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Sep 21st 2019 at 1:08:08 AM

When it comes to really diving in to Transformers lore, The Aligned Universe and Prime in particular do just a fantastic job. The Art Shift using Limited Animation images to describe all of the backstory and history gives it an epic feel. Some of the material in Transformers: Fall of Cybertron is similar, like Optimus finding Metroplex and especially when Cliffjumper is in the library and finds records of Earth and the Solar System, left unexplained but the audience knows its significance.

Unicron as Earth was a very risky idea, but in the show I think it paid off by personifying Unicrons threat in a more personal way, while also creating a fundamental link between Cybertron and Earth. He comes across more as an Eldritch Abomination meets Genius Loci, where the very ground you stand on is his sphere of influence. It might be campy fun, but actually seeing a planet-bot (or two) transforming into a robot as a final threat is just a headache both in scale and in relatability. The show also makes him the ultimate threat, just waking up would spell doom for the Earth, and Unicron possessed Megatron in Predacons Rising curb stomps everyone so handily because there is no such thing as a protracted fight with a god.

The Last Knight's main problem was that Unicrons' reveal is not given a sense of epic grandeur, the audience sees vaguely Unicron-esque horns early on and Optimus learns directly from Quintessa that Earth is Unicron, which destroys any sort of build up that Hopkins character was leading to. The idea that the villains are trying to kill Unicron to restore Cybertron is actually kind of a cool reversal, as they now have to protect Unicron to save the Earth.

Edited by KJMackley on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:08:26 AM

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 21st 2019 at 1:16:58 AM

The flashback shot to Optimus' origin remains one of the most best parts of the show especially the fantastic narration by Jeffry Combs.

I'm reminded of how Optmis & Megatron's last fight in Last Knight ended with Megs going "We were brothers once" & Optimus responds "Once". Those two lines are pretty much the most you get about the history behind Optimus & Megatron's relationship, barely anything even after 5 movies.

While Prime gave us everything more in only 3 minutes.

The Aligned Continuity is pretty much when they started taking the lore ultra seriously. I mean like compared to the Unicron Trilogy, Megatron now has a motivation for his actions beyond just wanting to conquer the universe which makes him either a pretty tragic character or even worse as a person depending on how you look at it.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:22:58 AM

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chasemaddigan Playing the world's smallest violin.
Playing the world's smallest violin.
Sep 21st 2019 at 7:57:21 AM

I know some early tie-in material for the first movie took Optimus calling Megatron "brother" literally, and said that their divide happened when Megatron killed their father.

For what it's worth, the movies try to hint at some deeper motivations for Megatron. Dark of the Moon showed that he spent his time between movies trying to provide for his "hatchlings" and he seemed legitimately relieved when he saw Cybertron entering Earth's orbit. It's not much, but it does suggest that Megatron's biggest concern was trying to rebuild what he lost in the war. It probably would've also been foreshadowing for the original ending, where he helps Optimus defeat Sentinel and leaves with the remaining Decepticons to help repair Cybertron.

But then we got the actual ending where Optimus just ripped his head clean off when he offered his truce. Because Optimus Prime.

Sep 21st 2019 at 1:33:10 PM

Megatron wasn't offering a truce so much as announcing his plans on regaining power.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:37:02 AM

Sep 21st 2019 at 3:33:00 PM

Why am I liking Ryan Andes as Shockwave so much? Is it perhaps his smooth, deep voice? Or something else besides the voice, too? I my think he's my #2 VA for Shockwave (Corey Burton's the #1 here in my opinion, too).

I wonder what's your opinion about Ryan Andes as Shockwave?

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BrightLight Silent Killer from The Southern Water Tribe
Silent Killer
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:03:42 PM

The Aligned Continuity is pretty much when they started taking the lore ultra seriously.

I beg to differ.

I'd say that Beast Wars (in regards to television/movies) is when the writers started taking the lore seriously.

And from what I've seen of the original G1 comics, they were already taking their lore seriously there.

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:11:01 PM

[up] Okay BW is when they started taking things more seriously.

