 4th 2021 at 11:32:07 AM

[up]The episode script was written. It was approved. Then Animated got cancelled.

That phrase will still never die though.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3937: Jan 5th 2021 at 9:36:46 AM

As much as I love Prime and never resented it for replacing Animated, I do hate that they did animated dirty like that.

Hell, they never even made an Omega Supreme toy for the series. We never got Spaceship Omega Supreme.sad

Moving on to something else, I'm wondering if Cybertron should have an atmosphere or not? The Transformers themselves don't actually need it. And the different canons have gone back and forth on it. G1 had a breathable atmosphere. The next series to bring humans to Cybertron (armada) didn't. But I think when they went back there in Energon, that changed.

Cybertron also had a breathable atmosphere, as did animated. Prime did not.

I'm not sure how the IDW comics before the reboot handled it though.

What do you guys think?

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#3938: Jan 5th 2021 at 9:43:04 AM

Well, a planet, or any other object in space, needs to be a certain mass before it can have an atmosphere. The moon has no atmosphere because it doesn't weight enough. Cybertron is probably heavy enough to have an atmmosphere most of the time, but I remember it being drawn really small in the G1 cartoon. Now, if the planet does have an atmosphere, then you can debate whether humans can breath it safely. A planet could easily have an atmosphere that a human couldn't breath. I think the Cybertron in Prime used to have a breathable atmosphere before the apocalypse, though I could be mistaken.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jan 5th 2021 at 10:48:21 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3939: Jan 5th 2021 at 3:04:35 PM

That's a good point. Not only about the size, but also that just because it's big enough to have an atmosphere, doesn't mean it's one breathable by humans.

Also, I mentioned how there's no Omega Supreme toy for his animated incarnation, but I just found out about the Planet X Genesis toy for the Transformers: War for Cybertron game.

Not only does this motherfucker have a (not totally accurate, but still appreciated) spaceship mode based on the mode he took in that game, but they even worked in his old G1 Battle Station mode, making him a triple changer.

Well played bitches. Well played.

So yeah. Not Animated Omega, but a satisfactory substitute.

Edit: Also, an extra question: does anyone know of any female decepticon headmasters (with or without a beast mode, but a beast mode is preferred).

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 5th 2021 at 4:37:22 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#3940: Jan 5th 2021 at 6:22:22 PM

Just finished watching Earthrise. Overall it felt like an improvement over last season, including the voice acting.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#3941: Jan 5th 2021 at 8:12:36 PM

does anyone know of any female decepticon headmasters (with or without a beast mode, but a beast mode is preferred).

To my knowledge, there have never been any female decepticon headmasters with beast modes. Sorry.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3942: Jan 5th 2021 at 9:57:19 PM

Thought so.

Maybe one day huh?

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DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#3943: Jan 5th 2021 at 10:01:08 PM

Hopefully[up]

Also, since 10th Anniversary for Prime gave us the Jet Vehicon/Breakdown box, I hope they can make a redeco version with the silver Jet Vehicon and CYLAS

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3944: Jan 7th 2021 at 10:54:47 AM

Is beast wars streaming anywhere currently?

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#3946: Jan 7th 2021 at 12:22:16 PM

Beast Wars (in fact, all of the TF shows aside from Rescue Bots Academy, the Netflix show, the Combiner Wars Trilogy, and the Japanese shows) is on Tubi, for free even (cue John Lithgow reaction).

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3948: Jan 8th 2021 at 11:42:23 AM

Read the transformers / Star Trek crossover (how did I not know about that one). Fun story showing the best of all sides.

I did find it odd that Arcee stayed in Robot mode the entire time (especially when pretty much everyone else transformed too). I wonder if they plan on doing a TNG sequel one day.

Also, been learning about the Titan Masters as well....and honestly wondering how they're different from the Headmasters. I guess because they're also connected to the Titans.

And now I'm trying to figure out if the Omega Sentinels count as Titans (though probably not. they're big enough to be small bases, but not entire cities....maybe). Like a military fort could probably also count as a city under the right circumstances so....

....and shit. Not I'm wondering if City Speakers can communicate with Omega Sentinels as well. Too much stuff on my mind.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 8th 2021 at 1:45:52 PM

One Strip! One Strip!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#3949: Jan 8th 2021 at 3:58:26 PM

So done with earthrise.

So whose expected to appear in kingdom ? Will we finally see the two classic megatrons (beasts era) and G1 esqe fighting together ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#3950: Jan 8th 2021 at 4:02:02 PM

[up]

If I were to make a guess all the guys who're appearing in this poster.

I assume the toy-line will also give some clues as well.

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