Alinged is when they decided to implement a more clearer franchise-wide mythology such as through the clarification of the 13 Primes, the war starting over the overthrowing of a caste system, & establishing humble origins for Megatron & Optimus that makes their rise to glory all the more grand.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:34:16 PM

Does anyone want to see Mae Catt's review of the Transformers: Cyberverse episode "Bring Me the Spark of Optimus Prime"?note 

YouTuber UltraPrimal also reviewed this one, too:

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Sep 21st 2019 at 4:38:00 PM

[up][up]So, it's when they became consistent with the lore?

Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:38:17 AM

BrightLight Silent Killer from The Southern Water Tribe
Silent Killer
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:29:01 PM

[up] I'd say Aligned is when the writers pick and chose the best bits of each continuity. Not saying that's a good thing, though.

Alinged is when they decided to implement a more clearer franchise-wide mythology such as through the clarification of the 13 Primes, the war starting over the overthrowing of a caste system, & establishing humble origins for Megatron & Optimus that makes their rise to glory all the more grand.

If that's the restrictive limitations that Hasbro is gonna implement for future incarnations of the brand, that's really gonna put a dent in creativity and originality.

Edited by BrightLight on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:30:52 AM

Sep 21st 2019 at 5:31:53 PM

[up]Hasbro didn't have control on the works of the Aligned Universe. Also, nobody wanted to follow The Covenant of Primus, the plans for the Aligned Universe, in the first place anyway, so... I don't know what to say about that...

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:33:00 PM

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:36:06 PM

They actually did succeed in their goals.

Sure the way the Aligned did it was too restrictive but the stories they implemented would be used by future stories, each in their own ways.

For instance the mythology of the 13 Primes which is increasingly expanded upon such as Maccadam in Cyberverse or Megatron & Optimus's origins as a miner/gladiator turned revolutonary & librarion turned hero respectivly have now become the standard origins for the characters.

It now gives future writers starting points to branch off in interesting ways they see fit.

[up] Ths problem was taking shows not originally intended to apart of the Aligned verse & sorta forcing them. Cyberverse is a more successful implementation of the idea as the show is an in-house production made from the ground up to have a tighter continuity & lore.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:40:11 AM

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Sep 21st 2019 at 5:36:52 PM

Not just that, but all the backstory and plot points at least feel like it was planned ahead of time and woven into the story and characters long before it was explained. Prior to this, G1 especially but also the movies, it felt like they were adding to the backstory with each installment. A new character, a new superweapon, a new technology they can utilize, etc. Even in Beast Wars the whole explanation of Rampage's mutant immortal spark and the Axalon's true purpose seems like it was made up in the character bio. Even with Animated it felt like a lot of mythology gags for its own sake rather than something they are going to follow up on.

With Prime they started taking a more Star Wars approach to World Building, referencing events in passing, commenting on character relationships, locking down consistent events. So we get things like Optimus regretting Megatron's apparent death in Darkness Rising because he always hoped he could redeem him, and then much later we get their backstory with Megatron as a Fallen Hero. Likewise, ancient Cybertronian relics were regularly found before the second season ramped it into the Myth Arc.

BrightLight Silent Killer from The Southern Water Tribe
Silent Killer
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:37:34 PM

[up][up][up] If that's the case, then that comes as a relief.

Edited by BrightLight on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:37:50 AM

BrightLight Silent Killer from The Southern Water Tribe
Silent Killer
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:40:47 PM

Maccadam in Cyberverse

There was Maccadam in Animated too.

Even with Animated it felt like a lot of mythology gags for its own sake rather than something they are going to follow up on.

Animated had a lot of mythology gags, but it also had its own focused and original constructed continuity.

Aligned just went in all different directions.

Edited by BrightLight on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:46:15 AM

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:41:00 PM

[up] Well don't be relived cause they are still doing it, just in a different way.

Also I don't recall anything about Maccadam in Animated so it was most likly just another minor refrence. Cyberverse is when Maccadam himself appears onscreen for the first time ever & his importance is made immediately clear.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:44:29 AM

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:41:14 PM

All I want on Transformers: Cyberverse (so far) in a potential third season is:

  1. Blackarachnia (she was in a Transformers: Cyberverse Tiny Turbo Changers toy)
  2. Maccadam as Alchemist Prime
  3. The Thirteen appearing personally and having an important role
  4. Jazz
  5. Sentinel Prime as his Animated jerk
  6. More unexpected characters for both sides
And that's it (so far).

[up][up][up]Only Maccadam's Old Oil House appeared in Animated. Not the bot in person. It also exists in the Unicron Trilogy, according to TFWiki.net.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Sep 21st 2019 at 3:46:13 PM

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BrightLight Silent Killer from The Southern Water Tribe
Silent Killer
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:44:15 PM

Cyberverse is when Maccadam himself appears onscreen for the first time ever.

Oh, that part is my mistake. I thought you were referring to the place (which has been seen in nearly every continuity. But instead you were referring to someone.

Sep 21st 2019 at 5:53:38 PM

Animated had an issue with any given episode going "Oh hey! Soundwave" "Now it's Constructicons" "Wreckgar dares to be stupid" without actually giving them a place in the overall story. In contrast with Prime, while the Beast Hunters arc didn't go anywhere significant it at least was a complete story arc with Predaking as a fully realized character (in fact one of the best developed characters in the show).

Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:54:50 PM

Aligned continuity's "lets pick a backstory and stick with it" turned out to be kind of a wet fart when they immediately began ignoring bits of its. Namely it's nigh impossible to reconcile the events of Fall of Cybertron with Prime for example. Then there's stuff like the terribad Aligned novels.

In contrast with Prime, while the Beast Hunters arc didn't go anywhere significant it at least was a complete story arc with Predaking as a fully realized character (in fact one of the best developed characters in the show).

YMMV on that. Predaking's a plot device for most of the season. When he finally becomes a character, he gets little to do before before just becoming obsessed on avenging his fallen kin (a thing that happens the same episode where he finally transforms). Then Megatron swiftly turns on him and he's quite literally ejected from the plot.

Predaking gets to have depth in the movie, that much I'll give.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:57:43 AM

Sep 21st 2019 at 5:58:34 PM

[up]Didn't I tell you nobody wanted to follow The Covenant of Primus, the plans for the Aligned Universe, anyway?

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 21st 2019 at 6:03:30 PM

It's why Cyberverse is a more successful execution of the idea. By not forcing in unrelated shows into the continuity. Made from the start to be apart of something.

[up][up] Huh were the novels bad?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2019 at 6:04:25 AM

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Sep 21st 2019 at 6:22:03 PM

Frankly, most fandoms have had to deal with Broad Strokes continuity for their favorite franchise. Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. At least this was an attempt to lock down something beyond the G1 basics. War for Cybertron and Prime affirmed the same backstory and purpose of the Matrix of Leadership, and both give it the respect it deserves.

All the hints with Predaking that It Can Think is what prevented that season from completely imploding on itself. It was fascinating too seeing even Megatron being afraid of a minion, with his passion and rage contributing to the best action sequence of the entire series, Predaking vs. Wheeljack and Ultra Magnus.

Sep 21st 2019 at 6:28:26 PM

Maccadam I think technically first appeared in the comics, but Cyberverse is his first screen appearance and semi-important role.

I love the big guy and his inability to differentiate between now and later.

He's probably my second favorite Prime behind Solus (who I want to see be fully voiced).

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Cuteness lover
Sep 21st 2019 at 6:37:31 PM

I've been thinking about an idea for a Transformers series of my own.

The Autobots include Optimus (not Prime yet), Ironhide, Arcee, Red Alert (female), and Hot Rod. Jetfire and Windblade also join later.

The Decepticons include Megatron, Starscream, Shockwave, Soundwave, Blitzwing, and Moonracer.

The human ally is a college student named Alicia Lin who provides computer support for the Autobots and operates the ground bridge when Red Alert is on field duty. She is paired with Hot Rod, who she nicknames Hot Shot.

Both sides arrive on Earth in order to uncover the secret messages left by Primus, which is rumored to grant the power of a Prime to whoever awakens him. The message is accidentally unscrambled by Alicia, so she's kind of a Living MacGuffin of the series.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Sep 21st 2019 at 6:38:18 AM

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